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    Default Revelation 22:8

    When John bowed down, he intended to bow down to who he thought was God. But it was Jesus

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdyloves View Post
    When John bowed down, he intended to bow down to who he thought was God. But it was Jesus
    John was attempting to bow before an angel not Jesus - yer doing very well with the demotion of Jesus are ya?

    Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locutus View Post
    John was attempting to bow before an angel not Jesus - yer doing very well with the demotion of Jesus are ya?

    Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
    What r u talking about. Like anyone that walks this earth had the ability or right to demote OR promote Jesus

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    This was the second time John bowed down and was prohibited, there is a difference in the two incidents. It is not recorded here that John fell down to "worship the angel"; therefore, it must be concluded that John intended to "worship God". Otherwise, we would have to suppose that John deliberately disobeyed the prohibition mentioned on the first occasion. John did not merely forget what he had been commanded. No! this was something different. In this event, he was directing the worship to God

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdyloves View Post
    This was the second time John bowed down and was prohibited, there is a difference in the two incidents. It is not recorded here that John fell down to "worship the angel"; therefore, it must be concluded that John intended to "worship God". Otherwise, we would have to suppose that John deliberately disobeyed the prohibition mentioned on the first occasion. John did not merely forget what he had been commanded. No! this was something different. In this event, he was directing the worship to God
    Revelation 22: KJV
    8 "And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things."

    It was Not Jesus ... It was an Angel that John started to worship.... Stop trying to twist scripture..

    Jesus was worshipped on multiple occasions when he was on earth and every time He never admonished them for worshipping Him..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adstar View Post
    Revelation 22: KJV
    8 "And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things."

    It was Not Jesus ... It was an Angel that John started to worship.... Stop trying to twist scripture..

    Jesus was worshipped on multiple occasions when he was on earth and every time He never admonished them for worshipping Him..
    Matthew 19:16
    Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
    17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”


    By the way I never said the word admonished

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    [QUOTE=gdyloves;3448787]Matthew 19:16
    Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
    17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

    Hello gdyloves,

    Regarding the scripture that you used above, Jesus was not rebuking the man for calling him good, but was confirming himself as being God. Allow me to paraphrase for you:

    Actual scripture
    "So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

    Paraphrase

    "Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. Therefore, since you call me good, and only God is good, then realize who you're speaking with."

    I would also remind you regarding the following prophecy regarding Christ:

    "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."

    Yours in Chirst!
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    [QUOTE=Ahwatukee;3448797]
    Quote Originally Posted by gdyloves View Post
    Matthew 19:16
    Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
    17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

    Hello gdyloves,

    Regarding the scripture that you used above, Jesus was not rebuking the man for calling him good, but was confirming himself as being God. Allow me to paraphrase for you:

    Actual scripture
    "So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

    Paraphrase

    "Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. Therefore, since you call me good, and only God is good, then realize who you're speaking with."

    I would also remind you regarding the following prophecy regarding Christ:

    "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."

    Yours in Chirst!
    Come on now really, you know better then to add your own words.

    Rev. 22:18
    For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

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    Default Re: Revelation 22:8

    Quote Originally Posted by gdyloves View Post
    Matthew 19:16
    Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
    17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
    Matt 19:16-17
    Source: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words: Good

    (Strong's #18 — Adjective — agathos — ag-ath-os)

    <A-1,Adjective,18,agathos> describes that which, being "good" in its character or constitution, is beneficial in its effect; it is used in Matt. 19:17; Mark 10:18; Luke 18:19:

    (b) in a moral sense, frequently of persons and things. God is essentially, absolutely and consummately "good,"

    Matt 19:
    16 Behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, """what good thing shall I do""" """that I may have eternal life?"""
    (NOTE: What shall """I DO""" that I may have eternal life)

    POINTE 1: The young ruler believed he could """DO""" something to earn eternal life. As if eternal life could be inherited by some act of goodness. Typical, error among, by works doctrine promoters.

    17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

    POINT 2: No Jewish Rabbi/Teacher/Good Master/Doctor of the Law. Was called “good” by their pupils in direct address. Traditionally, the adjective ‘good’ was retained for speaking about God. Reread Vines definition above .

    Romans 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

    32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

    POINTE 3: The young ruler promoting, by works doctrine, LITERALLY stumbled at that stumblingstone;

    33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
    (NOTE: Whosoever what? >>> Believed! Put their faith on/in HIM & HIS work. Not thier own works)

    FINAL POINT: Verse context is about the questioner's eternal life, not Christ's divinity Jesus answer places the young, rich questioner in checkmate. When he exposes the young mans heart. Is fixed on his riches/wealth, not on God or Gods will.
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    Default Re: Revelation 22:8

    Quote Originally Posted by gdyloves View Post
    Matthew 19:16
    Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
    17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”


    By the way I never said the word admonished

    gdyloves, I agree with FlyingDove Jesus was just putting the rich young questioner in his place. It had nothing to do with His divinity. Adster was right, had that angel been Jesus: He would allow the worship. Jesus is God. Every bit as much as the Father is God. Jesus walked somewhat humbly while on earth, as a man, to set an example for us. I hope this helps.
    Romans 8:28: “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,
    to them who are the called according to His purpose.”

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    [QUOTE=gdyloves;3449026]
    Quote Originally Posted by Ahwatukee View Post

    Come on now really, you know better then to add your own words.

    Rev. 22:18
    For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
    Very true, ahwatukee, especially in the manner that gdy has done.


