ANIMAL SACRIFICES to resume FOR US in the future!

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This is true for the Church, yet it continues to be posted when discussing future Israel on earth AFTER the second coming of Christ. So clearly it is a misapplication of Scripture. During the Church Age (which is ongoing at present) God makes no distinction between Jews and Gentiles. All the unsaved are lost and all the redeemed are in Christ, therefore in the Body of Christ the Church. But after the second coming of Christ, all prophecies pertaining to a redeemed, restored, and regenerated Israel will be fulfilled. While we do not understand why there will be a temple and animal sacrifices, we cannot deny that that has been prophesied.

Hello,

What "church age" ?

The church = "ekklesia" = the assembly at Sinai (Ac. 7:38) = Israel.

The church is Israel.

Christians are grafted into ISRAEL (Eph. 2:12; Jer. 31).

There need be no distinction between the corporate "church" and the "Israel" who accepts the Messiah.

You've got an unbiblical distinction between "church" and "Israel" going on in your mind, it appears.

maybe we can chat about this...

blessings...
 
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Jeremiah 31:31-34 (ESV)
The New Covenant
31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Thank you!

And what does TORAH (Jer. 31:33) require?

Animal sacrifices!

Thus, animal sacrifices and the New Covenant are consistent.

blessings...
 
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Hosea 6:6 (TLB)
6 “I don’t want your sacrifices—I want your love; I don’t want your offerings—I want you to know me.
Hello,

That's an imprecise and inaccurate translation..

God does not oppose His own commandments.

That would be silly.

Rather, God prefers obedience to His commandments rather than ongoing sin (and the associated sacrifices required by Torah which result from sin).

But what do God's commandments require? Animal sacrifices! Yes, ongoing animal sacrifices are required in the tabernacle/temple, even if a particular individual does not sin today (or tomorrow, or all next summer).

Let's be careful not to misuse imprecise and inaccurate translations.

blessings...
 
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The promise is he would come "once" in the temporal corrupted flesh. and those who believe not are shown as antichrists

The veil is rent. Are you saying he will be born again of the corrupted flesh as in reincarnation?

We are the temple of Christ in which the outward temple pointed to as a shadow ,Christ in these earthen bodies of death .

Will he leave us and become part of a temple made with human hands? Is the authority power in respect to thing seen or the unseen eternal ? Does the power come by architectural shadows or the Spirit of God?

2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
You asked: "Will he leave us and become part of a temple made with human hands?"

My response: Jesus will not ever leave us or forsake us.

But Jesus will ALSO restore Levitical sacrifices (Mal. 3:1-4) and rebuild a physical temple (Zec. 6) in fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant which guarantees ongoing Levitical sacrificial activity, and this promise is as permanent as the day and night (Jer. 33:20-22).

blessings...
 
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As for another literal temple and resumption of animal sacrifices being prophesied for our future, I absolutely deny it. You apparently missed all of the lessons about us being the new temple, and how Christ's sacrifice ended the need for bulls and rams, etc...

My response: Hmmm....or maybe YOU missed the lessons about Jesus in Mal. 3:1-4 and in Zec. 6, where Jesus will RESTORE Levitical sacrifices and rebuild a physical temple.

And you missed the lesson about Eze. 40-47 being yet future.

And you missed the PERMANENCE of the Levitical activity assured in the Davidic Covenant (Jer. 33:20-22).

And you missed the 100% Torah-obedience of the future (Dt. 30:1-8) which guarantees future animal sacrifices.

And you missed the future GLOBAL COMMAND for all families of the EARTH to participate in the animal-sacrifice-laden feast of Sukkot (Zec. 14).

Why would you "absolutely deny" what the prophets guarantee?

Let's get back to the Bible.

regards...
 
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Why don't you read what I posted again and read it carefully and thoughtfully? This has nothing to do with OUR FUTURE but it has everything to do with God's eternal purposes. Why does everything have to be about "us" and "ours"? God has an eternal plan for a regenerated Israel just as He has a plan for the regenerated Church. They run parallel to each other, and there is absolutely no conflict or confusion in the mind of God.
The church IS Israel.

