Scriptural support for Free Will
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Really??
2Th:2:11:
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie:
If 2/3 die at Jesus's sword I would each and every one has been set to be part of the 2nd group to be saved rather than the 1st. There could be no sheep/goats judgment if He did not make it that way intentionally. You end up in the 1st or 2nd group to be saved. There is no 3rd group.
2Th:2:11:
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie:
If 2/3 die at Jesus's sword I would each and every one has been set to be part of the 2nd group to be saved rather than the 1st. There could be no sheep/goats judgment if He did not make it that way intentionally. You end up in the 1st or 2nd group to be saved. There is no 3rd group.
This was in response to "He forces no one" and is a misapplication to Scripture to contradict that. But the context is very clear. The strong delusion is JUDGMENT upon those who:
1)received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved
2) who believed not the truth
3) but had pleasure in unrighteousness
In other words, these people had ample opportunities to believe the truth of the Gospel and be saved, but they rejected every opportunity and remained unrepentant. Therefore they received their just judgment and were given over to strong delusion. Now does this prove that sinners have free will or does it prove the opposite? Since God desired their salvation, they were given opportunities to believe the truth and be saved. If God were compelling or forcing sinners to be saved, then all of them would have been saved. Not damned. But because they rejected the truth they were damned.
Actually this is one of the most powerful Scripture to establish that all human beings have free will in that they are free to hear the Gospel message and either (1) obey the Gospel or (2) disobey the Gospel. And we see the operation of man's free will from Genesis to Revelation.
Calvinists preach and teach that sinners are "slaves to sin" therefore they can only do evil and cannot freely respond to the Gospel. That is an ABSOLUTE LIE since God tells us that all human beings have a conscience, and when Gentiles followed their conscience in doing what was right they were in fact obeying the Law (the Ten Commandments). See Romans 2.
As to the generation of saving faith within the hearts of sinners God has made full provision in (1) the power of the Gospel itself and (2) the power of the Holy Spirit to convict and convince. This is NOT limited to those who supposedly have been "elected" for salvation but is applicable to all mankind. Hence the commandment to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to EVERY CREATURE.
1)received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved
2) who believed not the truth
3) but had pleasure in unrighteousness
In other words, these people had ample opportunities to believe the truth of the Gospel and be saved, but they rejected every opportunity and remained unrepentant. Therefore they received their just judgment and were given over to strong delusion. Now does this prove that sinners have free will or does it prove the opposite? Since God desired their salvation, they were given opportunities to believe the truth and be saved. If God were compelling or forcing sinners to be saved, then all of them would have been saved. Not damned. But because they rejected the truth they were damned.
Actually this is one of the most powerful Scripture to establish that all human beings have free will in that they are free to hear the Gospel message and either (1) obey the Gospel or (2) disobey the Gospel. And we see the operation of man's free will from Genesis to Revelation.
Calvinists preach and teach that sinners are "slaves to sin" therefore they can only do evil and cannot freely respond to the Gospel. That is an ABSOLUTE LIE since God tells us that all human beings have a conscience, and when Gentiles followed their conscience in doing what was right they were in fact obeying the Law (the Ten Commandments). See Romans 2.
As to the generation of saving faith within the hearts of sinners God has made full provision in (1) the power of the Gospel itself and (2) the power of the Holy Spirit to convict and convince. This is NOT limited to those who supposedly have been "elected" for salvation but is applicable to all mankind. Hence the commandment to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to EVERY CREATURE.
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The differences between a child of the light and a child of the darkness. If OT prophecy states that 1/3 of a certain population will be saved because they are a child of the light.The 2/3 that die are children of the darkness. The ones that dies are still resurrected to life at the GWT event. All people are saved, the 1,000 year group was never intended to be the larger group.
Isa:54:1:
Sing,
O barren,
thou that didst not bear;
break forth into singing,
and cry aloud,
thou that didst not travail with child:
for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife,
saith the LORD.
God hardened the heart of Pharaoh so all the plagues would happen, He is alive for the 1,000 year reign because of it. God had the vision of Moses and Elias standing with Jesus on the top of a remote mountain and then instructed the 3 witnesses that they were to say nothing until He was killed. That would have been quite different had the vision taken place in sight of the temple staff that was in Matthew:23. The book is the gathering tool so the best example of free will is in these verses.
M't:10:12-15:
And when ye come into an house,
salute it.
And if the house be worthy,
let your peace come upon it:
but if it be not worthy,
let your peace return to you.
And whosoever shall not receive you,
nor hear your words,
when ye depart out of that house or city,
shake off the dust of your feet.
Verily I say unto you,
It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment,
than for that city.
