“The Law is bad”

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I have yet to see anyone advocating Sabbath day worship, keep it as it is spelled out in the Ten Commandments. They go to the Law that Jesus fulfilled and use it to justify their worship.

Keeping the Sabbath is simple.

Exodus 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Sunday is a day that most people choose to worship a risen Savior. They do not use it to observe the Sabbath.

Sabbath worship is not Savior worship. It is worshiping a day, not a Savior.

If you wish to observe the Sabbath, rest. Then get up Sunday morning and worship the Savior that makes it possible to enter that rest.
 
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Keep responding to him like you are and he will start to attack you and lie about you.. He is just like the rest of them.. I have a few on ignore now sadly. I just can not put up with nonsense anymore..
I'd report him for that, but he seems immune from discipline.
 
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all through the books of Acts shows Paul keeling the sabbath with Greeks and Jews
keeping it the way the churhc keeps it, or the way it was intended? Paul also later said that one should not argue about keeping sabbaths
 
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I have yet to see anyone advocating Sabbath day worship, keep it as it is spelled out in the Ten Commandments. They go to the Law that Jesus fulfilled and use it to justify their worship.

Keeping the Sabbath is simple.

Exodus 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Sunday is a day that most people choose to worship a risen Savior. They do not use it to observe the Sabbath.

Sabbath worship is not Savior worship. It is worshiping a day, not a Savior.

If you wish to observe the Sabbath, rest. Then get up Sunday morning and worship the Savior that makes it possible to enter that rest.
yes, this is the sabbath, not what day you go to church/.
 
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I have yet to see anyone advocating Sabbath day worship, keep it as it is spelled out in the Ten Commandments. They go to the Law that Jesus fulfilled and use it to justify their worship.

Keeping the Sabbath is simple.

Exodus 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Sunday is a day that most people choose to worship a risen Savior. They do not use it to observe the Sabbath.

Sabbath worship is not Savior worship. It is worshiping a day, not a Savior.

If you wish to observe the Sabbath, rest. Then get up Sunday morning and worship the Savior that makes it possible to enter that rest.
It really is not hard for those who Love Jesus in the NEW Testament. By the time Jesus ad come the Jews had placed so many man made traditions around the Sabbath that it had become a burden to keep for the people. So much though it was as if the man was creater for the Sabbath.

Jesus taught in the NEW Testament that this was not the case. He was the creator and Lord of the Sabbath and that the Sabbath was made for mankind and NOT man for the Sabbath and that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

It is a very simple commandmnet under the New Covenant. The 7th day of the week is a HOLY day. No work is to be done on this day, Set the whole day aside (friday sunset to Saturday sunset) remember the God of creation on this day. Simple to those who love him... This is God's 4th Commandment.

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[FONT=&quot]There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we

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The Origin of Sunday Worship for Christianity is from the Mother Church of REV 17:5 (Roman Catholic Church)

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keeping it the way the churhc keeps it, or the way it was intended? Paul also later said that one should not argue about keeping sabbaths
God made a day holy. Can man make any thing holy?...no. But we can profan somthing with our traditions.
The laws that Moses added to the 10 commandments for Israel, things like divorce. Jesus tells us it was added because hardness of hearts. So all the rules you see about the sabbath came from Moses. The 10 commandments are not to be thrown out because you don’t like what Moses made. You simply you leave out what was added to the 10 commandments.
 
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Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8), was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), and "walked with God" before he built the ark. His obedience was a demonstration of his faith, not the origin of it. Building the ark demonstrated his faith and saved him and his family (physically) from drowning (Hebrews 11:17). Hebrews 11:1 - Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Faith is that Noah believed God and doing what God commanded Noah to do (build the ark) afterwards is works. Too many people don't seem to make a distinction between faith "and" works and end taking "both" faith and works, wrapping them both up in a package and simply sampling "faith" on the package.

