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Noblemen

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In Christ Revolution


The tremendous change which began on the Day of Pentecost from the existence of a gospel centered around Moses’ Law to the Christ-life was revolutionary, 1John 5:12 "He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

The age long covenant of works was not readily set aside for these new teachings of Christ in us. But sadder yet is the fact that to this day there still exists an admixture and commingling of law and grace which has definitely hidden the Christ-life from multitudes of believers. It is not to be said here that anyone who has believed on the Lord Jesus Christ is not saved or is not a genuine Christian, for this is never the intent in preaching Christ in His fullness, Acts 16:31.

What is to be said here, and said dogmatically, is that multitudes of genuinely born-again believers have never come to the full understanding of Christ because of the admixture of law with grace.
Law and grace cannot and will not exist together, and when any believer attempts, as did Israel of old, to do something to please God, he has nullified the simplicity of needing only to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved.

This nullification of the effects of salvation is generally seen in the modern Church, today, in the constant infusion of programs to keep believers busy doing, with the constant emphasis on “if you give, you will be blessed,” or “if you come, you will be blessed,” inferring that they can become better Christians by this.

Such is a nullification of the born-again principle that a Father has birthed in us His nature and that we form from that nature and not by anything we do in our flesh. To continue this admixture of the teaching of doing something to “get” faith, or the teaching of doing anything to be acceptable to God is a circumvention of the whole revelation God has for Christianity.
 
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We are called to believe on the one whom God sent. The Lord Jesus Christ, who died, was buried and raised again.
Everything that Jesus Christ did, ... He saved the world... from sin by paying for everyone.. and to say you need to do more than Just believe and rely on Him, is very ... worrysome... to say the least, because its like anyone that confess Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour, yet they aren't doing the walk that someone else may be doing, and say ah well, you can say you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but that doesn't mean anything...

It is a crazy mentality.

Faith pleases God, not what man thinks a person should think or believe as far as doctrine or anything goes.
 

Ahwatukee

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Everything that Jesus Christ did, ... He saved the world... from sin by paying for everyone.. and to say you need to do more than Just believe and rely on Him, is very ... worrysome... to say the least, because its like anyone that confess Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour, yet they aren't doing the walk that someone else may be doing, and say ah well, you can say you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but that doesn't mean anything...


This is where cross-referencing and comparing scripture comes in MatthewG, which you obviously are not doing.

For example, did you know that those during Paul's time who were teaching that the resurrection had already taken place, that He called "godless chatter," that this teaching would spread like gangrene, that it was destroying the faith of some and that those who believed and taught this had wandered from the truth? Since you are believing the same thing, then you and all who believe the same fall under the same banner as those of Paul's time.

Also, did you know that there were those during the first century and presently who say that they are in Christ, but are still trusting in their own works as a requirement for salvation? Scripture says that those who are doing so have wandered from grace. And there other issues which directly affect a person's salvation. Regarding these who trust in their own works Jesus said, "not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven." This is exactly what you are doing by claiming to be in Christ, but not believing in His word. Not only are you doing that, but you are also proclaiming this teaching in your posts and affecting other believers.

I don't think that you understand the severity of your actions in this belief and teaching. I have been trying to help you understand and to read scripture at face value, but you continue to refuse and that because you have been indoctrinated into the heresy of preterism.

You are correct in that "Faith pleases God" and that is something that you not doing. You say "Lord, Lord" but you deny his word.
 
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Noblemen

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We are called to believe on the one whom God sent. The Lord Jesus Christ, who died, was buried and raised again.
Everything that Jesus Christ did, ... He saved the world... from sin by paying for everyone.. and to say you need to do more than Just believe and rely on Him, is very ... worrysome... to say the least, because its like anyone that confess Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour, yet they aren't doing the walk that someone else may be doing, and say ah well, you can say you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but that doesn't mean anything...

It is a crazy mentality.

Faith pleases God, not what man thinks a person should think or believe as far as doctrine or anything goes.
Maybe so but reread, your contradicting yourself and what I said. A famous move with religion who's gospel has it all worked out for the believer to sit idle never growing.
 

Noblemen

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This is where cross-referencing and comparing scripture comes in MatthewG, which you obviously are not doing.