Therefore, the promises for redeemed Israel are OUR promises to US.

Christians are ISRAELITES, or else they can NOT partake in the New Covenant.

Why? Because the New Covenant is ONLY between God and ISRAEL (Jer. 31).


blessings..
 
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You are looking at it all by the temporal letter. You are not seeing that the word is spirit because God is Spirit. It is the spirit of the word that we try to understand in the OT.
 

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Hello friends,

It appears we have a dozen Scripturally-grounded reasons which jointly confirm that animal sacrifices will (in the future) be resumed in conjunction with the full restoration of Priestly/Levitical duties. And, we will participate in these activities as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between God and Israel. Most of us Christians are unaware of our future destiny in Israel; I hope this thread begins (in at least some small way) the process of correcting this unfortunate circumstance.

1. A. Dt. 30:1-8 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Dt. 30:1-8 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.

2. A. Eze. 40-47 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Eze. 40-47 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity will occur in the future.

3. A. Jer. 33:20-22 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Jer. 33:20-22 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.

4. A. Zec. 14 guarantees future GLOBAL participation in the sacrifice-laden feast of Sukkot (with punishment upon the nations who do not participate).
B. Therefore, global participation in sacrifice-laden feasts will occur in the future, and it will be required, and it will be good to obey, and it will be bad to disobey.

5. A. Mal. 3:1-4 guarantees that the Messiah will RESTORE the covenant with Levi, complete with sacrifices to be offered again in the future.
B. We should not oppose what the Messiah will come to restore in the forthcoming kingdom rule.

6. A. Is. 66 guarantees future restoration of Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with new moon and Sabbath observance.
B. We should not oppose what Isaiah guarantees will occur in the future.

7.A. The Old Covenant is READY (Gr. "engoos", Heb. 8:13) to disappear.
B. That which is ready to disappear has NOT yet disappeared (from the meaning of "engoos").
C. The Old Covenant was still in force (as of the New-Covenant-era time of the writing of Hebrews) (from B).
D. The inauguration of the New Covenant does NOT entail termination of the Old Covenant (from C).
E. Old Covenant Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities are good and proper to persist into the New Covenant era (from D).

8. A. Many New-Covenant-era priests were disciples of the Messiah (Ac. 6:7).
B. Priests perform sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties.
C. Priestly sacrificial/Levitical duties are acceptable in the New-Covenant-era (from A and B).

9. A. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah (Ac. 21:20).
B. Torah-obedience requires sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties (when performed properly).
C. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah-obedient sacrificial/priestly/Levitical activity.
D. These disciples encouraged Paul (and Paul agreed!) to condone a vow (evidently the sacrifice-laden Nazirite vow) for the purpose of publicly affirming that Paul likewise walked orderly according to the Torah.
E. Sacrifices are, thus, affirmed as a valid ongoing New-Covenant-era practice.


10. A. Sabbath Torah is (present tense!) a shadow of the substance in Christ (Col. 2:16-17).
B. Col. 2 was written after the inauguration of the New-Covenant era.
C. Col. 2 is, thus, evidence that Sabbath Torah (which, of course, includes associated sacrificial activity when properly performed) is an ONGOING FUNCTIONING SHADOW which CONTINUES to point to the substance in Christ.

11. A. Christians are included as fellow Israelites who partake in the Torah-laden covenants between YHVH and Israel (Eph. 2).
B. The covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic, and New) are all still in force, and we Christians partake in these covenants (plural! Eph. 2:12).
C. The covenants entail Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when properly performed.
D. Thus, we Christians should condone the proper restoration and participation in the Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with the Torah-laden covenants in which we participate.

12. A. Israelites will again participate in Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when they return from ALL the countries to which they have been scattered (Eze. 20:30-44).
B. This return has not yet occurred.
C. Animal sacrifices will occur in the future (from A and B).
D. We Christians are included as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between YHVH and Israel (e.g., Jer. 31).
E. Thus, we are Israelites who will participate in the restoration of animal sacrifices in the future.