Since the only difference is they come alive at the Great White Throne event than at the start of the 1,000 year reign. Both groups are alive and on the earth when the new earth verses are manifest into reality.
How can you say all have the opportunity to be alive at the start of the 1,000 year period when the vials kill 2/3 of everybody because they are sinners. All people are gathered by the end of Judgment day but I have yet to read that on the thread.
Re:16:15:
Behold,
I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth,
and keepeth his garments,
lest he walk naked,
and they see his shame.
Re:19:21:
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded out of his mouth:
and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Isa:65:12-15:
Therefore will I number you to the sword,
and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter:
because when I called,
ye did not answer;
when I spake,
ye did not hear;
but did evil before mine eyes,
and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold,
my servants shall eat,
but ye shall be hungry:
behold,
my servants shall drink,
but ye shall be thirsty:
behold,
my servants shall rejoice,
but ye shall be ashamed:
Behold,
my servants shall sing for joy of heart,
but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart,
and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:
Isa:65:16:
That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself i
You cannot say the ones killed due to a prophecy are part of it because of their use of their free will. Judas did not use free will when he betrayed Jesus yet he repented that sin and that made him saved. Had he not repented he was still saved because he is part of the w2hole House of Israel. In terms of being saved coming in 1st or 2nd doesn't matter in the leas as it divide those who will be shepherds from those who will be the flock when the new earth exists.
The ones that are alive for the 1,000 years are free to sin yet none do and that also apples to the rest as well.
God only needs a small group to be alive for the 1,000 years. None of them are given in marriage so they area static population for that period as well as the in the new earth. It is the ones not alive for that time that will be having children in the new earth.
Isa:54:1:
Sing,
O barren,
thou that didst not bear;
break forth into singing,
and cry aloud,
thou that didst not travail with child:
for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife,
saith the LORD.
God hardened the heart of Pharaoh so all the plagues would happen, He is alive for the 1,000 year reign because of it. God had the vision of Moses and Elias standing with Jesus on the top of a remote mountain and then instructed the 3 witnesses that they were to say nothing until He was killed. That would have been quite different had the vision taken place in sight of the temple staff that was in Matthew:23. The book is the gathering tool so the best example of free will is in these verses.
M't:10:12-15:
And when ye come into an house,
salute it.
And if the house be worthy,
let your peace come upon it:
but if it be not worthy,
let your peace return to you.
And whosoever shall not receive you,
nor hear your words,
when ye depart out of that house or city,
shake off the dust of your feet.
Verily I say unto you,
It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment,
than for that city.
Since the only difference is they come alive at the Great White Throne event than at the start of the 1,000 year reign. Both groups are alive and on the earth when the new earth verses are manifest into reality.
How can you say all have the opportunity to be alive at the start of the 1,000 year period when the vials kill 2/3 of everybody because they are sinners. All people are gathered by the end of Judgment day but I have yet to read that on the thread.
Re:16:15:
Behold,
I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth,
and keepeth his garments,
lest he walk naked,
and they see his shame.
Re:19:21:
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded out of his mouth:
and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Isa:65:12-15:
Therefore will I number you to the sword,
and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter:
because when I called,
ye did not answer;
when I spake,
ye did not hear;
but did evil before mine eyes,
and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold,
my servants shall eat,
but ye shall be hungry:
behold,
my servants shall drink,
but ye shall be thirsty:
behold,
my servants shall rejoice,
but ye shall be ashamed:
Behold,
my servants shall sing for joy of heart,
but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart,
and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:
Isa:65:16:
That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself i
You cannot say the ones killed due to a prophecy are part of it because of their use of their free will. Judas did not use free will when he betrayed Jesus yet he repented that sin and that made him saved. Had he not repented he was still saved because he is part of the w2hole House of Israel. In terms of being saved coming in 1st or 2nd doesn't matter in the leas as it divide those who will be shepherds from those who will be the flock when the new earth exists.
The ones that are alive for the 1,000 years are free to sin yet none do and that also apples to the rest as well.
God only needs a small group to be alive for the 1,000 years. None of them are given in marriage so they area static population for that period as well as the in the new earth. It is the ones not alive for that time that will be having children in the new earth.
Here is part of a passage that says sinners are not using their free will.
Jer:25:26-33:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:
and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.
Therefore thou shalt say unto them,
Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
the God of Israel;
Drink ye,
and be drunken,
and spue,
and fall,
and rise no more,
because of the sword which I will send among you.
And it shall be,
if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink,
then shalt thou say unto them,
Thus saith the LORD of hosts;
Ye shall certainly drink.
For,
lo,
I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name,
and should ye be utterly unpunished?