For example, did you know that those during Paul's time who were teaching that the resurrection had already taken place, that He called "godless chatter," that this teaching would spread like gangrene, that it was destroying the faith of some and that those who believed and taught this had wandered from the truth? Since you are believing the same thing, then you and all who believe the same fall under the same banner as those of Paul's time.

Also, did you know that there were those during the first century and presently who say that they are in Christ, but are still trusting in their own works as a requirement for salvation? Scripture says that those who are doing so have wandered from grace. And there other issues which directly affect a person's salvation. Regarding these who trust in their own works Jesus said, "not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven." This is exactly what you are doing by claiming to be in Christ, but not believing in His word. Not only are you doing that, but you are also proclaiming this teaching in your posts and affecting other believers.

I don't think that you understand the severity of your actions in this belief and teaching. I have been trying to help you understand and to read scripture at face value, but you continue to refuse and that because you have been indoctrinated into the heresy of preterism.

You are correct in that "Faith pleases God" and that is something that you not doing. You say "Lord, Lord" but you deny his word.
Care to start a thread, I would love to chime in.
 
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but the commandent we are ment to do is beleive on the Son Of God Jesus Christ and love others. what more must i really do ? my faith resides alone in christ jesus. why do you say you lord lord but dont do what it says? there were people who said lord lord didnt i not do all these works in your name and he said get away from me work of inquity. Oh well its doesnt matter to me, you cant judge a person because your not God you can sniff around for bad fruit all day but if we are the one that isnt being loving to someone there might be a problem with how youre prtraying the love God shows us. i dont do anything for God, i just beleive and anything that remotely comes out of me is from jesus christ, who resides in me. times i talk about God and jesus christ are my experience with them to others, regardless if they may accept the truth of God or not. Itdont see it as my responsibility to go out and try to save as many people as i can because God isnalready in the process of doing it.

its not like i cant go and see God and say look at all i have done for you no way

its gonna be like God i beleived on your son jesus christ and there was nothing more i can do i did try to share with others and love the best i could but your son jesus christ did it all and i trusted in Him.
 

Ahwatukee

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but the commandent we are ment to do is beleive on the Son Of God Jesus Christ and love others. what more must i really do


If you believe in Christ, then believe also in His word and start believing what scripture says instead of spiritualizing or allegorizing it. By doing so you take away its true meaning. Also, stop teaching the false teaching of preterism.

Just some friendly Christian advise.
 

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Like your post MatthewG....but I think there is more we can do than 'just believe....that is only a starter !
WE are supposed to become OBEDient to our Savior...learn obedience as HE had to learn from His Father Heb 5v8, 9.
That is what we must do in order to become 'conformed to HIS image and likeness. Scripture is clear that believing or hearing alone is not sufficient and can keep us DECeived ! Jas 1v22.
 

Nehemiah6

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Such is a nullification of the born-again principle that a Father has birthed in us His nature and that we form from that nature and not by anything we do in our flesh. To continue this admixture of the teaching of doing something to “get” faith, or the teaching of doing anything to be acceptable to God is a circumvention of the whole revelation God has for Christianity.
You have mentioned the New Birth and justification, but that is where the Christian life begins. You have not said one word about sanctification, and that is a serious omission.
 
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Like your post MatthewG....but I think there is more we can do than 'just believe....that is only a starter !
WE are supposed to become OBEDient to our Savior...learn obedience as HE had to learn from His Father Heb 5v8, 9.
That is what we must do in order to become 'conformed to HIS image and likeness. Scripture is clear that believing or hearing alone is not sufficient and can keep us DECeived ! Jas 1v22.

Yes my sister I agree.

When there is someone out there that has no money to eat, and they hungry, feed them.
Where there is someone out there that has no water to drink, get them one.
When there is someone you know out there that in the hospital, try to visit them.
When there is someone you know out there in prison, try to visit them.
When there is someone out there that needs help, help them.
When there is someone out there walking on the road, give them a lift.
When a stranger comes to your house, and he has no place to stay, but wishes to stay warm, allow them to sleep there for the night, atleast he would be safe out of the weather, and could rest comfortably.


Expression of love, to do such things for people in need, and anything you did for them you did unto Christ Jesus.


Are these works of love?


James 2:14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works/love, is dead.

God is Love, and we must strive to Love others, to our best ability, even our enemys
 
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