CONCLUSION: We appear to have a dozen (I could list many more!) Scripturally-grounded lines of reasoning which jointly confirm that Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity is good and proper and forthcoming.

Yes, sin offerings point to the Lamb of God (Jesus) who is the ultimate sin-offering on our behalf. But this is no excuse to terminate the ONGOING SHADOW FUNCTION authorized by Scripture, affirmed by Scripture, and guaranteed (in Scripture) to properly occur in the future, just as it also properly occurred even AFTER the inauguration of the New Covenant in the first century.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong on all 12 arguments. I'm open to correction from any better-justified viewpoint.

If you agree with my 12 arguments, please let me know, because that would be encouraging to me.

If you disagree, please help me understand:
1. Which specific premise(s) in my 12 arguments do you reject (and why)?
2. Which Scriptural passage do you believe disconfirms my position (and why)?

Let's study and learn together, growing in love and grace and knowledge in our Lord Jesus Christ.

blessings to you all...





I have no doubt that animal sacrifice and the Levitical Priesthood will indeed resume in Israel. I do not believe that NT believers will participate in the practice. Doing so would deny the sufficiency of Jesus sacrifice of Himself on our behalf.
I do not believe that the resumption of animal sacrifice will be in any way pleasing to God.
 

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Just curious about this verse, in Zechariah 14.

Even Judah will fight at Jerusalem. And the wealth of all the surrounding nations shall be collected, gold, silver, and garments in great abundance. 15 And a plague like this plague shall fall on the horses, the mules, the camels, the donkeys, and whatever beasts may be in those camps.” Zech. 14:14-15

So, basically a plague on the horses, mules, camels, donkeys and beasts. How many armies today rely on these animals for transportation? Well, I agree on a spy mission into the desert, maybe some horses and camels. But face it, drones take the place of those missions these days.

And what will happen to all the tanks, guns, artillery, jets, drones, to say nothing of the wall Israel has built? Surely those were important enough to mention, because Judah is going to fight at Jerusalem. And guns/tanks/airplanes etc are not generally destroyed by a plague, anyway!

Oh wait, the temple records were destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans when the temple was burned to the ground, and taken apart rock by rock, just as Jesus said it was. So no Judah helping Jerusalem. And Jerusalem is actual within ancient Judah, say 3500 years ago, so not sure what this means!

Think for a minute! Doesn’t it make sense Zechariah was talking about the attack by Vespasian and then Titus, from 66-70 AD. When the Romans destroyed most of the city, and dispersed the Jews forever? You know, back when horses, mules, camels, donkeys and “whatever beasts” the armies were fighting with.

I am only a partial preterist, because I do not believe Jesus has returned. But, Zechariah 14 has certainly been fulfilled. This simply could not be modern times, because no one fights with animals. If this was supposed to be 2000 years in the future, surely some mystical symbols would have been used. You know “and rocks that turned to fire fell to the ground from the sky, from strange shiny, large birds.” And “large wagons mounted with weapons of terrible destruction wiped out the people, the 4th (or is it 5th?) temple. Or maybe “And from the sky, a huge explosion, in the shape of a mushroom wiped every building and every person into dust.”

So, you know, a prophecy from God about these so called dispensatonal last days! Instead, we get prophecies which happened within a generation of the death and resurrection of Jesus. You know, like Jesus says in Matt 24.

Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2 But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” Matt 24:1-2

The problem with dispensationalists, besides being paranoid fear mongers, is they simply don’t read the Bible in context. So, NO SACRIFICES, NO TRIBULATION and NO ENDTIME WAR in modern Israel. (OK, I take that back. Modern Israel, which is not heir to the promises in the OT, does have a lot of wars, although not the kind dispensationalists are predicting.)

Yikes! So much bad hermeneutics and theology!




