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    Default In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    God struck down sinners and Jesus forgave them and gave them a second chance...it’s like a split personality I’m trying to grasp

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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    Not really.....grace is found woven throughout the whole bible...beginning in the garden when God made coverings for ADAM and EVE by shedding the blood of animals and all the way up through the end when the angel of the Lord flies through heaven calling for the people to repent.......in the OT God seemed harsh, but lest we forget he was establishing the guilt of mankind on a whole and there are numerous truths that must be taken into account when we ponder what you have said....

    a. God sees the hearts of men....HE knows who will repent and who will not and or if it was sincere
    b. God showed mercy many times when his law had deemed guilt and death (David should have died under the law)
    c. God is God and shews mercy to whom he desires to shew mercy
    d. Some sins are so grievous they require a harsh response at times
    e. Men love darkness and will not come to the light
    f. Jesus was here to save the world not condemn it
    g. Jesus was here to do his work because it was his Father's will

    etc..........there is a balance and all things must be taken into consideration.....

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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    Jesus is the one who brings judgement on the wicked as well as the one who forgives those who earnestly repent. We are given the Lion/Lamb picture of Messiah to illustrate this.

    Father God disciplines but he also comforts and rescues his people. It's in the relationship. If you rebel against God in spite of his offer of forgiveness and reject him then you will have to suffer his wrath. He is the SAME person. It's the relation you have to God that makes the difference.
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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    Hi Dinopaul,

    That's a good question, and its a question Christian and non christians seem to ask. We have to remember that Jesus Himself is God. So what God does throughout history is the work of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    The question of Gods judgement in relational to the Old Testament is that he did the Judging there and then (also with a future element), in the New testament era (then, now and future) full judgement is being held back until the allotted time when Christ comes back. But judgement there will be.

    I hope with this and the other answers above the answer to your question may be a bit clearer.
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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    When you really think about it Dino, God showed mankind the ultimate manner of grace and mercy by sending his one and only son Jesus to die in place of our sins, because the Lord knew, that no amount of sacrifice could make us completely clean of our sins, except that of his son, who was the perfect sacrifice, the Messiah, the Lamb. God knew that if he did not send his son in the stead of our sins, no man nor woman would ever make it to heaven on their own merit, because man's sin is worldwide, it's part of our nature, and having Jesus as our veil, was the ultimate act of mercy God could truly ever show the world.

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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by DinoPaul218 View Post
    God struck down sinners and Jesus forgave them and gave them a second chance...it’s like a split personality I’m trying to grasp
    God and Jesus are in complete agreement. As two parts of the trinity they are never of different minds.So while the NT may seem to make Jesus more compassionate He is 100% in tune with the will of the Father and does His will.

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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by DinoPaul218 View Post
    God struck down sinners and Jesus forgave them and gave them a second chance...it’s like a split personality I’m trying to grasp
    Jesus/Yashua the SON of God came with a new Testament/Covenant/Age...of Love and Grace....and for all mankind that is our first real chance of learning the way to salvation. Things are done different in the NT...there is no confusion, only a change !

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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    I am reading through the gospels currently; there are several instances where Jesus seems quite harsh, and he's always uncompromising. And as has been said, the OT God was very gracious at times to His children. Sometimes, that grace takes strange forms that we A.D. believers don't really even understand.

    I think uncompromising is a good word; a word that links both God the Father in the OT and God the Son in the NT. Sin is sin, and can only be forgiven through grace. Common theme throughout.
    “If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our dead bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about their knees, imploring them to stay. If Hell must be filled, let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go unwarned and unprayed for.”
    ~Charles Spurgeon

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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    Yes because Jesus isn't God.
    They are separate just like your father isn't your brother.
    Jesus died out of love and obedience to the Father.
    God in the old testament only had judgement because the ultimate price for sin hadn't been paid yet, which was Christ.
    Because of God's perfectness He cannot look upon sin, therefore judgement was His only possible action. That's why Israel had so many laws to abide by.

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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by DinoPaul218 View Post
    God struck down sinners and Jesus forgave them and gave them a second chance...it’s like a split personality I’m trying to grasp
    D...,

    First..what bible are you using?

