WHY do Muslims believe the text of the Bible has been corrupted?

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May 18, 2010
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This was originally posted by Shwagga: (a nice article and an interesting matter that I think deserve a special place)
WHY do Muslims believe the text of the Bible has been corrupted?


1. The Quran declares the Bible to be a true revelation of
God and demands faith in the Bible.

Sura 2:40-42,126,136,285; 3:3,71,93; 4:47,136; 5:47-51,
69,71-72; 6:91; 10:37,94; 21:7; 29:45,46; 35:31; 46:11

a. All these above texts presuppose the availability of the
true revelation of God to the people of Muhammad's day.
Sura 3:71,93; 10:94; 21:71
b. A true Muslim is obliged to believe in all the
revelations of God. Sura 2:136; 4:136; 29:46
c. The Quran makes no distinction between God's revelations
Sura 2:136

2. The Quran claims that NO ONE can change the Word of God.
Sura 6:34; 10:34

BUT,

3. The Bible and the Quran do not agree.

The Bible and the Quran differ widely on fundamental concepts
of faith and practice.

BUT,

4. Since the Bible existed before the Quran the burden of proof
is upon the Muslim to prove that the Bible is incorrect AND
that the Quran is correct.

a. The Bible was completed 500 years before the Quran was
revealed to Muhammad. If someone today wrote a book that
contradicts a historical document written at the time of
an event that took place in 1497 the person who wrote the
second book would have to be able to prove the older
document was false AND also prove its facts were true.
b. The document written at the time of the event would not
have to prove itself against a latter document. This is
neither logical, rational or true to the principles of
the science of history.
c. Merely proving that the older document was not accurate
also does not by default mean the newer document is true.
It must stand on its own and prove itself.

SO

WHY DO MUSLIMS BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS CORRUPTED?

5. In 1064, Ibn-Khazem, FIRST charged that the Bible had been
corrupted and the Bible falsified. This charge was to defend
Islam against Christianity because Ibn-Khazem come upon
differences and contradiction between the Bible and the
Quran. Believing, by faith that the Quran was true, the Bible
must then be false. He said, "Since the Quran must be true it
must be the conflicting Gospel texts that are false. But
Muhammad tells us to respect the Gospel. Therefore, the
present text must have been falsified by the Christians after
the time of Muhammad."
His argument was not based on any evidence or historical facts
but only on his personal faith, reasoning and desire to
safeguard the Quran.
This led him to teach that, "The Christians lost the revealed
Gospel except for a few traces which God has left intact as
argument against them."

BUT,

6. Many great MUSLIM teachers DO NOT believe the Bible has been
corrupted and ACCEPT the authenticity of our PRESENT New
Testament texts.

a. Ali al-Tabari (died 855) accepted the Gospel texts
b. Amr al-Ghakhiz (869) " " " "
c. BUKHARI (810-870) " " " "
(he gathered some of the earliest tradition of Islam
quoted the Quran itself to support his belief in the text
of the Bible Sura 3:72,78)
d. Al-Mas'udi (956) " " " "
e. Abu Ali Husain Bin Sina (1037)" " "
f. AL-GHAZZALI (1111) " " " "
(probably the greatest Muslim scholar he lived after Ibn-
Khazem but did not accept his teachings)
g. Ibn-Khaldun (1406) " " " " " "
(he lived after Ibn-Khazem but did not accept his
teachings but rather believed the earlier Islamic
teachers.)
h. Sir Sayyid Ahmad Khan, founder of the Aligarh College
"In the opinion of us Mohammedans it is not proved that
corruption (tahrif-i-lafzi)...was practiced."
i. Fakhruddin Razi, on the authority of Ibn Abbas, a nephew
of Muhammed, "The Jews and early Christians were
suspected of altering the text of the Taurat and Injil;
but in the opinion of eminent doctors and theologians it
was not practicable thus to corrupt the text, because
those Scriptures were generally known and widely
circulated, having been handed down from generation to
generation."

SO,

WHY do YOU believe the Bible text has been corrupted?
WHY do you believe Ibn-Khazem rather then the witness of the Quran,
the word of Muhammad, and these 10 great Muslim scholars who
all believed the Bible texts to be truthful?



