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Hi Stunned...Praise God , all the glory to Him \:)/...
I do not often get urges to post , but when I do I believe that it is the Holy Spirit in me because it will not rest until it has been said...We must stand on Gods word only , even if we shake when speaking...

Jesus was never revered to Job being the first natural man , but to Adam...

So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven (1 Corinthians 15:45-48)...

Have a nice day/night my friend , it has just turned afternoon here in England , and a rainy one at that
:)...It's a duvet day for me...xox...
Noooooo!



It's raining in England?

(I actually know it was sunny in London yesterday. That one surprised me. Raining doesn't. lol)
 
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What I got from Job was to trust God no matter how tough it gets. Correct me if im wrong. Im still new to this bible thing. Anyway JM read the bible for yourself instead of quoting other people. I wanted to respond to this thread for a while but I figured I should read the book first. I pray you do and actually listen to God
Knowing you've read the beginning of Job already, you were good at responding to Ellis and Joan's first statement since then. You really don't need to have read all of Job to get that first statement was a lie.

(Still, good book, if you can get past Job's snooty friends.)
 
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It would be great if we had more threads actually going over books of the Bible. Read parts of a passage, and have everyone give a view of what they think it means, then have a nice discussion about all the views. We may all learn something. Even if in the end we disagree.
Actually, Job has been tried by at least two other people, (besides Mon) within the last few weeks, and the threads disappear from front page quickly.

(Hey, I'm working on Acts, so not like I'm bringing blame. I'm one of many who didn't respond.
:eek:)
 

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Noooooo!



It's raining in England?

(I actually know it was sunny in London yesterday. That one surprised me. Raining doesn't. lol)
He he...Just want to practice posting a emoji ...It seems the perfect timing...
 

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He he...Just want to practice posting a emoji ...It seems the perfect timing...
Oh it worked lol...I need to find the moving ones like you post Lynn , I like them...xox...
 
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Hmm...You do know the scribes and the Pharisees were the ones adding to and taking away from the word of God to try to make it say what they wanted it to say, right. :rolleyes:
Ohhhhh! Thank you for that. I always wondered how the scribes got caught into this. I keep thinking they were scholars forever duplicating text. Like well-educated paper pushers. What did they do to deserve negativity?

So, seriously. Thanks!
 
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Oh it worked lol...I need to find the moving ones like you post Lynn , I like them...xox...
Sherv.net And ask Miri for what she uses. (She has teddy bears, but I lost the link. lol)
 

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Oh it worked lol...I need to find the moving ones like you post Lynn , I like them...xox...
When you do an image search, just add "gif" or "animated gif" at the end :)
 

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Ohhhhh! Thank you for that. I always wondered how the scribes got caught into this. I keep thinking they were scholars forever duplicating text. Like well-educated paper pushers. What did they do to deserve negativity?

So, seriously. Thanks!
LOL...I kind of thought the same thing before... I wondered why the scribes were in so much trouble with Jesus...

The woes in Matthew 23 explains it well, though.
 

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Was doing a word study this morning on the words, afflict, afflicted, and affliction. So far, I've only found one instance where it has to do with sickness, and that's in Job. 1 verse.

But, I did come across this and thought of you Joanie.

Psa 116:10 I believed, H539  therefore H3588  have I H589  spoken: H1696  I was greatly H3966afflicted: H6031  This is the English, browbeaten.


Being browbeaten for ones belief. Then I thought about David and Absalom. His own turned against him.

Psa 116:11 I H589  said H559  in my haste, H2648  All H3605  men H120are liars. H3576  liars in English is deceived.



Psa 116:12 What H4100  shall I render H7725  unto the LORD H3068for all H3605  his benefits H8408  toward H5921  me?



Psa 116:13 I will take H5375  the cup H3563  of salvation, H3444  and call H7121  upon the name H8034  of the LORD. H30


What these last two verses are saying...I will hold together all the benefits of my salvation, and drink from that cup. And I thought about Jesus saying to one of his disciples, yes you shall drink of my cup.

