For Nehemiah
;#1: Satan needs God’s permission to attack us
Joanie:
Satan didn’t ask for permission to go after Job because he didn’t need permission.
Stones:
The Adversary answered ADONAI, “Is it for nothing that Iyov fears God? 10 You’ve put a protective hedge around him, his house and everything he has. You’ve prospered his work, and his livestock are spread out all over the land. 11 But if you reach out your hand and touch whatever he has, without doubt he’ll curse you to your face!” 12 ADONAI said to the Adversary, “Here! Everything he has is in your hands, except that you are not to lay a finger on his person.”
Satan didn't ask for permission. He accused God of protecting Job, and tried to tempt God Himself to touch Job, saying Job would then curse God. Read it closely if you disagree
Joanie:
In the Garden of Eden we opened the door to sin and have been reaping the consequences ever since.
stones:
agree
Joanie
The good news is it doesn’t have to be this way. By the grace of God the devil flees when we resist him (James 4:7).
Stones:
agree. Scripture states this.
Don’t be like Job and let the thief plunder your house. Be like David who encouraged himself in the Lord and fought back (1 Sam 30:6).
Joanie:
#2: God uses Satan as a sheepdog to keep the sheep in line
Woof! What nonsense. What fellowship does light have with darkness (2 Cor 6:14)?
stones:
never heard this and I agree. Nonsense.
#3: God gives us sickness and suffering to teach us character
Satan’s aim was to trick God into harming Job, something that God would never do.
Stones:
yep
Joanie:
Although Job thought God was responsible for his loss, God sent Elihu to set him straight.
Stones:
Job 32:2 But then Barachel's son Elihu from Buz, one of Ram's descendants, got really angry. He was furious with Job because he had been declaring himself righteous instead of vindicating God.
Joanie:
Elihu is a picture of Jesus who went around “healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him” (Acts 10:38). Jesus doesn’t give sickness; he takes it from us.
stones:
Job 33:23 "If there's a messenger appointed to mediate for Job—one out of a thousand—to represent the man's integrity on his behalf,
Job 33:24 to show favor to him and to plead, 'Deliver him from having to go down to the Pit—I know where his ransom is!'
Job 33:25 Let his flesh be rejuvenated as he was in his youth! Let him recover the strength of his youth.
Job 33:26 Let him pray to God and he will accept him; he will appear before him with joyful shouts!"
Job 33:27 "He'll sing to mankind with these words: 'I've sinned. I have twisted what is right. Yet he has not repaid me like I deserve.
Job 33:28 He has redeemed my soul from going down to the Pit; my life will see the light.'
Job 33:29 Indeed God does all these things again and again with a person
Job 33:30 to bring back his soul from the Pit; to light him with the light of life."
Sounds to me like Ellis is right! Elihu gives Job a picture of Gods goodness.
Joanie:
#4: God “allows” sickness and suffering to afflict us
Joanie:
God does not work for the devil. If God gave the thief permission to rob you, he wouldn’t be a thief.
stones:
makes sense.
Joanie:
First Adam lost control of the planet, but last Adam took back what the devil stole. In Christ you are destined to reign like a king (Rom 5:17). But you won’t reign if you heed the lies above and follow Job instead of Jesus.
Grace and peace to you.
Stones:
true. Jesus has restored our relationship with Father when we receive this truth. Kings and priests scripture says. And we are to be overcomers. Ellis isn't saying loss of heaven. Rewards for believing what God hath said.
Thank you Dr. Paul Ellis
stones: I echo the thanks. Good teaching.
;#1: Satan needs God’s permission to attack us
Joanie:
Satan didn’t ask for permission to go after Job because he didn’t need permission.
Stones:
The Adversary answered ADONAI, “Is it for nothing that Iyov fears God? 10 You’ve put a protective hedge around him, his house and everything he has. You’ve prospered his work, and his livestock are spread out all over the land. 11 But if you reach out your hand and touch whatever he has, without doubt he’ll curse you to your face!” 12 ADONAI said to the Adversary, “Here! Everything he has is in your hands, except that you are not to lay a finger on his person.”
Satan didn't ask for permission. He accused God of protecting Job, and tried to tempt God Himself to touch Job, saying Job would then curse God. Read it closely if you disagree
Joanie:
In the Garden of Eden we opened the door to sin and have been reaping the consequences ever since.
stones:
agree
Joanie
The good news is it doesn’t have to be this way. By the grace of God the devil flees when we resist him (James 4:7).
Stones:
agree. Scripture states this.
Don’t be like Job and let the thief plunder your house. Be like David who encouraged himself in the Lord and fought back (1 Sam 30:6).
Joanie:
#2: God uses Satan as a sheepdog to keep the sheep in line
Woof! What nonsense. What fellowship does light have with darkness (2 Cor 6:14)?
stones:
never heard this and I agree. Nonsense.
#3: God gives us sickness and suffering to teach us character
Satan’s aim was to trick God into harming Job, something that God would never do.
Stones:
yep
Joanie:
Although Job thought God was responsible for his loss, God sent Elihu to set him straight.
Stones:
Job 32:2 But then Barachel's son Elihu from Buz, one of Ram's descendants, got really angry. He was furious with Job because he had been declaring himself righteous instead of vindicating God.
Joanie:
Elihu is a picture of Jesus who went around “healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him” (Acts 10:38). Jesus doesn’t give sickness; he takes it from us.
stones:
Job 33:23 "If there's a messenger appointed to mediate for Job—one out of a thousand—to represent the man's integrity on his behalf,
Job 33:24 to show favor to him and to plead, 'Deliver him from having to go down to the Pit—I know where his ransom is!'
Job 33:25 Let his flesh be rejuvenated as he was in his youth! Let him recover the strength of his youth.
Job 33:26 Let him pray to God and he will accept him; he will appear before him with joyful shouts!"
Job 33:27 "He'll sing to mankind with these words: 'I've sinned. I have twisted what is right. Yet he has not repaid me like I deserve.
Job 33:28 He has redeemed my soul from going down to the Pit; my life will see the light.'
Job 33:29 Indeed God does all these things again and again with a person
Job 33:30 to bring back his soul from the Pit; to light him with the light of life."
Sounds to me like Ellis is right! Elihu gives Job a picture of Gods goodness.
Joanie:
#4: God “allows” sickness and suffering to afflict us
Joanie:
God does not work for the devil. If God gave the thief permission to rob you, he wouldn’t be a thief.
stones:
makes sense.
Joanie:
First Adam lost control of the planet, but last Adam took back what the devil stole. In Christ you are destined to reign like a king (Rom 5:17). But you won’t reign if you heed the lies above and follow Job instead of Jesus.
Grace and peace to you.
Stones:
true. Jesus has restored our relationship with Father when we receive this truth. Kings and priests scripture says. And we are to be overcomers. Ellis isn't saying loss of heaven. Rewards for believing what God hath said.
Thank you Dr. Paul Ellis
stones: I echo the thanks. Good teaching.
Is it not true that if the God's hedge of protection remained that satan would have been unable to assail Job?