In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

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DJ777

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So God was tempted by evil even though the bible says he can't be.
And Jesus cannot be our mediator between God and man because you said he is God.
And God is eternal yet Jesus died.
And numbers says God is not a man or the son of man yet 1 Corinthians says Jesus is a man.
So much that you can't deny it but people do.
Jesus isn't God, he is the only begotten son of God the Father.
 
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garee

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DJ777 said:
Exactly right. Jesus Christ is Lord, TO THE GLORY of God the Father.
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To the Glory of the father or the Glory of a lamb as that seen? Can't serve two glories .
 
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garee said:
Again Jesus the Christ is not a lamb or a man.
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The Lamb and Son of Man are titles of Christ garee. It is not speaking literally of him being a Lamb.

You should know this.
 
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DJ777 said:
So God was tempted by evil even though the bible says he can't be.
And Jesus cannot be our mediator between God and man because you said he is God.
And God is eternal yet Jesus died.
And numbers says God is not a man or the son of man yet 1 Corinthians says Jesus is a man.
So much that you can't deny it but people do.
Jesus isn't God, he is the only begotten son of God the Father.
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Jesus as the Christ not seen is demonstrated by the temporal flesh of the Son of man . Son of man the temporal, as that seen. Son of God the eternal not seen . It was necessary that God come in flesh typified as sinfull in rder to ut way sin in the flesh . He could not come as a theophany as he did as Melchizedek. (no literal) flesh . When he left he informs us we know him no more forever more after that seen . The glory as the Son of God returned to where it was before the demonstration .

I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.Joh 17:4


God who is not a man as us could never die . Its why he poured out his unseen spirit on the flesh just as he promised in Joel . as he informs us his flesh profited for nothing . It's what demonstrations do best signify.

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

No more demonstrations are needed.

2Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

God is not a man as us never was never could be.
 
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DJ777 said:
Exactly right. Jesus Christ is Lord, TO THE GLORY of God the Father.
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Therefore know this day, and consider it in your heart, that the Lord Himself is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other.

If the Lord himself is God.....and there is no other......and Jesus is declared Lord of all......who is Jesus?
 
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DJ777 said:
So God was tempted by evil even though the bible says he can't be.
And Jesus cannot be our mediator between God and man because you said he is God.
And God is eternal yet Jesus died.
And numbers says God is not a man or the son of man yet 1 Corinthians says Jesus is a man.
So much that you can't deny it but people do.
Jesus isn't God, he is the only begotten son of God the Father.
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You are getting yourself all tangled in confusion by trying to understand things of the Spirit with your mind of flesh. There is no point in my being soft about this. Jesus is both man and God. That is the very point of Messiah and why there can only be one. He is utterly unique. This isn't a point that can be compromised. If you don't accept Jesus as God you have no salvation and are in a dangerous position spiritually. Please don't leave yourself exposed like this. Pray and ask Jesus to reveal himself to you.
 
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DJ777

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Jesus is Son of God. Lord is just a title as in Lord of the manor or Lord of his house.
God is the Lord God.
Jesus is the Lord Jesus Christ.
It doesn't mean just because you've said Lord that they are the same person. Just like saying two people named Peter must be the same person.
That's illogical and untrue.
Jesus even uses the name Lord in his parables, doesn't mean that It was God he was talking about. It's just a title like master is just a title.
 
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DJ777 said:
Jesus is Son of God. Lord is just a title as in Lord of the manor or Lord of his house.
God is the Lord God.
Jesus is the Lord Jesus Christ.
It doesn't mean just because you've said Lord that they are the same person. Just like saying two people named Peter must be the same person.
That's illogical and untrue.
Jesus even uses the name Lord in his parables, doesn't mean that It was God he was talking about. It's just a title like master is just a title.
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But you are ignoring piles of scripture with that line of reasoning.
 
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DJ777

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Yes heard that before, oh if you don't believe the trinity or Jesus is God you can't be a Christian and your not saved.
This is heresy as Paul says clearly in the epistles.
Salvation is in Jesus Christ not a belief.
Knowing the truth comes from a relationship with God the Father.
If you don't know the truth you will know little about God. It's only by knowing the truth that you build a relationship with God.
 