Sources:
Christians Answer Muslims, Gerhard Nehls, 1992
Can We Trust the Bible?, J Wijngaard
Quran, A. Yusuf Ali
Kitab al-Asnam, Ibn al-Kalbi, 1952
Sahih al Bukhari, 6th ed. 1986
The Islamic Christian Controversy, LCA 1996

:D On the alleged corruption of the Bible

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Good morning
 
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greatkraw

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islam is threatened by the truth
 
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socperkins

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Very good thread, all very interesting stuff.
 

zone

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great! good job!

i know not all Arabs are Islamists! lots are Christians, and other believers too!

but Islam originated with Arabs.

Arabs are the sons of Ishmael.

Ishmael was the son of Abraham and Hagar.

interesting to look at Wiki, paying attention to the Christian understanding.

Ishmael

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Hagar and Ishmael in the Wilderness, by Karel Dujardin


Ishmael (Hebrew: יִשְׁמָעֵאל, Modern Yishma'el Tiberian Yišmāʻēl; Greek: Ισμαήλ Ismaēl; Latin: Ismael; Arabic: إسماعيل‎, ʼIsmāʻīl) is a figure in the Hebrew Bible, and later referenced in the Qur'an. Jews, Christians and Muslims believe Ishmael is Abraham's eldest son and first born. Ishmael is born of Sarah's handmaiden Hagar (Genesis 16:3). Although born of Hagar, according to Mesopotamian law, Ishmael was credited as Sarah's son; a legal heir through marriage. (Genesis 16:2)[1] According to the Genesis account, he died at the age of 137 (Genesis 25:17).[2]

Islamic traditions consider Ishmael as the ancestor of Arab people,[1] while Jewish traditions are split between those who consider Ishmael the northern Arab ancestor and those, like Maimonides, who believe that the northern Arabs are descended from the sons of Keturah, whom Abraham married after Sarah's death.[3]

Judaism has generally viewed Ishmael as wicked though repentant.[1] Judaism maintains that Isaac (the father of the Jewish people) rather than Ishmael was the true heir of Abraham.[4] The New Testament contains few references to Ishmael. In some Christian biblical interpretations, Ishmael is used to symbolize the older—now rejected—Judaic tradition; Isaac symbolizes the new tradition of Christianity.[1] Islamic tradition, however, has a very positive view of Ishmael, giving him a larger and more significant role. The Qur'an views him as an Islamic prophet. According to the contextual interpretation [citation needed] of some early Islamic theologians (whose view prevailed later), Ishmael was the actual son that Abraham was called on to sacrifice, as opposed to Isaac.[1][5]

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In some Christian biblical interpretations, Ishmael is used to symbolize the older—now rejected—Judaic tradition; Isaac symbolizes the new tradition of Christianity.

in Christianity
In the New Testament Abraham is mentioned prominently as a man of faith (see e.g., Hebrews 11), and the apostle Paul uses him as an example of salvation by faith, as the progenitor of the Christ (or Messiah) (see Galatians Galatians 3:16 KJV).
Authors of the New Testament report that Jesus cited Abraham to support belief in the resurrection of the dead. ''But concerning the dead, that they rise, have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the burning bush passage, how God spoke to him, saying, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly mistaken'' (Mark Mark 12:26-27 KJV). The New Testament also sees Abraham as an obedient man of God, and Abraham's interrupted attempt to offer up Isaac is seen as the supreme act of perfect faith in God. ''By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, of whom it was said, 'In Isaac your seed shall be called', concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense'' . The imagery of a father sacrificing his son is seen as a type of God the Father offering his Son on Golgatha.
The traditional view in Christianity is that the chief promise made to Abraham in ''Genesis'' 12 is that through Abraham's seed, all the people of earth would be blessed. Notwithstanding this, John the Baptist specifically taught that merely being of Abraham's seed was no guarantee of salvation. The promise in Genesis is considered to have been fulfilled through Abraham's seed, Jesus. It is also a consequence of this promise that Christianity is open to people of all races and not limited to Jews.
 
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The reason why the muslims believe that the text of the Bible have been corrupted is because they are of their father the devil and of the lusts of their father they will do John 8:44
 
May 18, 2010
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The reason why the muslims believe that the text of the Bible have been corrupted is because they are of their father the devil and of the lusts of their father they will do John 8:44
Thanks a lot, that was very instructive !

*Sarcasm off* ;)
 
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bobie

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i don't wanna insult or offend anybody but i think the Quran is the one that's corrupted! also Islam is a religion of hate in my opinion! they're willing to kill for what they believe and they use their Quran to justify their hatred!
 
