The Father's Ultimate Intention 2

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Noblemen

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God's intended2

Because believers have been denied the apostle Paul's final gospel which alone spells out what God's intention is for them and what is His intention in the world.
People who edit and print new translations of the Bible are the most ignorant of God's original intention. They have cut out of their new translations most of the facts that have to do with the father's original intention.
They have cut out "in Christ" statements.
They have cut out the word "perfect" where Paul refers to the believer who has Christ in him as being perfect to God in spirit. These omissions are all aimed at the plan of God that calls for His offspring to have His nature in them. It is for this reason that we like to stick to the old King James version of the Scriptures.
We feel like it has been less messed with by modern religion and presents less of its translators agenda.
In the plan of God, it is never Gods intention just to save sinners for the Baptist, or Methodist, or Catholic or Penecostal doctrines.
It is His intention to save them for His House and family in heaven. By the time religious groups spell out what is necessary to be one of them in fellowship or join their church, you will need a new Bible just to understand what they are doing. Of course, what the father is doing gets lost in all this.
His eternal intention to have His own family is lost to people building their own doctrines and their own buildings.
But the worst part of all this is what is happening to the hungry believer wanting to know God in a way that the Holy Spirit is teaching him. He is denied Gods intention for his life trying to be a good Baptist, or Penecostal, or what not.
Gods intention for the human life is clearly spelled out in Paul's epistles. When mankind starts changing anything that Paul teaches, especially the teaching he received directly from Christ by revelation, you will have what we have now in religion.
You now have everybody believing their own thing, ignoring the Christ who gave Paul the final gospel. The fact is that modern religion cannot operate according to the one man, Paul, who said "follow me as I follow Christ." Their entire structure is contrary to the final Gospel. They would have to start all over, and only God, their father, could work this out.
Most do not have the ability to work this out, so God is not in the business of changing denominations, He is in the business of bringing offspring that He has already birthed to the fullness of the Christ who lives in them.
His desire is for his own children, not the structures of man made religion.
 

beta

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I have always believed that God the Father is in the business of building His own Family starting with His own begotten Son and now begetting a Bride for Him...who will after their Wedding produce Offspring through and by others resurrected and begotten later from the second resurrection.
There is not a lost or ultimate plan of God...we have always been able to know it IF we carefully listen to Him.
But I agree about NEW translations which I don't entertain, that they lose much of the original in TRYING to 'clarify scripture according to the modern man. Modern christianity is way OFF the mark and need to start from scratch ....with the TRUE original Jesus Lord of the Sabbath. All this belief in the sunday resurrection introduced by the ROMAN church has skewed their understanding and lost them Truth...costing them eternal life.
 
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The reason you discount modern translations is because you are misinterpreting the KJV.
 

Noblemen

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I have always believed that God the Father is in the business of building His own Family starting with His own begotten Son and now begetting a Bride for Him...who will after their Wedding produce Offspring through and by others resurrected and begotten later from the second resurrection.
There is not a lost or ultimate plan of God...we have always been able to know it IF we carefully listen to Him.
But I agree about NEW translations which I don't entertain, that they lose much of the original in TRYING to 'clarify scripture according to the modern man. Modern christianity is way OFF the mark and need to start from scratch ....with the TRUE original Jesus Lord of the Sabbath. All this belief in the sunday resurrection introduced by the ROMAN church has skewed their understanding and lost them Truth...costing them eternal life.
Now beta I don't know if God is going to send any of His children to hell.
Misdirected as some may be their still His.
 

beta

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Now beta I don't know if God is going to send any of His children to hell.
Misdirected as some may be their still His.
All of those 'MISdirected children will be given a chance to learn the Truth and convert to it....but what if they reject CORRection ? they will become 'ashes under the feet of the Saints Mal 4v3.
At present MANY are on the road to destruction but will receive correction when Christ returns Rev 19 IF IF they accept then well and good....if not, at Judgement time they will hear the dreaded words :'depart from me I never knew you.......
God/Christ is not sentimental or mushy about persistent disobedience after every chance will have been given...so let us hope people start to take note soon !not much evidence of that yet and time is getting short !
 