One magnetic pulse could, and likely will temporarily disable all mechanized weapons; forcing armies to resort to animal cavalry and foot soldiers.
 

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You err,
Nothing is said about sacrificing (slain animal) concerning Havels offerring. Nor do I recall any prophets foretelling of the resumption of slaughtering animals to cover sin. This would be tantamount to a mantle of deception.
Concerning a nazar, sorry but you are missinformed, and have not even cited scripture to witness to anything you have spoken of yourself.

"And Abel he too brought of the firstborn of his flocks and of their fattest, and the Lord turned to Abel and to his offering."
In regards to the sacrifices of Abel and Cain, and the Lord choosing to show favor towards Abel's sacrifice and to not show favor towards Cain's sacrifice, this is in Genesis 4 which indeed you partly quote. The point I am trying to make in that portion of the comment is that the Lord can choose to accept or to reject a sacrifice.

Genesis 4:1-5

1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

Concerning a Nazarite, no I am not misinformed, the Nazarite vow and the sacrifices which accompany it both in its fulfillment or in the case of the Nazarite being defiled (as with being defiled with a dead body) these are recorded in Numbers 6. which I did cite for you, but if you think it would be helpful I can copy paste the whole chapter and underline the pertinent parts for you to which I refer in that post.

Numbers 6

1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the Lord:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the Lord, he shall be holy, and shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]All the days that he separateth himself unto the Lord he shall come at no dead body.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]He shall not make himself unclean for his father, or for his mother, for his brother, or for his sister, when they die: because the consecration of his God is upon his head.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]All the days of his separation he is holy unto the Lord.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And if any man die very suddenly by him, and he hath defiled the head of his consecration; then he shall shave his head in the day of his cleansing, on the seventh day shall he shave it.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And on the eighth day he shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons, to the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And the priest shall offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering, and make an atonement for him, for that he sinned by the dead, and shall hallow his head that same day.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And he shall consecrate unto the Lord the days of his separation, and shall bring a lamb of the first year for a trespass offering: but the days that were before shall be lost, because his separation was defiled.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And this is the law of the Nazarite, when the days of his separation are fulfilled: he shall be brought unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And he shall offer his offering unto the Lord, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings,
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And a basket of unleavened bread, cakes of fine flour mingled with oil, and wafers of unleavened bread anointed with oil, and their meat offering, and their drink offerings.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the priest shall bring them before the Lord, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he shall offer the ram for a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the Lord, with the basket of unleavened bread: the priest shall offer also his meat offering, and his drink offering.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And the Nazarite shall shave the head of his separation at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall take the hair of the head of his separation, and put it in the fire which is under the sacrifice of the peace offerings.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the priest shall take the sodden shoulder of the ram, and one unleavened cake out of the basket, and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them upon the hands of the Nazarite, after the hair of his separation is shaven:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the Lord: this is holy for the priest, with the wave breast and heave shoulder: and after that the Nazarite may drink wine.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]This is the law of the Nazarite who hath vowed, and of his offering unto the Lord for his separation, beside that that his hand shall get: according to the vow which he vowed, so he must do after the law of his separation.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The Lord bless thee, and keep thee:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]The Lord make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The Lord lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel, and I will bless them.

In regards to a resumption of the sacrifices, well that's sort of the crux of this topic. As BibleGuy has pointed out indeed there are many prophesies which he has all ready cited for you that indicate there will be animal sacrifices. Between me and him personally my argument though is just semantically you can't really call it a resumption because people are still sacrificing animals, they just simply never stopped despite the fact that the Western world is for the most part unaware of the fact that every year millions upon millions of animals are sacrificed. Though I suppose to the point he made earlier in a post, he means a resumption of sacrifices in a manner that is in accordance to the Torah, to which indeed there are prophecies about this. However I would note that for a resumption of the sacrifices in accordance to the Torah to take place as those prophecies describe you have to have several things happen first, namely the unbelieving jews must repent towards God, then you must restore and cleanse the temple, the altar has to be reforged, the Levites have to be determined and the impure Kohen of the unbelieving jews will have to be defrocked in a manner like in the book of Ezra when Israel was restored to the land before, many of the implements described in the Torah must be reforged, you will have to destroy the Talmud, you will have to re-teach the Torah, the Prophets, the Chronicles, the Gospels, and the letters of the Apostles, and you will have to do many things before you can even think about resuming the sacrifices in a manner which is in accordance to the Torah, fulfilling the prophets, and is acceptable to God.
 