How many times we think this is suffering with diseases, weaknesses, minds in torment? That those things covered in the atonement is our due?

The narrow way is our suffering. The affliction of the NT is being under pressure. This will cause those things that once held us captured to fall off.

Theres another scripture i saw in Exodus 1 today, that caused me to laugh at the devil. The Israelites were greatly afflicted or browbeaten, but that just caused them to multiply. Lol

You all that have vicious tongues....I don't think this is the tongues of Holy Spirit. Selah
The part I bolded in your post is where all you Word Faith people are 100% wrong. Healing of our bodies was NOT covered in the atonement. If the statement is read in context Isa 53:5d, it doesn’t say that at all. If it is read in context of the book of Isaiah, it certainly doesn’t say that at all!!

I have been through this over and over, and the “pull verses out of context” crowd simply cannot accept that the proper way to read the Bible, as with anything, is to read the verses in context of the passage, the chapter, the book, the testament, the whole Bible and in light of Jesus Christ.

First, I am certain God can heal whoever he wants. Never limit God in that way! Nothing is impossible with God. He does heal.

BUT what he does not do - is heal on demand. We do not “claim” healing. We seek God’s will, and see if it is his will for us to be healed. Sometimes the answer is, yes, sometimes no, sometimes maybe or wait a while. So, please do not say I do not believe in healing. I have seen healings, verified by a doctor. I am going to post something I wrote on this whole topic of whether healing is in the atonement, based on reading the passage correctly. I probably need to start a thread on the whole topic of context. Perhaps when I am feeling better.

Healing is NOT and NEVER will be our due! It is a gift of God, out of his mercy and grace. That is why I get so frustrated and angry with people who have been sucked into this horrible exegetical lie, and refuse to see the obvious.

As for people being vicious, it is because we tell you to look at the Scriptures, and you post word studies from Strong’s, whch is a backwards KJV concordance. If you want to do word studies, at least use Bauer (BDAG) which is the top Greek lexicon in the world, or Brown-Driver-Briggs, the top Hebrew Lexicon in the world.

Others post addresses for Bible verses, not even the whole verse. Context is ignored, the Bible is added to - stuff like Job lived before Adam. And that is directly on you, Stones! That is a pure New Age lie! You are getting sucked into a maelstrom of lies. The more you misinterpret God’s word, the faster you go downhill and believe extra biblical lies. What is wrong with just sticking to the Bible?? It is rich, full, and you can never exhaust its depth. If you have to go so far beyond what God says in his word, are you truly anointed? The Holy Spirit will never lead us down such a wrong path, if we are truly following him, and not some lying, whispering demon. Beware the spirit of New Age evil!
 

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I've posted it before, it needs to be posted constantly, because people do not want to know what the Bible says! This is concerning the lie, that Isa. 53:5d says healing is in the atonement. Besides what is below, even if it could be pulled out of context, this partial verse, and its NT counterparts do not a doctrine make. Especially one so destructive as "healing is in the atonement." If this were a Biblical concept, it would appear in MANY places. As I said, God heals because it is his will, and he has compassion on us. He does not automatically heal, just because we claim this partial verse which appears no where else.


"Look at the context of Isa. 53:5-6 (And do not leave off verse 6, because it is important in context!) It is about SIN!! Not about healing. Even the Septuagint acknowledges that. Israel was sin sick and needed "healing!" Healing from what? Let's look at the verses again.

"But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned—every one—to his own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all." Isa. 53:5-6

Let's see the main words:

transgressions
iniquities
chastisement
gone astray
turned our own way
the iniquity of us all.



These words are all about sin - rebellion, iniquity. You can't just pluck out the 4th line and claim it is about healing, when all the surrounding verses, in fact all of Isa. 53 is about sin, and the Messiah and the atonement saving us from our sins.


There there is the 1 Peter passage, which quotes it.

""He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed." 1 Peter 2:24 ESV"

Notice the words in the first part of the sentence have to do with the last part of the verse.

bore our sins
die to sin
live to righteousness.