In Hebrews 11, notice in all of these occurrences that is was "by" or "out of" faith, not faith is in essence, these acts of obedience/works. In all of these occurrences their faith was genuine and it was shown by their actions (works) so all of these works accomplished in Hebrews 11 were done "by" or "out of" faith, but those works are not the essence of faith, only the evidence (fruit) of faith. That is absolutely critical to understand! We are saved through faith at it's origin and not at some time later, based on the merit of works. *Faith is the root of salvation and works which follow are the fruit. *No fruit at all demonstrates there is no root.

Nobody is saying that faith does not result in following God's instructions (works) but we are still saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:2-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9 etc..).

Yes, by or "out of" faith Abraham obeyed, yet that is not the end of the story and it was not until Genesis 15:5 that God brought Abraham outside and said, "Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them." And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” In verse 6, we see that Abraham believed in the Lord and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness.

Works are the fruit, by product and demonstrative evidence of genuine faith, but not the essence of faith and not the means of our salvation.

What are the instructions of Jesus to receive eternal life? (John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is God's will for us to receive eternal life? John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

*Not to be confused with His instructions for us AFTER we have been saved through faith.

1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Faith believes and results in acts of obedience/works yet faith is faith and acts of obedience which follow are works.

as usual a circle. faith will either do the works, or it wont. thats what determines salvation not saying " im saved by faith" but realizing faith that saves does what the Lord says :)


were saved by grace " <<<< thats like a slogan, it doesnt explain anything, its like saying " Love thy neighbor" it doesnt explain what love is to say " Love" thats why you have to accept the Word of God ....otherwise its like a campaign poster, a slogan"

Noah was also saved by Grace, it doesnt matter what He had donr beforehand that makes zero difference. Gods Grace to Noah, was to warn Him of the coming destruction. then Noah Brelieved what God said, even though He didnt actually see the floodwaters coming yet, He trusted God was telling the truth. thats faith, it has to come from Gods word, not gospel of grace books lol....


you are quoting true verses, you fail to understand, those verses are part of a message, thry do not omit the rest. Grace is Good, man was made in Gods grace. adam did nothing to earn any blessing God gave him, but faith is in no way able to then be argued, that there is no work to be done. thats what faith does friend, it moves mountains. its a circle always with you.


someone says " gotta obey God, Jesus said we gotts obey Him"

then the goggers " nope no works necassary. paul said were saved by Grace not by works, this means nothing to do now were all saved"

Gods grace is the reason for everything good and true. that does not in any way change the things He commands mankind to do. when Grace is the explaination why nothing is rewuired, yet Jesus sets all the requirements, actually your argument " nothing you have to do" is in deirect oppoeition if Jesus who says " it is not those who call me Lord Lord...but those who do the will of My Father is Heaven.


the whole doctrine of Grace changing any aspect of Gods word is corrupt. its found in His gospel. otherwise you just have the word Grace. and the doctrine " were saved by Grace" and then run in circles explaining why that is the end all verse lol when its the foundation only, the source only. God has always offered Grace to man. some believed His word and Lived others denied His Word and died, sort of from the beginning to the end its that way. grace is not the reason no one needs to do what God says, its supposed to teach you to do what right Like God has already said.


when one verse omits the rest thers no way to stay on course. Faith and obedience are not seperable. as so many try to do. faith believes that God IS, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him <<<< thats our duty to Believe He is, and to seek Him diligently. saying grace grace" while jp teaches its salvation, its actually a silly omission based on the day Gopd told Him " anything that you need to so, just isnt grace" and then looks at the bible with the lens " unwarranted favor for you" which of sourse translates " nothing God teaches anyone to actually do, applies because theres the new gospel of grace"


a circle just ends in the same place it starts.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The word rest in the book of Heb is not the same word for sabbath rest meaning the day.
WHats that have to do with what’s I said?
 
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God made a day holy. Can man make any thing holy?...no. But we can profan somthing with our traditions.
The laws that Moses added to the 10 commandments for Israel, things like divorce. Jesus tells us it was added because hardness of hearts. So all the rules you see about the sabbath came from Moses. The 10 commandments are not to be thrown out because you don’t like what Moses made. You simply you leave out what was added to the 10 commandments.