Noblemen

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All of those 'MISdirected children will be given a chance to learn the Truth and convert to it....but what if they reject CORRection ? they will become 'ashes under the feet of the Saints Mal 4v3.
At present MANY are on the road to destruction but will receive correction when Christ returns Rev 19 IF IF they accept then well and good....if not, at Judgement time they will hear the dreaded words :'depart from me I never knew you.......
God/Christ is not sentimental or mushy about persistent disobedience after every chance will have been given...so let us hope people start to take note soon !not much evidence of that yet and time is getting short !
Now beta you be nice haha, I'm teasing.
I don't see that at all, by the way dont quote OT scriptures that have nothing to do with us the born again :))
 

beta

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Now beta you be nice haha, I'm teasing.
I don't see that at all, by the way dont quote OT scriptures that have nothing to do with us the born again :))
Nothing to do with the 'born again ? I have a suspicion you believe in OSAS , is that right ?
WHO is 'born again already ? nobody...we are NOW Begotten only while still in the flesh here on earth.
I believe there is huge misunderstanding Jesus when He said 'you must be born again....what is flesh IS flesh and what is spirit IS spirit. At present we are 'in transition...in the process of leaving this body but not yet arrived at the other side....so it is not correct to say we are 'born again. We are begotten, a New Creation IN THE MAKING...like a human Baby before birth.

And even 'begotten' does not apply to every person who claims they are born again....they are just speaking words they have read or heard. If we follow the 'human re-production process from the beginning we can learn much regarding the spiritual birth...there are similarities difficult to speak about and are therefore overlooked.
Anyway...not everybody will be begotten (born again) when the end comes and God will have to do something with them since they can not enter the Kingdom and no Humans will remain on earth. I belive God has an alternative to the lake of fire which is only for the real wicked.
 

miknik5

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God's intended2

Because believers have been denied the apostle Paul's final gospel which alone spells out what God's intention is for them and what is His intention in the world.
People who edit and print new translations of the Bible are the most ignorant of God's original intention. They have cut out of their new translations most of the facts that have to do with the father's original intention.
They have cut out "in Christ" statements.
They have cut out the word "perfect" where Paul refers to the believer who has Christ in him as being perfect to God in spirit. These omissions are all aimed at the plan of God that calls for His offspring to have His nature in them. It is for this reason that we like to stick to the old King James version of the Scriptures.
We feel like it has been less messed with by modern religion and presents less of its translators agenda.
In the plan of God, it is never Gods intention just to save sinners for the Baptist, or Methodist, or Catholic or Penecostal doctrines.
It is His intention to save them for His House and family in heaven. By the time religious groups spell out what is necessary to be one of them in fellowship or join their church, you will need a new Bible just to understand what they are doing. Of course, what the father is doing gets lost in all this.
His eternal intention to have His own family is lost to people building their own doctrines and their own buildings.
But the worst part of all this is what is happening to the hungry believer wanting to know God in a way that the Holy Spirit is teaching him. He is denied Gods intention for his life trying to be a good Baptist, or Penecostal, or what not.
Gods intention for the human life is clearly spelled out in Paul's epistles. When mankind starts changing anything that Paul teaches, especially the teaching he received directly from Christ by revelation, you will have what we have now in religion.
You now have everybody believing their own thing, ignoring the Christ who gave Paul the final gospel. The fact is that modern religion cannot operate according to the one man, Paul, who said "follow me as I follow Christ." Their entire structure is contrary to the final Gospel. They would have to start all over, and only God, their father, could work this out.
Most do not have the ability to work this out, so God is not in the business of changing denominations, He is in the business of bringing offspring that He has already birthed to the fullness of the Christ who lives in them.
His desire is for his own children, not the structures of man made religion.
GOD’s intention/will is clearly stated in john 6
GOD’s business/work is clearly stated in John 6 also
 

miknik5

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Nothing to do with the 'born again ? I have a suspicion you believe in OSAS , is that right ?
WHO is 'born again already ? nobody...we are NOW Begotten only while still in the flesh here on earth.
I believe there is huge misunderstanding Jesus when He said 'you must be born again....what is flesh IS flesh and what is spirit IS spirit. At present we are 'in transition...in the process of leaving this body but not yet arrived at the other side....so it is not correct to say we are 'born again. We are begotten, a New Creation IN THE MAKING...like a human Baby before birth.