Then there is Matt 8:16-17 which quotes Isa. 53:4

That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick. [SUP]17 [/SUP]This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: “He took our illnesses and bore our diseases.”

This is talking about Jesus! Not us! This is Jesus earthly ministry and HE fulfilled what Isa. 53:4 said.

So what are we healed from?? From sin and unrighteousness. There is absolutely nothing to do in context with physical healing, in either Isa. 53:4-6, 1 Peter 2:24 or Matt 8:16-17!

Try reading the verses for what they are saying, not the lies you have been fed by the Word Faith movement!!

In fact, if you read Isa. 53 and those verses in context, here are the verses that finish that chapter on the suffering Messiah. What are they about?

They are about salvation from sin and evil!

"Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors." Isa. 53:10-12

Read all of Isaiah 53, and realize it goes together. One part of one line, talking about healing, in the context of talking about healing of our spiritual sins, means those "wounds" are sin and death. Not my metaphor, but Isaiah's.

And if you really want to know what the word WOUND means to Isaiah, then read the whole book of Isaiah. Because the opening chapter explains this prophecy is to a "diseased" (spiritually) and unrighteous and sinful Israel.


"1 The vision concerning Judah and Jerusalem that Isaiah son of Amoz saw during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.

2 Hear me, you heavens! Listen, earth!For the Lord has spoken:
“I reared children and brought them up,
but they have rebelled against me.
3 The ox knows its master,
the donkey its owner’s manger,
but Israel does not know,
my people do not understand.”

4 Woe to the sinful nation,
a people whose guilt is great,
a brood of evildoers,
children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the Lord;
they have spurned the Holy One of Israel
and turned their backs on him.

5 Why should you be beaten anymore?
Why do you persist in rebellion?
Your whole head is injured,
your whole heart afflicted.
6 From the sole of your foot to the top of your head
there is no soundness—
only wounds and welts
and open sores,
not cleansed or bandaged
or soothed with olive oil." Isa. 1:1-6


The entire prophecy is to Israel, so that they will hear about the Messiah, who will heal their diseased and sin sick land. Note verses 1 and 3! To Judah, Jerusalem, and in verse 3 - Israel.

Do not make this prophecy about yourself, unless you take it in context.

What does God call Israel? A SINFUL NATION! He is talking about the wounds of Israel spiritually. This is Isaiah, not me, not my opinion.

Last part of verse 5 says,

"Your whole head is injured,
your whole heart afflicted."


Notice that the metaphor of an injured head - or our thoughts is intricately linked to the WHOLE HEART BEING AFFLICTED!

Why are they affected?

Because they are a people:

laden with iniquity
offspring of evil doers
children who deal corruptly
forsake the Lord
despised the Holy One of Israel
utterly estranged Verse 4

This is what context is all about!! What was Isaiah's message?

"And he said, “Go, and say to this people:“‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand;
keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’
10 Make the heart of this people dull,
and their ears heavy,
and blind their eyes;
lest they see with their eyes,
and hear with their ears,
and understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”
11 Then I said, “How long, O Lord?” Isa. 6:9-11


Israel would not and could not listen, but God warned them anyway. And he gave hope, in the future suffering servant, the Messiah, who would heal the "wounds" of sin sickness. That is the prophecy in Isa. 53, connected to Isaiah 1.

Why? Why did the Father have to send his Son? To physically heal us? Not there in any way, shape of form! He sent his Son to suffer and die because we were diseased from sin and evil. in other words, we were "sin sick."

"Why will you still be struck down?
Why will you continue to rebel?
The whole head is sick,
and the whole heart faint.
6 From the sole of the foot even to the head,
there is no soundness in it,
but bruises and sores
and raw wounds;
they are not pressed out or bound up
or softened with oil." Isa. 1:5-6


Those wounds in Isa. 53, are in context with words about sin and transgression. There is not a single word there about physical healing, although certainly, part of the Messiah's ministry was to heal us from our sin, and physical healing was part of Jesus earthly ministry.

Wounds - sin, iniquity, unrighteousness, evil, corruption, forsaking God, get it??

"Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin," Isa. 53:10

See - The end of Isaiah 53 makes it clear - The suffering servant makes his life an offering for SIN!

Another reason why both WoF and Hypergrace are such dangerous heresies. They take the Biblical definitions and the purpose Christ came to die and twist them beyond recognition from what the Bible says

"She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” Matt 1:21
 

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I've posted it before, it needs to be posted constantly, because people do not want to know what the Bible says! This is concerning the lie, that Isa. 53:5d says healing is in the atonement. Besides what is below, even if it could be pulled out of context, this partial verse, and its NT counterparts do not a doctrine make. Especially one so destructive as "healing is in the atonement." If this were a Biblical concept, it would appear in MANY places. As I said, God heals because it is his will, and he has compassion on us. He does not automatically heal, just because we claim this partial verse which appears no where else.


"Look at the context of Isa. 53:5-6 (And do not leave off verse 6, because it is important in context!) It is about SIN!! Not about healing. Even the Septuagint acknowledges that. Israel was sin sick and needed "healing!" Healing from what? Let's look at the verses again.

"But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned—every one—to his own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all." Isa. 53:5-6

Let's see the main words:

transgressions
iniquities
chastisement
gone astray
turned our own way
the iniquity of us all.



These words are all about sin - rebellion, iniquity. You can't just pluck out the 4th line and claim it is about healing, when all the surrounding verses, in fact all of Isa. 53 is about sin, and the Messiah and the atonement saving us from our sins.


There there is the 1 Peter passage, which quotes it.

""He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed." 1 Peter 2:24 ESV"

Notice the words in the first part of the sentence have to do with the last part of the verse.

bore our sins
die to sin
live to righteousness.

Then there is Matt 8:16-17 which quotes Isa. 53:4

That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick. [SUP]17 [/SUP]This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: “He took our illnesses and bore our diseases.”

This is talking about Jesus! Not us! This is Jesus earthly ministry and HE fulfilled what Isa. 53:4 said.

So what are we healed from?? From sin and unrighteousness. There is absolutely nothing to do in context with physical healing, in either Isa. 53:4-6, 1 Peter 2:24 or Matt 8:16-17!

Try reading the verses for what they are saying, not the lies you have been fed by the Word Faith movement!!

In fact, if you read Isa. 53 and those verses in context, here are the verses that finish that chapter on the suffering Messiah. What are they about?

They are about salvation from sin and evil!

"Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors." Isa. 53:10-12

Read all of Isaiah 53, and realize it goes together. One part of one line, talking about healing, in the context of talking about healing of our spiritual sins, means those "wounds" are sin and death. Not my metaphor, but Isaiah's.

And if you really want to know what the word WOUND means to Isaiah, then read the whole book of Isaiah. Because the opening chapter explains this prophecy is to a "diseased" (spiritually) and unrighteous and sinful Israel.


"1 The vision concerning Judah and Jerusalem that Isaiah son of Amoz saw during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.

2 Hear me, you heavens! Listen, earth!For the Lord has spoken:
“I reared children and brought them up,
but they have rebelled against me.
3 The ox knows its master,
the donkey its owner’s manger,
but Israel does not know,
my people do not understand.”

4 Woe to the sinful nation,
a people whose guilt is great,
a brood of evildoers,
children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the Lord;
they have spurned the Holy One of Israel
and turned their backs on him.

5 Why should you be beaten anymore?
Why do you persist in rebellion?
Your whole head is injured,
your whole heart afflicted.
6 From the sole of your foot to the top of your head
there is no soundness—
only wounds and welts
and open sores,
not cleansed or bandaged
or soothed with olive oil." Isa. 1:1-6


The entire prophecy is to Israel, so that they will hear about the Messiah, who will heal their diseased and sin sick land. Note verses 1 and 3! To Judah, Jerusalem, and in verse 3 - Israel.

Do not make this prophecy about yourself, unless you take it in context.

What does God call Israel? A SINFUL NATION! He is talking about the wounds of Israel spiritually. This is Isaiah, not me, not my opinion.

