The Adamic Sin Nature

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Noblemen

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Adamic sin nature

One of the great problems of the human race is that it has never admitted that humans born into the world have an Adamic sin nature. They would like to think that the environment, the parents, the breaks one gets in life and the goodness of the individual is what determines the outcome of the life.

Along with this idea, humans that are involved in the sciences of life Like psychology, psychiatry, medicine, behavior studies, theology and so forth, all have drawn conclusions of how humans exist without any reference to the Scriptures.
In fact, after many years of my study of human beings, I have come to the conclusion that the Apostle Paul knew more about humans and what makes up a human being than anyone or anything I have studied from modern science.

His brief epistles are a testimony to this. While many with great scientific knowledge might have more extensive study in certain areas, they have not learned the basic facts of humanity that Christ gave to Paul.
The most basic fact is that all humans are born with a sin nature and that nature will motivate them all the days of their life until they are born again.

Humans are involved with a distinctive genetic code. While no two humans created by God are the same, all do have one similarity, they have a sin nature. There are several places in the Scriptures that detail what is in the sin nature. One of the best is in Romans 1:28–32. Verse 28 says that all humanity who hear the gospel and do not believe are turned over to a reprobate mind. Versus 29–31 list some of the things that are in the sin nature.

This listing is the spiritual DNA of the unconverted and can be found in every human who has not excepted Christ as his life. Modern science and modern religion work diligently to correct humans by dealing with each deviant thing in the sin nature, but all to no avail.
These things are the fruit of an Adamic nature and until Adam is done away with, there is no change. Yet multitudes of humans work hard within themselves to not do these things.

Some even appear to have conquered their sin nature but all this is vain. The initial problem still exists, their original sin nature is still there. The fact is God will not allow anyone to do anything within themselves to free themselves of the Adamic sin nature because to do so would annul the crucifixion of Christ on the cross.
There were some very religious people in Paul's day who thought that being circumcised would make them more godly, Paul rebuked them on the premise that humans can do nothing within themselves to be more godly, Galatians 6:15.

The sin nature was adequately dealt with at the cross and the cross is the only way to a new life in Christ.
The one inescapable fact is that no human can escape the burden and the results of the Adamic nature and no human can get free of the sin nature without being born again. Jesus said to Nicodemus, "You must be born again" to see or to enter the things of God.
 
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kaylagrl

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Is this another "sinless Christian" thread? :rolleyes:
 

jimd

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Original quote by Nobleman:"The most basic fact is that all humans are born with a sin nature and that nature will motivate them all the days of their life until they are born again."
It should be understood, this sin nature (which is not a sin itself) remains in us all the days of our life but through faith the sin nature is overpowered. In other words, as long as we have a flesh and blood body it is going to entice us to sin but if, or I should say when we do, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ.
 

RLMM

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It might be more properly referred to as "the Adamic nature."

Being "born again" (and all the variations of that expression considered), does not eliminate the Adamic nature nor the acts of sins committed, as much as giving a sign of forgiveness and commitment to do better- an act of repentance. Considered the first in a three step process to the kingdom.

"I'm a sinner... but I've been forgiven."
 
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When we become born again we are only on probation in this life:

For if you live by its dictates, you will die. But if through the power of the Spirit you put to death the deeds of your sinful nature, you will live.
Romans 8:13 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.13.NLT
 
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pro·ba·tion
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nounLAW
the release of an offender from detention, subject to a period of good behavior under supervision.
"I went to court and was put on probation
 

Nehemiah6

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When we become born again we are only on probation in this life
I don't believe you will find this in the New Testament, since it would be a denial of the finished work of Christ.
 
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I don't believe you will find this in the New Testament, since it would be a denial of the finished work of Christ.
You will find it in the Scripture verse which you deleted and threw into the trash from my comment.
 

BillG

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When we become born again we are only on probation in this life:

For if you live by its dictates, you will die. But if through the power of the Spirit you put to death the deeds of your sinful nature, you will live.
Romans 8:13 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.13.NLT
Only on probation?

That means that you have been released but do wrong again you are banged up.

God does not put believers on probation.

On account of Jesus we have been declared NOT GUILTY.

As a result of the Jesus we have been justified and declared righteous before God.

Romans 5:1-2


1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.


Romans 3:21-24
God's Righteousness Through Faith
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

If you honestly feel that you are on probation then you are walking around waiting for the time when God says "back to prison, you deserve it"

If that's the case the focus is on us and not what Jesus has done for us.