And even 'begotten' does not apply to every person who claims they are born again....they are just speaking words they have read or heard. If we follow the 'human re-production process from the beginning we can learn much regarding the spiritual birth...there are similarities difficult to speak about and are therefore overlooked.
Anyway...not everybody will be begotten (born again) when the end comes and God will have to do something with them since they can not enter the Kingdom and no Humans will remain on earth. I belive God has an alternative to the lake of fire which is only for the real wicked.
Born again has happened for those who have believed.
Thr mystery which Paul discusses is The Church...His Body...Christ in us who is our Hope

not it all believe
Therefore not all are washed and justified in the sight of GOD

The process which you are referring to is called sanctification
the call to be holy as HE is holy

not all are following this call because not all are born of and lead of HIS SPIRIT
 
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Nothing to do with the 'born again ? I have a suspicion you believe in OSAS , is that right ?
WHO is 'born again already ? nobody...we are NOW Begotten only while still in the flesh here on earth.
I believe there is huge misunderstanding Jesus when He said 'you must be born again....what is flesh IS flesh and what is spirit IS spirit. At present we are 'in transition...in the process of leaving this body but not yet arrived at the other side....so it is not correct to say we are 'born again. We are begotten, a New Creation IN THE MAKING...like a human Baby before birth.

And even 'begotten' does not apply to every person who claims they are born again....they are just speaking words they have read or heard. If we follow the 'human re-production process from the beginning we can learn much regarding the spiritual birth...there are similarities difficult to speak about and are therefore overlooked.
Anyway...not everybody will be begotten (born again) when the end comes and God will have to do something with them since they can not enter the Kingdom and no Humans will remain on earth. I belive God has an alternative to the lake of fire which is only for the real wicked.

Whoever has eternal life is born again. If a person is not born again, they are still dead in their sin, and need saved,

You need to get away from your old english bible. And get with the gospel of Christ.
 

miknik5

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All of those 'MISdirected children will be given a chance to learn the Truth and convert to it....but what if they reject CORRection ? they will become 'ashes under the feet of the Saints Mal 4v3.
At present MANY are on the road to destruction but will receive correction when Christ returns Rev 19 IF IF they accept then well and good....if not, at Judgement time they will hear the dreaded words :'depart from me I never knew you.......
God/Christ is not sentimental or mushy about persistent disobedience after every chance will have been given...so let us hope people start to take note soon !not much evidence of that yet and time is getting short !
Can you please show in revelation 19 what verse you are referring to that seems to say that those MISdirected (are these the same as unbelievers) will be given a chance to hear the TRUTH/GOSPEL?
 

Noblemen

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Can you please show in revelation 19 what verse you are referring to that seems to say that those MISdirected (are these the same as unbelievers) will be given a chance to hear the TRUTH/GOSPEL?
I think you are talking to Miss beta, me, I was just referring to her remarks.
But my statement about misdirected children IMO are Christians that continuously seem to live in some sort of sin.
 
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I think you are talking to Miss beta, me, I was just referring to her remarks.
But my statement about misdirected children IMO are Christians that continuously seem to live in some sort of sin.
I think the Bible says a child of God can not live in sin, So they would not be misdirected. They would be fake (christians)


Now we all sin. So all of us (according to the law) would be condemned where we stand.
 
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We are born again by and through the incorruptible seed of God ‘s living abiding word. When we received past tense) our new spirit that will never die and new heart as a resurrected soul we have already passed from death to new eternal life. We walk by faith in respect to living promises as a hope that surpasses all human hope. No one has received the end of the propmise .Just the confidence he will finish all the work required.
We can take that confidence not founded on us to the bank.


We are born again by and through the incorruptible seed of God ‘s living abiding word. When we received past tense) our new spirit that will never die and new heart as a resurrected soul we have already passed from death to new eternal life. We walk by faith in respect to living promises as a hope that surpasses all human hope. No one has received the end of the promise .Just the confidence he will finish all the work required.

If he has begun the good work of salvation in us he will finish it to the end.And not like those in Hebrews six who crucify him over and over every time they deny Christ in unbelief (no faith) as a works righteousness of there own (self-righteousness. )Christ does all the work in us, not by or of us.... or he performs none.

No limbo in between .We are either new creatures once saved always saved or we were never saved to begin with.

Can't make the grace of Christ without effect and hope to have a Savior in the end of the matter .
 