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Hi there LoveGodForever,

I'm going sequentially through this thread...now up to post #171.

So yes, I've answered your position in detail earlier in this thread.

Perhaps you've already answered me? I hope to find out as I read further through this thread...

Anyway, you wrote here: "What you are promoting is that Christs sacrifice is not sufficient..."

My response: Christ HIMSELF comes to RESTORE animal sacrifices (Mal. 3:1-4).

So, your position is immediately contradicted by Malachi.

You wrote: " you are...trying to introduce the shadow laws that pointed to Jesus in the Old Covenant."

My response: The shadow laws were never terminated.

I'm not re-introducing the Torah of the Old Covenant.

That very Torah passes into the New Covenant (see "TORAH" in Jer. 31).

So, the Torah persists!

Jesus said we must not violate even the smallest of Torah commands (Mt. 5:19), lest we be least in the forthcoming kingdom. And this teaching of Jesus applies to all disciples (Mt. 28:20).

So, I'm merely upholding Jesus' affirmation of the perpetuity of the Torah which persists even into the New Covenant (see "TORAH", Jer. 31).

AND, the Old Covenant did NOT yet pass away as of the New-Covenant-era time of the writing of Heb. 8:13, thereby proving that the New Covenant and Old Covenant function simultaneously.

Anyway, I hope to hear from you further as I read further through this thread....

blessings to you.

PS If you (or anyone else) want to engage me sooner, just send me a private message here and we can chat privately.
The messenger in Mal 3:1 was John the Baptizer.

In Mal 3-2 Malachi skips to the second coming.

The offering in Mal 3:4 is the gold and silver of Mal 3:3; NOT animal sacrifice.
 
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Thank you!

And what does TORAH (Jer. 31:33) require?

Animal sacrifices!

Thus, animal sacrifices and the New Covenant are consistent.

blessings...
There is no mention of sacrifices (slain animals) nor levitical service.

And just as is spoken of plainly by our Lord of Host.
That broken covenant is a lesson to us all in what not to do.

And for what reason you even continue on about in manner of such sheer desperation has shown the readers here how you are ignoring what is plainly written.
 
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“How blessed are the pure in heart!
for they will see God.

Moshe, Aharon, Nadav, Avihu,
and seventy of the leaders went up;
and they saw the God of Isra’el.

as for future sacrifices, i have no idea why anyone would do so if they were a believer.
Anyone can read for themselves and learn why the fearful went and offered sacrifices.



Hello,

You wrote: "as for future sacrifices, i have no idea why anyone would do so if they were a believer."

My response: One reason is because they will not want the punishment of DROUGHT (Zec. 14).

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I've read a lot of your theories. No offense, but they are mostly incorrect. Bottom line is, "Israel" the true Israel is the Church and the Church is the true Israel. Believing Gentiles are grafted in with the natural branches which were the believing Jews. Apostate Israel was destroyed in the "great tribulation" in the first century. There is no distinction between believing Jew or believing Gentile anymore. Both are part of the Bride/Church.

I'm not sure what your definition for "regeneration" is, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with any country or the church for that matter. As Peter taught in Acts 3, as they were living in the last days, the times of refreshing/regeneration was the restoration to God made possible by the blood of Christ. This refreshing came at the Parousia of Christ as Apostate Israel was destroyed while the "saints" met in the "air" (spirit).

The connection to God was lost as a result of the original sin. Spiritual death is defined as separation from God. This separation was Hades upon death but Christ had the keys to Death and set the captives free. The Saints are now all in heaven with God.