Ye shall not be unpunished:
for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth,
saith the LORD of hosts.
Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words,
and say unto them,
The LORD shall roar from on high,
and utter his voice from his holy habitation;
he shall mightily roar upon his habitation;
he shall give a shout,
as they that tread the grapes,
against all the inhabitants of the earth.
A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth;
for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations,
he will plead with all flesh;
he will give them that are wicked to the sword,
saith the LORD.
Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
Behold,
evil shall go forth from nation to nation,
and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:
they shall not be lamented,
neither gathered,
nor buried;
they shall be dung upon the ground.
They are also resurrected to eternal life at the GWT event
Jer:25:26-33:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:
and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.
Therefore thou shalt say unto them,
Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
the God of Israel;
Drink ye,
and be drunken,
and spue,
and fall,
and rise no more,
because of the sword which I will send among you.
And it shall be,
if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink,
then shalt thou say unto them,
Thus saith the LORD of hosts;
Ye shall certainly drink.
For,
lo,
I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name,
and should ye be utterly unpunished?
Ye shall not be unpunished:
for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth,
saith the LORD of hosts.
Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words,
and say unto them,
The LORD shall roar from on high,
and utter his voice from his holy habitation;
he shall mightily roar upon his habitation;
he shall give a shout,
as they that tread the grapes,
against all the inhabitants of the earth.
A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth;
for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations,
he will plead with all flesh;
he will give them that are wicked to the sword,
saith the LORD.
Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
Behold,
evil shall go forth from nation to nation,
and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:
they shall not be lamented,
neither gathered,
nor buried;
they shall be dung upon the ground.
They are also resurrected to eternal life at the GWT event
I don't understand what the Millennium has to do with this subject, so let's leave Bible prophecy and the Millennium out of this discussion.
You say God hardened Pharaoh's heart and there is no disputing that. What you have failed to mention is that God gave Pharaoh multiple opportunities -- before his heart was hardened -- to repent, believe God, believe in God and acknowledge Him as the one true God, believe Moses, and do what God had commanded. God never acts arbitrarily, and before He brings judgment on sinners He gives them ample opportunity to repent. Study the book of Jonah for starters. And God does not change either. So the hardening of Pharaoh's heart was judgment after all avenues had failed to bring him to repentance.
You say God hardened Pharaoh's heart and there is no disputing that. What you have failed to mention is that God gave Pharaoh multiple opportunities -- before his heart was hardened -- to repent, believe God, believe in God and acknowledge Him as the one true God, believe Moses, and do what God had commanded. God never acts arbitrarily, and before He brings judgment on sinners He gives them ample opportunity to repent. Study the book of Jonah for starters. And God does not change either. So the hardening of Pharaoh's heart was judgment after all avenues had failed to bring him to repentance.
That would be something the OP can ask for, how does another poster get to determine what part of the Bible is used to make a point??
You might want to start with looking up the reference before you promote it on a reply. So much for your 'many chances to repent' theory. The rest of your post has no Scripture to support it. If it had any merit there would be no men being killed on the day of the return as the two witnesses are doing Moses type of things for 3 1/2 years before men are judged by Jesus.
Ex:7:10-13:
And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh,
and they did so as the LORD had commanded:
and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh,
and before his servants,
and it became a serpent.
Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers:
now the magicians of Egypt,
they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
For they cast down every man his rod,
and they became serpents:
but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.
And he hardened Pharaoh's heart,
that he hearkened not unto them;
as the LORD had said.
You might want to start with looking up the reference before you promote it on a reply. So much for your 'many chances to repent' theory. The rest of your post has no Scripture to support it. If it had any merit there would be no men being killed on the day of the return as the two witnesses are doing Moses type of things for 3 1/2 years before men are judged by Jesus.
Ex:7:10-13:
And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh,
and they did so as the LORD had commanded:
and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh,
and before his servants,
and it became a serpent.
Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers:
now the magicians of Egypt,
they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
For they cast down every man his rod,
and they became serpents:
but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.
And he hardened Pharaoh's heart,
that he hearkened not unto them;
as the LORD had said.
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And you might want to start with Exodus chapter 1. While this new Pharaoh did not know Joseph, he would have known "of" Joseph and how highly regarded he had been by the preceding Pharaoh. He would have also known that the Hebrews worshiped the one true God, and he could have done the same. Yet he chose -- of his own free will -- to persecute the Israelites. He could have repented at that point and many other points before Exodus 7. And for you to claim that I did not "post" Scripture is nonsense. I asked you to read and study Jonah (which you obviously have not done). So read that book and discover that God DOES NOT arbitrarily harden hearts. Quite the opposite.
Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
If people do not have free will then why does God command all people to repent of their sins.
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
If people do not have free will then why are the wicked punished when they did nothing wrong,but will reject the truth seeing no other alternative.God is not evil.
1Jn 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
If we do not have free will then they do not truly love God,and His kingdom is not love,for they have no choice but to love God seeing no other alternative.
If we do not have free will then our faith,repentance,confession of Christ,love for God and Jesus,and people,is not real for we have no choice but to do those things seeing no other alternative.
God's kingdom is love,and He is not evil,and without free will then His kingdom is not true love,and He would be punishing people for rejecting the truth with no fault of their own.
All have sinned and come short of the glory of God,and there is none that does good,no,not one,and our righteousness is as filthy rags,and God is no respecter of persons,and what makes you to differ from another,and if you offend in the least of the law then you offend in all,so why would God choose who will be saved,and not saved,without their choice when all people are the same in the eyes of God.
It is a misunderstanding of scriptures.
God states He wants all people to repent,come to the truth,and be saved,and the Spirit and bride say Come,and whosoever will can have that salvation,and Jesus lights every person that is born in this world,so everybody has the chance to see the light of Jesus and be saved.
So we have free will.
Many are called but few are chosen,so if God chooses who will be saved without their choice,then why is He calling people that cannot be chosen,and He does the calling and choosing on earth.
No person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them,and no person can say Jesus is Lord,except by the Holy Ghost,but not all people that claim Jesus as Lord will dwell with Him,but they were called for they confessed Christ as Lord,but not chosen for they did not come to the truth.
When God calls a person He will work in that person's life to bring them to the truth,but when they get to the door of truth it is up to them to push the door open,and that truth is to abstain from sin by the Spirit,which the Bible says some people have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never able to come to the truth,and points out their sins,but the ones who pushed open the door to truth would of not gotten there if God did not intercede in their life when He called them,so He chose them they did not choose Him,and salvation is from Him.
If we sin we can be forgiven,but some people believe they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,so many will hold unto sin thinking they are right with God,but the blood of Jesus cannot wash away that sin if they hold unto it.
If they think they are alright when they hold unto sin then they have no pushed open the door of truth,but they have been called,but cannot be chosen until they realize that they have to abstain from sin by the Spirit,and sin does affect their relationship with God.
We have free will because God's kingdom is love,and He is not evil to punish people that have no choice but to reject the truth,for they did nothing wrong.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
If people do not have free will then why does God command all people to repent of their sins.
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
If people do not have free will then why are the wicked punished when they did nothing wrong,but will reject the truth seeing no other alternative.God is not evil.
1Jn 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
If we do not have free will then they do not truly love God,and His kingdom is not love,for they have no choice but to love God seeing no other alternative.
If we do not have free will then our faith,repentance,confession of Christ,love for God and Jesus,and people,is not real for we have no choice but to do those things seeing no other alternative.
God's kingdom is love,and He is not evil,and without free will then His kingdom is not true love,and He would be punishing people for rejecting the truth with no fault of their own.
All have sinned and come short of the glory of God,and there is none that does good,no,not one,and our righteousness is as filthy rags,and God is no respecter of persons,and what makes you to differ from another,and if you offend in the least of the law then you offend in all,so why would God choose who will be saved,and not saved,without their choice when all people are the same in the eyes of God.
It is a misunderstanding of scriptures.
God states He wants all people to repent,come to the truth,and be saved,and the Spirit and bride say Come,and whosoever will can have that salvation,and Jesus lights every person that is born in this world,so everybody has the chance to see the light of Jesus and be saved.
So we have free will.
Many are called but few are chosen,so if God chooses who will be saved without their choice,then why is He calling people that cannot be chosen,and He does the calling and choosing on earth.
No person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them,and no person can say Jesus is Lord,except by the Holy Ghost,but not all people that claim Jesus as Lord will dwell with Him,but they were called for they confessed Christ as Lord,but not chosen for they did not come to the truth.
When God calls a person He will work in that person's life to bring them to the truth,but when they get to the door of truth it is up to them to push the door open,and that truth is to abstain from sin by the Spirit,which the Bible says some people have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never able to come to the truth,and points out their sins,but the ones who pushed open the door to truth would of not gotten there if God did not intercede in their life when He called them,so He chose them they did not choose Him,and salvation is from Him.
If we sin we can be forgiven,but some people believe they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,so many will hold unto sin thinking they are right with God,but the blood of Jesus cannot wash away that sin if they hold unto it.
If they think they are alright when they hold unto sin then they have no pushed open the door of truth,but they have been called,but cannot be chosen until they realize that they have to abstain from sin by the Spirit,and sin does affect their relationship with God.