If that's the case then we negate what Jesus said.

John 6:39-40
39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Then we negate

Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
 
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Only on probation?

That means that you have been released but do wrong again you are banged up.

God does not put believers on probation.

On account of Jesus we have been declared NOT GUILTY.

As a result of the Jesus we have been justified and declared righteous before God.

Romans 5:1-2


1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.


Romans 3:21-24
God's Righteousness Through Faith
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

If you honestly feel that you are on probation then you are walking around waiting for the time when God says "back to prison, you deserve it"

If that's the case the focus is on us and not what Jesus has done for us.

If that's the case then we negate what Jesus said.

John 6:39-40
39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Then we negate

Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Thanks for not cutting out the verse from my comment. But could you stop ignoring it and address it. I really have no use for your personal philosophy.
 

preacher4truth

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And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be placed on probation, you and your household.” :D
 

BillG

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Thanks for not cutting out the verse from my comment. But could you stop ignoring it and address it. I really have no use for your personal philosophy.
Neither me for your personal philosophy either. But at least I addressed it.
 
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And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be placed on probation, you and your household.” :D
That's what happens when you ignore all the Bible. You ignored the verse I quoted. We are saved but not yet.
 

BillG

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And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be placed on probation, you and your household.” :D
Now I know that you and I have had our issues.
There are things that I will stand up against with a passion.

And in this instance I'm with you.

To state that a beliver is on probation denies God, denies what Jesus has done and makes what he has done worthless.

Therefore God is a liar.

It causes new borns in Jesus to stumble, it causes the week in Jesus to stumble. It detracts from salvation through faith.

That I will always stand against.

Believe in Jesus, confess it then you shall be saved.
 
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Now I know that you and I have had our issues.
There are things that I will stand up against with a passion.

And in this instance I'm with you.

To state that a beliver is on probation denies God, denies what Jesus has done and makes what he has done worthless.

Therefore God is a liar.

It causes new borns in Jesus to stumble, it causes the week in Jesus to stumble. It detracts from salvation through faith.

That I will always stand against.

Believe in Jesus, confess it then you shall be saved.
You are ignoring this:

Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to do what your sinful nature urges you to do. For if you live by its dictates, you will die. But if through the power of the Spirit you put to death the deeds of your sinful nature, you will live.
Romans 8:12*-‬13 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.12-13.NLT

We are not fully saved yet. We are saved from the power of sin and God's wrath but we are only on probation based on our behavior.
 

BillG

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That's what happens when you ignore all the Bible. You ignored the verse I quoted. We are saved but not yet.
And you did the same.
You have one verse yet I gave more.

You focus on the negative verse.

I focus on what Jesus said.

Trust
Those that the Father has given me I will not lose.
The one who goes astray I will seek out.

That's all that happens when you take one verse and build a doctrine around it.
You quote one verse then accuse p4t of ignoring all the Bible.
 

BillG

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You are ignoring this:

Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to do what your sinful nature urges you to do. For if you live by its dictates, you will die. But if through the power of the Spirit you put to death the deeds of your sinful nature, you will live.
Romans 8:12*-‬13 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.12-13.NLT

We are not fully saved yet. We are saved from the power of sin and God's wrath but we are only on probation based on our behavior.
So at what point are we thrown back in jail?
 

preacher4truth

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That's what happens when you ignore all the Bible.
No, the above is what happens when you assume and accuse others.

You ignored the verse I quoted.
More of your assumptions; 1) That I ignored your out of context verse and; 2) That your misusage of a text supports your error.

We are saved but not yet.
We are saved yet haven't been glorified in eternity, yet we are as far as God is concerned. The golden chain of redemption belongs to all true converts, every phase, from foreknowledge to glorification, of which salvation we can never lose or be separated from, but you ignore that part of the Bible because it devastates your teachings.

The chain cannot be broken, Romans 8:26-39.
 
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And you did the same.
You have one verse yet I gave more.

You focus on the negative verse.

I focus on what Jesus said.

Trust
Those that the Father has given me I will not lose.
The one who goes astray I will seek out.

That's all that happens when you take one verse and build a doctrine around it.
You quote one verse then accuse p4t of ignoring all the Bible.
That verse doesn't say they can't leave on their own:


I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me,
John 10:28 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/jhn.10.28.NLT