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    Fear God as fear of offending God and a righteous awe and respect for Him? YES (Proverbs 1:7; Psalm 34:9; Isaiah 66:2). Fear God as if He is a tyrant who can't wait to punish us every time we mess up? NO The latter is an unhealthy fear and was the kind of fear of God that I experienced, prior to my conversion, while still attending the Roman Catholic church several years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny_B View Post
    All what Scripture, for eternal security or for works salvation?

    Myself I do not believe in once saved always saved, I believe in once justifed always justified. Once God has called you justified from your sins you can never be tried or judged for them again. If the Lord was to do that He would be an unjust judge and guility of double jeopardy, are you saying that human courts of law are more merciful then the Lord God?

    Romans 8:31-39
    What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written: “For Your sake we are killed all day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”

    37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

    You really need to consentrate on verse 32 of chapter 8 here and verse 39 as well.
    Nothing can seperate us from the love of God, no created thing, are we not created? Not even ourselves can seperate us from the love of God. Why?

    Philippians 1:6
    And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.”

    The Lord God chose us to be saved, why would He chose us then take it away because of a sin down the road, are you saying that the Lord God could not see that I was going to sin at some point before making it to be with Him? Remember what Jesus said in John 6:63 and 65?
    63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life……65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.

    Now lets look at the rest of Philippians 1:29
    For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,” Look at that the Father granted to us to believe in Him (Jesus) and also to suffer with Him, hallelujah. This is the love with which He has loved us, why would the God of love, grant us the ability to believe in Jesus then take it away when we sin, is not the atonement of Jesus enough to forgive all of my sins past, present and future?

    The Scriptures clearly show that the Father is in control of it all and that He has known from before time began all the sins I would commit and He made sure that they were all forgiven, to the point that when I would sin that He would show me that sin and all I had to do is agree with Him that it was sin and He if faithful and just to forgive that sin. Why? Because He knows that we all have sin even you and if you say you have no sin the truth is not in you and who is that truth? He is Jesus. If we say we have not sinned we make Him a liar, so we can't be saved if having sin causes you to be disqualified, because we always have sin and if we say we did not have sin, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us. With that being the case according to your doctrine no one can be saved, because we all sin and have sin, what in the world do we do?

    I John 1:8-10
    If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

    According to your doctrine no one can be saved not even you, but according to the Scriptures if someone goes out from us, they were never part of us.

    I John 2:19
    They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.”

    So what do we do with this Scripture? If they leave us they were never of us, meaning that they were never saved so they did not lose their salvation they just exposed themselves as posers, they were never sheep, they were goats all the time, it does not matter how long they were posing in the church, they were straight poseres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightShinesInTheDarkness View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by LightShinesInTheDarkness View Post
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    It sounds to me you're really trying to use fear as a tool to try and teach more than anything. "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind." 2 Timothy 1:7. We know God is not the author of confusion, nor is he the author of fear. There is a fear for a God, and it's a reverence of fear to him, one of respect. God is not evil and wicked, he's a loving merciful God, and Lord knows we are all going to make mistakes even as Christians following Christ on our daily walk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    Fear God as fear of offending God and a righteous awe and respect for Him? YES (Proverbs 1:7; Psalm 34:9; Isaiah 66:2). Fear God as if He is a tyrant who can't wait to punish us every time we mess up? NO The latter is an unhealthy fear and was the kind of fear of God that I experienced, prior to my conversion, while still attending the Roman Catholic church several years ago.
    I'm sad to say that I spent many years after my conversation walking in that unhealthy fear. I carried this over from life experiences.
    Waiting for the battering that would happen when I got it wrong, but also waiting for the battering when I did not get it wrong.
    Yes even when I did not I was still physically beaten and rejected.

    Shape up or ship out, yet I could never shape up and eventually shipped out. Thrown out by my mother.

    All these experiences were further compounded so called well meaning christians.

    Tragic indeed
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelOwen View Post
    It sounds to me you're really trying to use fear as a tool to try and teach more than anything. "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind." 2 Timothy 1:7. We know God is not the author of confusion, nor is he the author of fear. There is a fear for a God, and it's a reverence of fear to him, one of respect. God is not evil and wicked, he's a loving merciful God, and Lord knows we are all going to make mistakes even as Christians following Christ on our daily walk.
    Maybe the issue is
    Contrary to popular belief and teaching, it is not merely gratitude and feelings of love for God that keeps Christians from sinning and leads them to obey Him---at least it shouldn't be, according to the Bible---but also rightful fear. The fear comes from knowing that if we choose to despise Him, God has the power to chasten (discipline) us, and even to take away our eternal life, if we stubbornly persist in willful sin after coming to be in Christ, by refusing to do what we know He wants us to do and what He commands us. (See Hebrews 10:26-31)

    Now let's put the fear of God on a person.

    Yet given interpretation of this, to some, to sin willfully is sin knowingly and to some its to reject Jesus and his appropriation for sin.

    Jesus himself said he had to go back to the Father so the Holy Spirit must come to convict the world of its sin.
    That sin was and is unbelief in him.

    Read the unbolded and see how it links to the bolded.

    If God had the power to chasten us, genuine believers then why would he threaten to reject us and take away our salvation?

    When God disciplines his kids he does so in order to conform us to the image of Jesus.

    Let's be honest, how many here willfully sin?
    I'm not taking about the biggies here.

    Anything we do on and day that know we do is persistent sin.
    One sin does not have to be connected to another.

    In fact

    Romans 14:23
    23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

    maybe the issues are in fact

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    one has to understand what Godly fear is, first and foremost -
    and this takes discernment...

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    There is a different between fearing of God, and being afraid of God; The Godly fear of God as a child does his Father, The wicked are afraid of God as the prisoner is of the judge.
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    Fear in English has two distinct meanings one of which is slowly falling into disuse.

    Fear in its most common usage means be frightened or afraid. IMO God does NOT want Christians to fear Him in this sense.

    Fear also means reverence or deeply respect. This usage is slowly moving into disuse. God does indeed want Christians to reverence and respect Him.
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    17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

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    God wants us to fear to disobey Him (fear to commit sin). Perfect love drives out fear, but who here can say that they obey God perfectly and need not fear because they never disobey Him? “Each of you must work out your salvation with fear and trembling.” ”If you love Me you will obey My commands.” Who loves perfectly that they obey perfectly?
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