Hello,

You wrote: "Bottom line is, "Israel" the true Israel is the Church and the Church is the true Israel."

My response: Yes. And TORAH is given to Israel (Mal. 4:4).

Again, TORAH (Jer. 31) passes into the New Covenant in which we participate.

And what does Torah require? Animal sacrifices!

Thus, animal sacrifices and the New Covenant are consistent.

In fact, Torah REQUIRES animal sacrifices, when properly performed.

And, the prophets guarantee future animal sacrifices (Jer. 33; Mal. 3; Eze. 40-47; Dt. 30; Zec. 14).

regards...
 

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Hello,

You wrote: "Bottom line is, "Israel" the true Israel is the Church and the Church is the true Israel."

My response: Yes. And TORAH is given to Israel (Mal. 4:4).

Again, TORAH (Jer. 31) passes into the New Covenant in which we participate.

And what does Torah require? Animal sacrifices!

Thus, animal sacrifices and the New Covenant are consistent.

In fact, Torah REQUIRES animal sacrifices, when properly performed.

And, the prophets guarantee future animal sacrifices (Jer. 33; Mal. 3; Eze. 40-47; Dt. 30; Zec. 14).

regards...
I just want to note, the sacrifices are in fact not required. While it is possible they may resume before the end, it has never been a commandment to do sacrifice. God said by the prophet he did not require sacrifices nor command them, but commanded only that Israel obey his voice. The Lord gave the ordinances of the sacrifices in the Torah not as commands, but to teach Israel and the house of Levi how they are to be performed rightly in the cases in which they are performed. The commandments of God are simply put by the Lord Jesus, to love God and to love your neighbor.
 
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Give me a bit of time to go through your points. In the meantime perhaps this will give you some food for thought.

There are no sinners on any part of the earth after the 1st day of the 1,000 year reign. If there are no sinners then why would any sacrifice be justified?

The birds and beasts of the fields that come to a supper prepared for them die after than and for the whole period of the 1,000 year reign the only flesh on the planet are the people that qualify fot life in that era. there are no sinners among them.

Ho:4:3:
Therefore shall the land mourn,
and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish,
with the beasts of the field,
and with the fowls of heaven;
yea,
the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.

The Law starting when that era begins is the one given in Re:21 rather than the 10 Commandments. How do you murder an immortal? You can't but the other flesh that men have dominion over can be killed so that is who is being referenced. Sacrificing them seem to be impossible really. The best argument is in the verses that tell us how much god likes blood sacrifices to begin with. He was the one to kill the first animal. it was done so Adam and Eve had clothes to protect them.

Isa:1:10-17:
Hear the word of the LORD,
ye rulers of Sodom;
give ear unto the law of our God,
ye people of Gomorrah.
To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me?
saith the LORD:
I am full of the burnt offerings of rams,
and the fat of fed beasts;
and I delight not in the blood of bullocks,
or of lambs,
or of he goats.
When ye come to appear before me,
who hath required this at your hand,
to tread my courts?
Bring no more vain oblations;
incense is an abomination unto me;
the new moons and sabbaths,
the calling of assemblies,
I cannot away with;
it is iniquity,
even the solemn meeting.
Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth:
they are a trouble unto me;
I am weary to bear them.
And when ye spread forth your hands,
I will hide mine eyes from you:
yea,
when ye make many prayers,
I will not hear:
your hands are full of blood.
Wash you,
make you clean;
put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes;
cease to do evil;
Learn to do well;
seek judgment,
relieve the oppressed,
judge the fatherless,
plead for the widow.
Hello,

You wrote: "There are no sinners on any part of the earth after the 1st day of the 1,000 year reign. If there are no sinners then why would any sacrifice be justified?"

My response: Well, why assume no sinners exist on earth during the Millennium? You didn't support that assumption with any evidence.

And, if Is. 65:20 occurs during the Millennium, then death and the curse will still bring the penalty of death to people at that time.