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DJ777

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Really and you deny clear verses the same.
Explain to me why God says he is not human nor the son of man when the bible says clearly Jesus is a man.
Numbers 23:19
1 Corinthians 15:21
If Jesus is God explain why these verses say different
 
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DJ777

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Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent
1 Corinthians15:21
or since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
 
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Hi LibrarianLeo,

That would be a definite no! There is no second chances for salvation after a person dies without Christ. If there was, there would be no one in Hades and not one going to the lake of fire.

First of all, prior to Christ's resurrection, all of the OT saint's, when they died, their spirits went to Sheol/Hades, which is that place where Abraham and Lazarus were under the earth, which across from that place of torment in flame where the rich man went to. After his resurrection, Jesus took their spirits/souls out of Sheol and took them to heaven. Now when a believer dies, their spirit departs from their bodies and goes immediately to be in the presence of Christ.

If everyone had a second chance after experiencing the torment in flame in Sheol/Hades, I guarantee you that Sheol/Hades would be empty and no one would ever enter the lake of fire.
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Thanks for the personal guarantee, but if you read the story, the rich man doesn't even
question why he is there, and staying there in torment.

30‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone is sent to them from the dead, they will repent.’31Then Abraham said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

So according to this, everyone does get a second chance, but is still not persuaded. Seems fair.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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God struck down sinners and Jesus forgave them and gave them a second chance...it’s like a split personality I’m trying to grasp
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If you look at the Old Testament, God did not start punishing people until there was nothing left (ie all means of hope had been lost (remember, Isreal as a baby lived in Egypt for 400 years because as God said, the SIN OF THE AMORITE has not yet been complete.

Also. Look at the tribulation period. Jesus will be who he was in the OT (they are the same by the way) except then, it will be like it has never been on earth.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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LibrarianLeo said:
Jesus visited those waiting in hell for 3 days. So they and perhaps everyone, gets a second chance.
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Jesus did not give them a second chance, He took paradise to heaven with him, and told those in Hades, he sealed their fate.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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DJ777 said:
Authorized bible or KJV
No other bibles are as accurate.
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Ignore ignorant posts like this. It does nothing to add to the question of the OP.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes because Jesus isn't God.
They are separate just like your father isn't your brother.
Jesus died out of love and obedience to the Father.
God in the old testament only had judgement because the ultimate price for sin hadn't been paid yet, which was Christ.
Because of God's perfectness He cannot look upon sin, therefore judgement was His only possible action. That's why Israel had so many laws to abide by.
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if you think Jesus is not God, you are in deeper trouble than people can help.

Jesus is the god of the Old Testament, anyone who studies the OT can see this.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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DJ777 said:
The NLT bible says Jesus didn't die for all sins as some sins don't need to be forgiven
And the message bible the Lord's prayer, it's actually directed to the devil.
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Jesus himself said all sin will be forgiven all men, but one, Blasphemy of the spirit. The only sin which did not get paid for is the sin of unbelief,

if he did not die for all other sin, whoever commits those sins will get an automatic pass to hell which can not be removed, because they will have to pay for their own sin,.
 
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This is so sad. A man came and asked a legitimate question. And it was turned into a “is jesus God argument”

It should have been left alone, taken too another thread or whatever, I pray if this is not a person is truly seeking for biblical truth, He ignores all the arguments and people will actually start to respond to him.. I mean really, 5 pages of posts. And how many actually have to deal with the op??
 
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DJ777 said:
Yes heard that before, oh if you don't believe the trinity or Jesus is God you can't be a Christian and your not saved.
This is heresy as Paul says clearly in the epistles.
Salvation is in Jesus Christ not a belief.
Knowing the truth comes from a relationship with God the Father.
If you don't know the truth you will know little about God. It's only by knowing the truth that you build a relationship with God.
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No, denying Jesus is God is the heresy. You don't have a relationship to The Father if you deny who Jesus is.


You can start your own cult if you want to. But it isn't Christianity.
 
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garee

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eternally-gratefull said:
Jesus himself said all sin will be forgiven all men, but one, Blasphemy of the spirit. The only sin which did not get paid for is the sin of unbelief,

if he did not die for all other sin, whoever commits those sins will get an automatic pass to hell which can not be removed, because they will have to pay for their own sin,.
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Amen, blasphemy against the Son of man as that seen was forgiven over and over. We can see that working with Peter, "the greatest denier". Over and over Christ in effect said you are forgiven sin no more .Christ cannot deny he paid the full wage even when like Peter repeated a matter .

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mat 16:22


 
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