We have free will because God's kingdom is love,and He is not evil to punish people that have no choice but to reject the truth,for they did nothing wrong.
Just where do you see Pharaoh any persecution. Joseph came to Egypt as a slave and Moses was raised in Pharoah's place. God left them in Egypt for 430 years, they were nor prisoners during that time. Pharaoh wanted to keep the people that did the manual labor. Every society has had rulers and workers. God created the conditions that sent them there in the first place and He retrieved then when the time was right, such as the 70 generations prophecy.
You have to be under God's laws before you are required to obey them, lol. Nice try though.
Repenting didn't apply back then, that is a NT teaching.
Do you really think that Jonah was nor destined to be drowned by a fish and be dead and awake for 3 days and nights. How could Jesus us that as the only sign if God had not caused it to happen.
Jon:2:2-6:
And said,
I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD,
and he heard me;
out of the belly of hell cried I,
and thou heardest my voice.
For thou hadst cast me into the deep,
in the midst of the seas;
and the floods compassed me about:
all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.
Then I said,
I am cast out of thy sight;
yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.
The waters compassed me about,
even to the soul:
the depth closed me round about,
the weeds were wrapped about my head.
I went down to the bottoms of the mountains;
the earth with her bars was about me for ever:
yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption,
O LORD my God.
M't:16:4:
A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign;
and there shall no sign be given unto it,
but the sign of the prophet Jonas.
And he left them,
and departed.
You have to be under God's laws before you are required to obey them, lol. Nice try though.
Repenting didn't apply back then, that is a NT teaching.
Do you really think that Jonah was nor destined to be drowned by a fish and be dead and awake for 3 days and nights. How could Jesus us that as the only sign if God had not caused it to happen.
Jon:2:2-6:
And said,
I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD,
and he heard me;
out of the belly of hell cried I,
and thou heardest my voice.
For thou hadst cast me into the deep,
in the midst of the seas;
and the floods compassed me about:
all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.
Then I said,
I am cast out of thy sight;
yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.
The waters compassed me about,
even to the soul:
the depth closed me round about,
the weeds were wrapped about my head.
I went down to the bottoms of the mountains;
the earth with her bars was about me for ever:
yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption,
O LORD my God.
M't:16:4:
A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign;
and there shall no sign be given unto it,
but the sign of the prophet Jonas.
And he left them,
and departed.
God does harden hearts so prophecy can be fulfilled.
M'r:6:52:
For they considered not the miracle of the loaves:
for their heart was hardened.
Joh:12:40:
He hath blinded their eyes,
and hardened their heart;
that they should not see with their eyes,
nor understand with their heart,
and be converted,
and I should heal them.
M'r:6:52:
For they considered not the miracle of the loaves:
for their heart was hardened.
Joh:12:40:
He hath blinded their eyes,
and hardened their heart;
that they should not see with their eyes,
nor understand with their heart,
and be converted,
and I should heal them.
There is no process to salvation. You're either saved or your not. Same goes with all Christians. The very moment one has faith, they're saved. Without faith, they're lost.
Ppl acknowledge God's existence all the time. When 9/11 happened, our country got all patriotic and went around saying God bless America. Now look at our country. In times of trouble, ppl want Him.
Now, those who have never read a bible, never heard the gospel, may acknowledge God, but in doing that, they attribute to Him nothing more than a household idol, such as a statute, an animal, stars, moon, sun, &c. To truly believe in God is to believe in His Son. Those who died never hearing the gospel, died lost. They did not know the Way to God, that Way being Jesus.
Ppl acknowledge God's existence all the time. When 9/11 happened, our country got all patriotic and went around saying God bless America. Now look at our country. In times of trouble, ppl want Him.
Now, those who have never read a bible, never heard the gospel, may acknowledge God, but in doing that, they attribute to Him nothing more than a household idol, such as a statute, an animal, stars, moon, sun, &c. To truly believe in God is to believe in His Son. Those who died never hearing the gospel, died lost. They did not know the Way to God, that Way being Jesus.
In Scofield's "Prophecy made plain", he stated that at that time, over 800,000 ppl around the world had not heard the gospel. And he was not a Calvinist whatsoever.
A Gideon came to my church last summer and said millions in India had yet to hear the gospel. And he was not a Calvinist, either.
If you truly believe that everybody who has ever lived has/had/will have heard the gospel before they die, you are sorely mistaken.
A Gideon came to my church last summer and said millions in India had yet to hear the gospel. And he was not a Calvinist, either.
If you truly believe that everybody who has ever lived has/had/will have heard the gospel before they die, you are sorely mistaken.