    ,"whisitle".

    I suppose there are few stragglers around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gdyloves View Post
    When John bowed down, he intended to bow down to who he thought was God. But it was Jesus
    at the end of Revelation, Jesus has the title Alpha and Omega. In the King James bible. Jesus has the title at the beginning of Revelation. In modern Bibles which translate from the earliest manuscripts of the bible. Jesus does not have the title Alpha and Omega at the beginning of Revelation but is first and last in all bibles at the beginning and the end of Revelation. The phrase first and last is also the title of the God of Israel in Isaiah 40-44. The God of Israel is Jesus but Jesus is not the Most High God. There will never be another God of Israel (before or after me, there is no other) but the Father is the Most High God. Jesus gains the title Alpha and Omega. Jesus gains more important titles but his nature doesn't change, he is always the obedient son.

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    We obviously do not agree so ill just say this,

    If someone were to come to me and say moderator why do you allow people to argue on this website and my response were to be, "why do you call me moderator, there is only one moderator and that is John Doe" but in answer to your question.....

    what would my answer be insinuating? That I am a moderator?


    BTW-{Sorry Moderator I don't know your name}
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    Quote Originally Posted by gdyloves View Post
    What r u talking about. Like anyone that walks this earth had the ability or right to demote OR promote Jesus
    It was the way you worded your OP that raised some questions. From Rev 22:8,9, it would appear that John almost fell down to worship an angel, not Christ. Therefore the angel said "Worship God". Perhaps John was simply overwhelmed and did not even realize what he was about to do (just like the disciples at the Transfiguration). Now had this personage been Jesus Himself, John would have heard no rebuke since Jesus is God (see Rev 1). So do you, or do you not believe that Jesus is God and may be worshiped by men?
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    Default Re: Revelation 22:8

    Quote Originally Posted by gdyloves View Post
    Matthew 19:16
    Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
    17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”


    By the way I never said the word admonished
    So since you never commented on the scripture you posted i can only assume you are trying to use it to prove that Jesus was not Divine.. You are one who rejects the belief Jesus is God yes?..

    But i will comment on the scripture...

    Jesus knew that the man who was talking to him looked upon Jesus as being a human teacher... The Man did not know that Jesus is LORD .. So Jesus was not denying His divinity when He simply asked the man ""Why do you call Me Good?" He was asking the man why was he was calling a person he believed was a mere man good when only God was good.. Now the man could have replied if he has the knowledge,,, I call you good because you are my Lord and my God, which is what the Apostle tomas declared to Jesus after He was reasurected..

    (John 20:26-29) "¶ And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. {27} Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. {28} And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. {29} Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."

    So the verses you quoted in Matthew 19 are not Jesus denying that He was Good.. Jesus was God and without Sin..


    (Hebrews 4:14-15) "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. {15} For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."

    So yes Jesus was indeed Good...

    Jesus and the Father are One..

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    Rev_22:9
    Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not:
    for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.



    thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets,


    Matthew 22:29
    Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
    30 For
    in the resurrectionthey neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.


    Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and (
    in the resurrection ) the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
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    Default Re: Revelation 22:8

    What concerns me is it "seems like" the OP is trying to say that Jesus is not God. God the Son. Or, to deny the Holy Trinity.

    Not saying it is.......just that it seems like that to me as I read through the comments here.

    Mayhaps that is the confusing point here?
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    Default Re: Revelation 22:8

    Quote Originally Posted by gdyloves View Post
    Matthew 19:16
    Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
    17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”


    By the way I never said the word admonished

    This is as an ironic rhetorical device similar to that asked in Luke 6:46, "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' but do not what I say?" and just as Jesus had known the rich young man's heart, as God knows, he didn't do what He said but, instead, just went away sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gdyloves View Post
    We obviously do not agree so ill just say this,

    If someone were to come to me and say moderator why do you allow people to argue on this website and my response were to be, "why do you call me moderator, there is only one moderator and that is John Doe" but in answer to your question.....

    what would my answer be insinuating? That I am a moderator?


    BTW-{Sorry Moderator I don't know your name}
    But, if I were the moderator, and someone came to me, although not actually regarding me as ( a good) moderator and at the same time bragging of his exemplary behavior on here provided me no grounds to warrant his banning. Though he made sure to provide the appearance of respect in giving me lip service calling me moderator though it is not his heart sentiment, because he noticed everyone else referring to me as such, while disregarding the forum guidelines... I wouldn't take his accolades seriously either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahwatukee View Post
    Actual scripture
    "So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

    Paraphrase

    "Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. Therefore, since you call me good, and only God is good, then realize who you're speaking with."

    Passage

    And when he was gone forth into the way, the rich young ruler came running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

    And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God


    Paraphrase
    And when he was gone forth into the way, the young Roman named Gaius Caesar (16 years old) came running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

    And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, Caesar.

    Mark 10 or Luke 18

    Notice that the rich young ruler came inquiring of Jesus liken to the Pharisees and Herodians who approached Jesus whether it was lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not asking shall we give, or shall we not give? (see Mark 12:14-15)

    But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me?

    However, unto Gaius he suggested that he knew the commandments, and while Gaius did not call him Good Master, he cited the Roman commandments and not the LORD's (see Duet 6) which is the reason Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest:



    Like the question regarding the tribute, when Jesus asked whose image and subscription was on the coin, they responded Caesar's. While I would have said the Son of man, since it is written to buy the truth and sell it not then I got a penny for anyone who knows who got the coin.