Last part of verse 5 says,

"Your whole head is injured,
your whole heart afflicted."


Notice that the metaphor of an injured head - or our thoughts is intricately linked to the WHOLE HEART BEING AFFLICTED!

Why are they affected?

Because they are a people:

laden with iniquity
offspring of evil doers
children who deal corruptly
forsake the Lord
despised the Holy One of Israel
utterly estranged Verse 4

This is what context is all about!! What was Isaiah's message?

"And he said, “Go, and say to this people:“‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand;
keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’
10 Make the heart of this people dull,
and their ears heavy,
and blind their eyes;
lest they see with their eyes,
and hear with their ears,
and understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”
11 Then I said, “How long, O Lord?” Isa. 6:9-11


Israel would not and could not listen, but God warned them anyway. And he gave hope, in the future suffering servant, the Messiah, who would heal the "wounds" of sin sickness. That is the prophecy in Isa. 53, connected to Isaiah 1.

Why? Why did the Father have to send his Son? To physically heal us? Not there in any way, shape of form! He sent his Son to suffer and die because we were diseased from sin and evil. in other words, we were "sin sick."

"Why will you still be struck down?
Why will you continue to rebel?
The whole head is sick,
and the whole heart faint.
6 From the sole of the foot even to the head,
there is no soundness in it,
but bruises and sores
and raw wounds;
they are not pressed out or bound up
or softened with oil." Isa. 1:5-6


Those wounds in Isa. 53, are in context with words about sin and transgression. There is not a single word there about physical healing, although certainly, part of the Messiah's ministry was to heal us from our sin, and physical healing was part of Jesus earthly ministry.

Wounds - sin, iniquity, unrighteousness, evil, corruption, forsaking God, get it??

"Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin," Isa. 53:10

See - The end of Isaiah 53 makes it clear - The suffering servant makes his life an offering for SIN!

Another reason why both WoF and Hypergrace are such dangerous heresies. They take the Biblical definitions and the purpose Christ came to die and twist them beyond recognition from what the Bible says

"She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” Matt 1:21
Hi Angela...I have just started reading Isaiah so your post has been very helpful to me...In fact I am at Isaiah chapter 3 but will start it again tomorrow with a new understanding...Thank you...xox...
 
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I tried!

'You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Angela53510 again.'

spot on with the taking out of context or using partial verses as 'proof'

you just can't say that too often IMO!


 

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I tried!

'You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Angela53510 again.'

spot on with the taking out of context or using partial verses as 'proof'

you just can't say that too often IMO!


I feel as if I have been fed with the word when I have been reading her post in this thread :)...xox...Well I have been and it is really nice to see because it has truly opened my eyes to the wof etc , and I can see how it really blinds people , so dangerous...And thank you seas as well , I am learning from you too...God bless you both , and all those that raise their shield and stand on the word of God and not on man made foolishness...xox...
 
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I feel as if I have been fed with the word when I have been reading her post in this thread :)...xox...Well I have been and it is really nice to see because it has truly opened my eyes to the wof etc , and I can see how it really blinds people , so dangerous...And thank you seas as well , I am learning from you too...God bless you both , and all those that raise their shield and stand on the word of God and not on man made foolishness...xox...

prob good to keep those 2 posts from Angela as reference. she really laid it all out well!
 

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Nice to see so many posts on this thread and glad to at least get us all to reading the Bible. I've posted my own thoughts on the subject and I've posted verses along with it. I've also posted some from other Christian sites too. So I think I've presented a clear side to why I believe the way I do. Dispite my critics. :)

Here is another post from a brother on a thread from CC that I will also be sharing because this topic was discussed before in so many ways about the love of God in Christ. Many Christians want to share that Jesus is the one we look to when we want to see the true nature of God in action., word and deed. Be blessed.




Paul says - happy is he who doesn't condemn himself in what he believes. Let him have their own faith before God so people are allowed to have a different opinion on subjects such as healing.

Jesus is perfect theology:

Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of the Father. Jesus said no one knows my Father but the Son and He has come to reveal Him to men. Jesus came to do the will of the Father.