You wrote: "The Law starting when that era begins is the one given in Re:21 rather than the 10 Commandments."

My response: The New Covenant will STILL function during the Millennium. And what occurs in the New Covenant? TORAH! (see "Torah" in Jer. 31)

And what does Torah require? Sacrifices!

And, what does the "law" of Rev. 21:8 confirm? That "liars" are bad! Therefore, TRUTH (not lies) shall prevail during the Millennium. And the word of God is TRUTH (Jn. 17:17). And the TORAH is the word of God (Dt.1 :3; 5:27-33; etc.). So again, Rev. 21:8 leads us right back to Torah, which of course entails animal sacrifices.

So, we have no good reason to suppose sacrifices will not occur during the Millennium when the New Covenant is fulfilled in even greater measure than at present.

And, the "law" of Rev. 21:8 leads us to Torah, which entails animal sacrifices.

PLUS, what does Jesus do when He comes? RESTORE the Levitical sacrifices (Mal. 3:1-4) and REBUILD a temple (Zec. 6).

What happens in the temple? Sacrifices!

Now, sure, if Rev. 21:22 is POST-Millennium, then perhaps that will be a time when animal sacrifices are discontinued.

It's tough, after all, to nail down the timing of everything in Revelation. It's quite a puzzle.

Anyway, these are some thoughts that come to mind.

blessings...
 
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What? Did I hear you say that the restoration of the levitical priesthood is actually....good?

You are not even going to want to know the scriptures which came to mind
What? Are you saying that WHAT JESUS DOES WHEN HE RETURNS (Mal. 3:1-4) is actually...bad?

What? Are you saying that the Davidic Covenant (a permanent promise of God, Jer. 33:20-22) is actually...bad?

You are not even going to want to know the scriptures which come to mind...

Well ok...Isaiah 5:20.

regards...
 
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Give one reason why sacrifices should be reinstated in a rebuilt, earthly temporal and temporary temple?
There are many reasons.

One reason is the fact that since the prophets are NOT false prophets, it follows that yet-unfulfilled prophecies regarding future sacrifices and a temple MUST occur (in the future) so as to further confirm that they are not false prophets.

Recall Zec. 14; Eze. 40-47; Mal. 3:1-4; Dt. 30:1-8; Zec. 6.

Another reason is the ongoing shadow function which animal sacrifices serve (Col. 2:17, PRESENT TENSE!). The sacrifices ARE (not WERE) a shadow.

Another reason is it provides the opportunity to make a public declaration (Ac. 21).

Another reason is it provide the opportunity to make a vow (Ac. 21).

Another reason is that we should imitate Paul (1 Cor. 11:1) who condoned animal sacrifices (Ac. 21).

Another reason is it MUST occur when we return to inherit the promised land (Dt. 30:1-8).

Another reason is that we do NOT desire the punishment of DROUGHT (Zec. 14).

Another reason is that if God fails to keep His word (Davidic Covenant, Jer. 33), then God's word can not be trusted.

But we CAN trust God's word. That's why Jer. 33 GUARANTEES ongoing Levitical sacrificial activity as a promise as permanent as the day and night (Jer. 33:20-22).

regards...
 
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I have one question

Has the house if Levi received his inheritance?
According to revelation he has

And, unlike before CHRIST, there is no distinction in the tribe of Levi from his brothers All receive the same inheritance

Levi is no longer a priest in service to the other tribes.
in fact all twelve have received the same inheritance which had in the past been designated to only the Levitical house


that inheritance was in the LORD


so what offerings are required
Hello,

Proof by mere assertion is unacceptable.

Justify your claims with evidence, please.

Otherwise, you've given us no good reason to accept your claims.

Regards...
 

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Another reason is the ongoing shadow function which animal sacrifices serve (Col. 2:17, PRESENT TENSE!). The sacrifices ARE (not WERE) a shadow.
These are a shadow of the things that were to come;
the reality, however, is found in Christ.

You may as well say Jesus has not yet come.