    Yes, that is important....some of the new age religion ones have distorted G-d's word so bad that one can be miss led.

    Let me suggest the 1611 KJV edition. After studying it..see if you have the same question on your mind.
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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    Authorized bible or KJV
    No other bibles are as accurate.

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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by DinoPaul218 View Post
    God struck down sinners and Jesus forgave them and gave them a second chance...it’s like a split personality I’m trying to grasp
    Jesus visited those waiting in hell for 3 days. So they and perhaps everyone, gets a second chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ777 View Post
    Authorized bible or KJV
    No other bibles are as accurate.
    I don't limit myself to any translation, but look at the major translations side by side for any given scripture, as well as the Interlinear and the actual Greek or Hebrew, which are much better than the KJV.
    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no account of wrongs. Love takes no pleasure in evil, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by preston39 View Post
    D...,

    First..what bible are you using?

    Yes, that is important....some of the new age religion ones have distorted G-d's word so bad that one can be miss led.

    Let me suggest the 1611 KJV edition. After studying it..see if you have the same question on your mind.
    The Bible is the same in many translations. An integrated whole. Representing the same God in Old and New Testaments. One doesn't need a KJV to understand that.
    The term "New Age Bible" is a libellous slur and attack on The Word of God.
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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    Yes agreed I use the strongs concordance to study out meanings and word grammar and context of verses.

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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by DJ777 View Post
    Authorized bible or KJV
    No other bibles are as accurate.
    New International Version
    No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."

    New Living Translation
    We believe that we are all saved the same way, by the undeserved grace of the Lord Jesus."

    English Standard Version
    But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”

    Berean Study Bible
    On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."

    Berean Literal Bible
    But we believe ourselves to be saved by the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same manner as they also are."

    New American Standard Bible
    "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are."

    King James Bible
    But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

    Christian Standard Bible
    On the contrary, we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way they are."

    Contemporary English Version
    But we believe that we will be saved by the gift of undeserved grace from our Lord Jesus Christ, just as the Gentiles are.

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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    The message bible and NLT bible are very very wrong. I've studied out verses in them and found many lies in those bibles.

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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by DJ777 View Post
    Yes because Jesus isn't God.
    They are separate just like your father isn't your brother.
    Jesus died out of love and obedience to the Father.
    God in the old testament only had judgement because the ultimate price for sin hadn't been paid yet, which was Christ.
    Because of God's perfectness He cannot look upon sin, therefore judgement was His only possible action. That's why Israel had so many laws to abide by.
    Quote Originally Posted by DJ777 View Post
    The message bible and NLT bible are very very wrong. I've studied out verses in them and found many lies in those bibles.
    I haven't personally read those two translations but if they are contradicting your claim [above] that "Jesus isn't God", then guess what? They are correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibrarianLeo View Post
    Jesus visited those waiting in hell for 3 days. So they and perhaps everyone, gets a second chance.
    Hi LibrarianLeo,

    That would be a definite no! There is no second chances for salvation after a person dies without Christ. If there was, there would be no one in Hades and not one going to the lake of fire.

    First of all, prior to Christ's resurrection, all of the OT saint's, when they died, their spirits went to Sheol/Hades, which is that place where Abraham and Lazarus were under the earth, which across from that place of torment in flame where the rich man went to. After his resurrection, Jesus took their spirits/souls out of Sheol and took them to heaven. Now when a believer dies, their spirit departs from their bodies and goes immediately to be in the presence of Christ.

    If everyone had a second chance after experiencing the torment in flame in Sheol/Hades, I guarantee you that Sheol/Hades would be empty and no one would ever enter the lake of fire.
    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no account of wrongs. Love takes no pleasure in evil, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

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    Default Re: In the Bible why is Jesus more forgiving than God if they are one in the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by DJ777 View Post
    The message bible and NLT bible are very very wrong. I've studied out verses in them and found many lies in those bibles.
    Wehn wdros hvae mupitlle megninas, tratalsning bemoces a tguoh jbo. Plpoee see waht tehy wnat to see.

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