In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

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Ahwatukee

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Romans 5:12 sin came through man, therefore only through man can it be redeemed.
1 Corinthians 15:21 since death came through a man so also the resurrection of the dead comes also through a MAN ( human being)
Do you understand the concept of God appearing in the flesh? He had to become a human being, kinning himself to us in order to be able to to pay the penalty for our sins, yet He himself had no sin.
 

Magenta

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Jesus says on the cross my God my God why have thou forsaken me.
If Jesus was God then this is not true.
Jesus said and did that which the Father gave Him to say and do, and He often told us He said (and did) things for our benefit. Do you know that Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 on the cross? That which He quoted was Scripture that prophesied the manner of His death.
 

Ahwatukee

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Yes I know that verse and I had a bible professor study it out. It seems the word they use for "word" is used some 300 times in the new testament. If Jesus was the word in all the other verses then the new testament wouldn't make sense.
Context, context, context! The context must bear out the meaning. Depending on the context, the word "word" could refer to the what is written in a book or what is spoken or it could refer to it as referring to the Word of God, which is just another designation of Christ.
 

Magenta

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I know Jesus isn't God, in the same way I am not my father.
John chapter one verses 1-14 make plain that Jesus is God...
not to mention a plethora of other Scriptures that do the same.
 

Ahwatukee

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Also Jesus says on the cross my God my God why have thou forsaken me.


Because Jesus was in the flesh as a man fulfilling all that was written of him. It does not mean that he was not God. Are you forgetting the verse where God the Father calls the Son "God" as well?

Jesus was/is both God and man. That part of God took on flesh in order to live a perfect life in the flesh to save those would trust in him for salvation. They are individual persons existing as one God.
 
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And hundreds that say different. If Jesus truly was God he would have clearly said it AND there would be no other verses to say different. The entire bible would be clear on it and there wouldn't be verses that say different.
 
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So your saying that 1 Corinthians is wrong that only a immortal omnipotent holy God can die for man's sins
 
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Oh my how illogical an immortal God dying
 

Ahwatukee

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And hundreds that say different. If Jesus truly was God he would have clearly said it AND there would be no other verses to say different. The entire bible would be clear on it and there wouldn't be verses that say different.
He did clearly say that he was God. When Thomas said to Him, "My Lord and my God," did you see Jesus rebuke Thomas for calling him God? No, he didn't. Because he addressed Jesus correctly.

You shouldn't even be on this site. The denial of Jesus as not being God, is a major false teaching.

You'll find out different when you stand before him.
 
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Yes exactly and when I do, he will say well done.
 
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Okay so you believe Jesus is God. Then explain Numbers 23:19
 
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Why don't any of the epistles start with Jesus is God?
And why is anything but believing God the Father and Jesus His son, the spirit of the anti christ as said in the word?
 

Ahwatukee

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Oh my how illogical an immortal God dying
Only in the flesh did he die! Your reasoning reminds me of the same type of reasoning that preterists use, scripturally illogical. When Jesus died, his spirit departed from his body and went to the same place where Abraham and Lazarus were, Sheol/Hades. After three days, his spirit returned to his body, his flesh becoming immortal and glorified. His resurrection is a guarantee of our resurrection. He ascended into heaven at the right hand of the Father in that same glorified body and will be returning to the earth to end the age in that same glorified body.
 
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Yes exactly at the right hand of the Father, not the right hand of himself.
 

Ahwatukee

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Why don't any of the epistles start with Jesus is God?
And why is anything but believing God the Father and Jesus His son, the spirit of the anti christ as said in the word?
Actually, the scripture says, "I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

Coming in the flesh, meaning that he existed in heaven before appearing in the flesh.
 
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Yes I know the verse well. The thing is Jesus cannot have been in heaven before he was born on earth. There is so much that makes that impossible.
What happened to his body he had before?
What did he look like before? Because he would look different now.
Where did his spirit go that cannot die?
His personality would be different now to how it was in the beginning.
The spirit Jesus had in the womb wasn't the same in the beginning.
How was he God in the womb seeing he wasn't formed yet?
Satan when he tempted Jesus didn't call him God.

The bible says Jesus was tempted in all parts yet without sin, yet the bible says God cannot be tempted with sin.
So that says clearly Jesus cannot have been God.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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God forgives sins because of Jesus death on the cross. Just because Jesus forgives sins doesn't make him God. We are commanded to forgive sins as well. Does this make us God?
Also Jesus says on the cross my God my God why have thou forsaken me.
If Jesus was God then this is not true.
Jesus is the begotten son of God yes but it doesn't make him God. The bible is clear in numbers that God isn't a man (human) or the son of man.
Jesus is clearly human. Therefore not God according to numbers 23:19
Jesus has his Father's nature because he has half his DNA so yes he is like his Father BUT he isn't God. He is the only begotten son of God.
Where are you getting this from? It isn't in the Greek.
What you are saying is a contradiction in terms. If Jesus was NOT God, he would have no power and authority to forgive sins.
If Jesus is not God, you have no forgiveness and your faith is in vain. Moreover his death on the cross would have been useless.
 

Ahwatukee

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Where are you getting this from? It isn't in the Greek.
What you are saying is a contradiction in terms. If Jesus was NOT God, he would have no power and authority to forgive sins.
If Jesus is not God, you have no forgiveness and your faith is in vain. Moreover his death on the cross would have been useless.
Satan is working over time!
 
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He was the perfect sinless man. The only man who could die for all mankind. Jesus is called the second Adam. How can he be if he's not human?
Those verses are clear. If you believe that Jesus is God then you have to believe the scripture verses are wrong that I just posted where Jesus WAS tempted but God CANNOT be tempted.
When Jesus died and God raised him from the dead, he was given all power and authority and glory from God and made to sit at the right hand of the Father.
God has given His son a name above all names because Jesus finished the work God commanded of him.
Jesus is second only to God the Father. Because of Jesus obedience to his Father he now has that position in heaven.
In the old testament when it says one God it actually uses the numeral 1 that is 1 God.
Look I want you to think about it, not trying to change your mind only just show you what God showed me.
There is so much in the word that proves what I've said, you just need to search it out and compare verses because they show the truth if you really want to listen and search for it.
Be blessed.
 
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We can forgive sins as well, remember the Lord's prayer.