Hebrews 1:3 says that Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of the Father as well as the will of the Father.

If we want to see what the Father's will is concerning a subject - see what Jesus did while He was on this earth.

If we want to see how the Father views sinners - look to see how Jesus interacted with them. ( both the prostitutes and the religious Pharisees )

If we want to see if it's God's will to heal people in their physical bodies - look to Jesus while He was here on this earth. He healed "all" that came to Him. He does not change.

If we want to see what the Father's discipline looks like - watch Jesus discipline the disciples - He did it with His words.

Jesus and the Father are One in their nature, purpose and love.

There is not one time - NOT one time where some one who came to Jesus for healing - that was not healed. He healed all that came to Him. There are many scriptures that attest to this fact.

No where do we find anywhere in Jesus' life where do we see any of these things being said by Jesus to anyone;

1) I can't heal you because God is trying to teach you something.

2) I can't heal you because you have sin in your life.

3) I can't heal you because you have not forgiven your mother-in-law. ( or anyone )

4) I can't heal you because you have not been eating and exercising properly. ( They were all on the Mediterranean Diet too...:) )

5) I can't heal you because God wants you to suffer with this sickness so that you will learn to trust in Him.

None of these things ever occurred although we have been taught by some of our church teachings that they are true. There is no evidence in the life of Jesus - in fact - the evidence is the complete opposite of what we have been taught in some circles.

Everyone is free to have the faith that they have before God. I won't insult or de-mean nor try to "lord it over their faith" if they choose to believe something else.

I will not call them a "cult" because of their unbelief in God's word on the subject that is different from others nor will I say that they are now "in heresy". I expect others to act with the same respect towards others as well.

God bless you.

We have a good, good Father and a great salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ. I believe we haven't even scratched the surface of understanding what Christ has done for us on the cross and resurrection and that we too have died with Him and are raised to newness of life. One day we will get incorruptible bodies where we will not be attacked. Thank you Jesus!


 

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Some people have a different view of scripture on healing. If others think differently - then that is their opinion and their own choice and they are entitled to it.

Under the Old Covenant God said in Deut. that no diseases would be upon them if they followed the law of Moses. The writer of Hebrews says that we have New Covenant built upon better promises - that the blood of Jesus speaks of better things.

Is the Old Covenant really better now then the New one? O
f course not.

Here is David speaking of healing.

Psalm 103:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Bless the LORD, O my soul, And forget none of His benefits;

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Who pardons all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases;


Healing is definitely in the true gospel message.....as can be seen when Paul preached the gospel in Lystra. in Acts 14.

Acts 14:7-10 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]and there they continued to preach the gospel.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]At Lystra a man was sitting who had no strength in his feet, lame from his mother's womb, who had never walked.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]This man was listening to Paul as he spoke, who, when he had fixed his gaze on him and had seen that he had faith to be made well,

[SUP]10 [/SUP]said with a loud voice, "Stand upright on your feet." And he leaped up and began to walk.

Paul was preaching the GOSPEL.... the man lame was listening to Paul and then he had faith to be made whole...
where did this man get faith to be made whole in his body?

Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

The man that was lame from birth heard in the preaching of the gospel of the grace of Christ that he could be made whole. He believed...Paul saw it in him and encouraged him to act on his faith.

Healing is a part of the gospel of the grace of Christ as the forgiveness of sins is.


Here Jesus relates healing to forgiveness of sins.

Matthew 9:5-6 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]"Which is easier, to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, and walk'?

[SUP]6 [/SUP]"But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins"—then He *said to the paralytic, "Get up, pick up your bed and go home."
 

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I miss Grace777 and hope he comes back soon. He has blessed many of us here on CC with his sharing of God's love in Christ and the Bible. I'll post more of his helpful posts. I'm not a teacher far from it but I do know that there is Agape love... grace.... unmerited favor with God in Christ. And it takes seeing Jesus to see any of it. And that is where the answers to the questions of Job are about God and healing. We find them all in Christ. Amen.