ComeLordJesus

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God's intended2

Because believers have been denied the apostle Paul's final gospel which alone spells out what God's intention is for them and what is His intention in the world.
People who edit and print new translations of the Bible are the most ignorant of God's original intention. They have cut out of their new translations most of the facts that have to do with the father's original intention.
They have cut out "in Christ" statements.
They have cut out the word "perfect" where Paul refers to the believer who has Christ in him as being perfect to God in spirit. These omissions are all aimed at the plan of God that calls for His offspring to have His nature in them. It is for this reason that we like to stick to the old King James version of the Scriptures.
We feel like it has been less messed with by modern religion and presents less of its translators agenda.
In the plan of God, it is never Gods intention just to save sinners for the Baptist, or Methodist, or Catholic or Penecostal doctrines.
It is His intention to save them for His House and family in heaven. By the time religious groups spell out what is necessary to be one of them in fellowship or join their church, you will need a new Bible just to understand what they are doing. Of course, what the father is doing gets lost in all this.
His eternal intention to have His own family is lost to people building their own doctrines and their own buildings.
But the worst part of all this is what is happening to the hungry believer wanting to know God in a way that the Holy Spirit is teaching him. He is denied Gods intention for his life trying to be a good Baptist, or Penecostal, or what not.
Gods intention for the human life is clearly spelled out in Paul's epistles. When mankind starts changing anything that Paul teaches, especially the teaching he received directly from Christ by revelation, you will have what we have now in religion.
You now have everybody believing their own thing, ignoring the Christ who gave Paul the final gospel. The fact is that modern religion cannot operate according to the one man, Paul, who said "follow me as I follow Christ." Their entire structure is contrary to the final Gospel. They would have to start all over, and only God, their father, could work this out.
Most do not have the ability to work this out, so God is not in the business of changing denominations, He is in the business of bringing offspring that He has already birthed to the fullness of the Christ who lives in them.
His desire is for his own children, not the structures of man made religion.
Because believers have been denied the apostle Paul's final gospel


What does this mean?
 

Noblemen

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Nothing to do with the 'born again ? I have a suspicion you believe in OSAS , is that right ?
WHO is 'born again already ? nobody...we are NOW Begotten only while still in the flesh here on earth.
I believe there is huge misunderstanding Jesus when He said 'you must be born again....what is flesh IS flesh and what is spirit IS spirit. At present we are 'in transition...in the process of leaving this body but not yet arrived at the other side....so it is not correct to say we are 'born again. We are begotten, a New Creation IN THE MAKING...like a human Baby before birth.

And even 'begotten' does not apply to every person who claims they are born again....they are just speaking words they have read or heard. If we follow the 'human re-production process from the beginning we can learn much regarding the spiritual birth...there are similarities difficult to speak about and are therefore overlooked.
Anyway...not everybody will be begotten (born again) when the end comes and God will have to do something with them since they can not enter the Kingdom and no Humans will remain on earth. I belive God has an alternative to the lake of fire which is only for the real wicked.
Your raising my curiosity, where in the world did you read that.
 
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Nothing to do with the 'born again ? I have a suspicion you believe in OSAS , is that right ?
WHO is 'born again already ? nobody...we are NOW Begotten only while still in the flesh here on earth.
I believe there is huge misunderstanding Jesus when He said 'you must be born again....what is flesh IS flesh and what is spirit IS spirit. At present we are 'in transition...in the process of leaving this body but not yet arrived at the other side....so it is not correct to say we are 'born again. We are begotten, a New Creation IN THE MAKING...like a human Baby before birth.

And even 'begotten' does not apply to every person who claims they are born again....they are just speaking words they have read or heard. If we follow the 'human re-production process from the beginning we can learn much regarding the spiritual birth...there are similarities difficult to speak about and are therefore overlooked.
Anyway...not everybody will be begotten (born again) when the end comes and God will have to do something with them since they can not enter the Kingdom and no Humans will remain on earth. I belive God has an alternative to the lake of fire which is only for the real wicked.
Still in the flesh here on earth in their bodies of death awaiting the confidence they will receive a new body?

All new creatures that are born again are given a new spirit, new heart and born again soul by the incorruptible seed of God's living word that works in us to both will an do His good pleasure .. But as far a a body no one knows what they will be like other than they will not age as in corruption decaying leading to death .All those born again die not receiving the end of the faith of Christ that works in them .

The question is seeing no man can come unless the father draws them and the father informs us he will in no wise cast them out . What kind of confidence are you holding on to? Self confidence? Like Once Dead in trespasses and sin Always Dead in trespasses and sin. ODAD as that which apposes OSAS.

Which master as your unseen confidence will you serve seeing no man can serve two?

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
 

miknik5

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I get it from scripture. Have you a particular question ?
Only usually means just one alone

If we were begotten then there would be no need to be born again nor world there be a need for our sanctification as we would have been sanctified from the beginning IF we came forth from GOD


But we didn't

The only begotten of THE FATHER is JESUS who came forth from THE FATHER