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NoNameMcgee

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My question is what do you believe
and why do you believe it?

Do you believe that God made Jesus to be sin?
in what sense?

we can use semantics to argue what is meant here

Jesus made in the flesh
but He was around before that
He is God


and made to be sin?
in the sense He who knew NO sin
took all of the sins of the WORLD in full

paid the price and took all sin

in order that whosoever believes on Him can be saved
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Quote a verse and I will tell you if i believe it and why I do or do not.
Then we can discuss it. And see if you believe it or not and why or not.
i believe them all
:)


if you dont believe one you can tell me

and ill try to shine some light on it for you
 
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Gracie_14

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in what sense? we can use semantics to argue what is meant here Jesus made in the flesh but He was around before that He is God and made to be sin? in the sense He who knew NO sin took all of the sins of the WORLD in full paid the price and took all sin in order that whosoever believes on Him can be saved
amen to that bro :D
 

RgM

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I do not believe that God made Jesus to be sin.
But I have already stated this on this thread.
 

RgM

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i believe them all
:)


if you dont believe one you can tell me

and ill try to shine some light on it for you
Like you have already?

What I believe is all over this thread.

I would think even a blind man could find it.
 

notuptome

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Confess to me that you believe that God made Jesus to be sin.
Confess to you? Surely you jest. I testify of the saving grace of God. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess to God.

Ro 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.


Jehovah God placed my sin upon His Son Jesus Christ. Jesus died and paid the penalty for my sin. Jesus rose bodily from the tomb victorious over death and sin.

Hebrews 10:7 ¶ Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Like you have already?

What I believe is all over this thread.

I would think even a blind man could find it.
are you upset?

im at work...

i saw on the last page you came here to discuss things...

i wanted to help

i figured if it was important to you
maybe you could ask me


in what sense do you mean

you dont believe "God made Jesus to be sin"
 

RgM

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Confess to you? Surely you jest. I testify of the saving grace of God. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess to God.

Ro 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.


Jehovah God placed my sin upon His Son Jesus Christ. Jesus died and paid the penalty for my sin. Jesus rose bodily from the tomb victorious over death and sin.

Hebrews 10:7 ¶ Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I knew you would not own up to that to which was put forth to you.
Before it was asked of you.
 
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Gracie_14

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I just noticed you are under 18. I do not want to discuss anything with you because of it.
oh wow...so, now my age discriminates me to speak now...that's pathetic. why do i bother saying anything to a typical ignorant troll like you?
 

RgM

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are you upset?

im at work...

i saw on the last page you came here to discuss things...

i wanted to help

i figured if it was important to you
maybe you could ask me


in what sense do you mean

you dont believe "God made Jesus to be sin"
Here I will help you out again....

I Do Not Believe That God Made Jesus to Be sin in any sense or text or shape or form.

Let's start there...teach me.
 

RgM

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oh wow...so, now my age discriminates me to speak now...that's pathetic. why do i bother saying anything to a typical ignorant troll like you?
Because you are you and not me.
 

notuptome

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I knew you would not own up to that to which was put forth to you.
Before it was asked of you.
The same will be required of you before the great white throne judgment. You will confess to God. If you have not confessed your sin to Christ you will be cast into the lake of fire.

God will not respect your opinion but will hold you accountable to His word.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Here I will help you out again....

I Do Not Believe That God Made Jesus to Be sin in any sense or text or shape or form.

Let's start there...teach me.
ok

do you not believe Jesus took every sin within Himself as a perfect blood sacrifice having no sin Himself

in order to be the propitiation for sin to whosoever believes on His name?
 

RgM

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The same will be required of you before the great white throne judgment. You will confess to God. If you have not confessed your sin to Christ you will be cast into the lake of fire.

God will not respect your opinion but will hold you accountable to His word.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
You will surely get what you deserve for God is not a respecter of persons.
I wouldn't want God to reward you less than what you deserve for that would not be righteous.
 

RgM

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ok

do you not believe Jesus took every sin within Himself as a perfect blood sacrifice having no sin Himself

in order to be the propitiation for sin to whosoever believes on His name?
I already told you what I believe. Start there.
 

trofimus

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Do you believe Jesus is sin?
Paul is talking in a short theological way, some English translations translate Paul's words too literally and thats why the confusion can arise.

I would recommend you to read some more free translation, if you are new to Christianity.

For example:

New Living Translation
"For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ."

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Christ said "I am the door", for example. But that does not mean that He is door technically, it has some other, longer meaning. It was common in those times to make such shortages.
 

RgM

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Paul is talking in a short theological way, some English translations translate Paul's words too literally and thats why the confusion can arise.

I would recommend you to read some more free translation, if you are new to Christianity.

For example:

New Living Translation
"For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ."
In plain simple English I will ask you this question.

Do you believe that God made Jesus to be sin?
(Every word means exactly as I worded it in English.)
 
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NoNameMcgee

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I already told you what I believe. Start there.
you told me what you dont believe....

one tiny aspect of it...
im trying to understand where youre coming from
 
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