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greatkraw

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what makes you think that ?

you only have to look at the campaign on this site by muslims seeking to sow doubt and division such as yourself

the interesting things is people who are making assertions about the Bible who have read little of it for themsleves and do not have a relationship with the author
 
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you only have to look at the campaign on this site by muslims seeking to sow doubt and division such as yourself

the interesting things is people who are making assertions about the Bible who have read little of it for themsleves and do not have a relationship with the author
doubt ! division ! These were there long before I came.

I am a muslim, and I noticed the presence only of 1 other muslim on this site, that is what you call muslim campaign ? and seriously, lightme had brought up on the table some very interesting topics, much more interesting stuff had been discussed than the usual things you find listed in this section.

and know that What does not kill you, makes you stronger ! and my intentions never was or is to sow doubt or division ! attacking my motives and intentions is the best way to discredit my presence on this site, but I don't care anymore. Believe or believe me not, judge or judge me not ... Hate it or Love it ...

I Love talking about Faith, I talk with everyone about faith on a daily basis. my muslim friends, my christians friends, agnostic, atheist ... whoever I meet. I even intended to go to a church near home for Bible study courses, it is a presbyterian church I think, but last week there was no Bible Study courses, Dunno for what reason.

and let me tell you how FEARFUL of the Bible I am ?
Wallah, by the Creator of the heavens and the earth, I wish to have children and I wish to teach them, make them read the Old testament, the New testament, and the Final testament.

Wallah, you have no clue about how deeply concerned I am about Faith and Truth.
 
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The supposed divine revelation given to muhammed by allah through the quran was written 600 years or so after the life of Jesus and it was on a different country... Yes the quran teaches a lot of things about the life of Jesus but it's completely different from what the bible teaches.. The God of the bible is fundamentally different from the god in quran. Why believe something 600 years later and from a different place prior to the fact? Any rational person won't do so or at least think twice before doing it...
 
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charisenexcelcis

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doubt ! division ! These were there long before I came.

I am a muslim, and I noticed the presence only of 1 other muslim on this site, that is what you call muslim campaign ? and seriously, lightme had brought up on the table some very interesting topics, much more interesting stuff had been discussed than the usual things you find listed in this section.

and know that What does not kill you, makes you stronger ! and my intentions never was or is to sow doubt or division ! attacking my motives and intentions is the best way to discredit my presence on this site, but I don't care anymore. Believe or believe me not, judge or judge me not ... Hate it or Love it ...

I Love talking about Faith, I talk with everyone about faith on a daily basis. my muslim friends, my christians friends, agnostic, atheist ... whoever I meet. I even intended to go to a church near home for Bible study courses, it is a presbyterian church I think, but last week there was no Bible Study courses, Dunno for what reason.

and let me tell you how FEARFUL of the Bible I am ?
Wallah, by the Creator of the heavens and the earth, I wish to have children and I wish to teach them, make them read the Old testament, the New testament, and the Final testament.

Wallah, you have no clue about how deeply concerned I am about Faith and Truth.
So, let's talk about your faith. Were you born into a Muslim family?
 
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greatkraw

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exactly, now you have come out in the open and confessed you are a muslim sent to agitate christians

so.................

how much of the Bible have you(or Lightme/Nighte) read for your self/selves??????????????????
 
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Mich223

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The Bible is the word of God. It is incorruptible.
 
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The Bible is the word of God. It is incorruptible.

Unfortunately, the only part of "the bible" that is incorruptible is the five-book portion known as the Torah ... and the only language in which it is incorruptible is the original Hebrew language! I could site examples, but I will not at this time. But if you want to zero in on differences between bible versions, there is nothing like reading different versions of the same verse on the same page! You can easily do that on biblehub dot com!
 

blue_ladybug

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Inquistor, please stop pulling zombie threads forward. Every one you've posted on, the OP and other posters either have left or were banned.
 
Dec 14, 2017
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Inquistor, please stop pulling zombie threads forward. Every one you've posted on, the OP and other posters either have left or were banned.

Please site whatever "rules" exist that back up your request (that I should not post on certain threads, which may or may not be "old"!
 
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Because the bible states that the blessing would come through Isaac and not Ishmael who would be cast out and the bible deems Islam a false satanic cult thay leads it's followers straight to hell........!
 
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Because the bible states that the blessing would come through Isaac and not Ishmael who would be cast out and the bible deems Islam a false satanic cult thay leads it's followers straight to hell........!

Can you please site any scriptural references for your assertions above?