Again, God made a day of rest. Not what the church calls the sabbath The sabbath day was not a day to go to church and do all these churchy things, it was a day to rest, and get rejuvenated and get ready for the new work week.

thats why we all need it, rest our minds as well as ours bodies. Thats why God said it was made for man.
 
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Galatains 5
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Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21, Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

WHAT IS THE WORKS OF THR FLESH?

STRONGS FLESH G4561 σάρξ sarx (sarx') n. 1. flesh (as stripped of the skin). 2. (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food).
3. (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred). 4. (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions). 5. (specially) a human being (as such). [probably from the base of G4563] KJV: carnal (-ly, + -ly minded), flesh(-ly) Root(s): G4563
The WORKS OF THE FLESH in CONTEXT of Galatains 5 is the WORKS or the actions or deeds of the CARNAL HUMAN NATURE with all its PASSIONS which is Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like:

6/10 God's Commandments NOT listed in Pauls works of the flesh

1st,
Have other God's (Exodus 20:3)
3rd. Use God's name in vain, (Exodus 20:7)
4th, Forget God's Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11)
5th, Dishonor your father and mother (Exodus 20:12)
8th, Steal (Exodus 20:15)
9th, Lie (Exodus 20:16)

So according to your reasoning in your post above it is ok to break 6/10 Commandments because they are not mentioned as being in the list of the works of the flesh listed by Paul?

hmmm.. not going to look good for you come Judgement day.....

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..

1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……

1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Pet 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Pet 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Pet 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Pet 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Pet 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Pet 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Pet 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Pet 3:5-14)

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)


Well my friend it seems like Jesus, James, Peter, Paul and John all agree together that God's LAW (10 Commandments) are still in force today in the New Covenant.

According to you gb9, Jesus, James, Peter, Paul and John all lying and God's Word is not true?

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10).

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

thats just it the ten commandments are eternally valid, we Keep them through the gospel. the law of moses, that sentances sinners to immediate death, that rewuires over 300 individual tittles and ordinances those things are all fulfilled. in order that through Christ we walk in the commandments without the hindrance and condemnation of the mosaic Laws governance. the gospel absolutely upholds the validity of the ten commandments, it equallymoves away from the book of the mosaic Law. replaced By the Gospels mediation of the ten commandments the covenant Law of God.
 

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Again, God made a day of rest. Not what the church calls the sabbath The sabbath day was not a day to go to church and do all these churchy things, it was a day to rest, and get rejuvenated and get ready for the new work week.

thats why we all need it, rest our minds as well as ours bodies. Thats why God said it was made for man.
The 4th commandment tells us to keep it holy! And when. And how.
 
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The 4th commandment tells us to keep it holy! And when. And how.
Again, What doesn’t hits have to do with what I said.?
Do you ever listen to what people say?

The sabbath is not church day, IT IS REST DAY, Those who REST keep it holy, because he rested. THOSE WHO DO NOT REST do not keep it holy.

The reason for the sabbath is because this body of ours was not made to work 7 days a week. It needs a day to rest. As do our minds.

None of the passages you post refut that.
 

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Again, What doesn’t hits have to do with what I said.?
Do you ever listen to what people say?

The sabbath is not church day, IT IS REST DAY, Those who REST keep it holy, because he rested. THOSE WHO DO NOT REST do not keep it holy.

The reason for the sabbath is because this body of ours was not made to work 7 days a week. It needs a day to rest. As do our minds.

None of the passages you post refut that.
Follow it the same way Jesus did. Paul etc..
 
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Follow it the same way Jesus did. Paul etc..
What makes you think I am not. Are you?

ps. They did not go to churhc on sabbath day, They rested.

Sabbath is not the religious ceremony That SDA and other legalistic churches say it is. it was not even the religious ceremony that Isreal was practicing in Jesus day.
 

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What makes you think I am not. Are you?

ps. They did not go to churhc on sabbath day, They rested.

Sabbath is not the religious ceremony That SDA and other legalistic churches say it is. it was not even the religious ceremony that Isreal was practicing in Jesus day.
Looks like he went to church to me