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Good heavens. I'm sure Marc has better things to do than search out more on Paul Ellis someone he doesn't even agree with. And is probably sorry he got involved. Even I don't care to search out Paul Ellis and I'm a fan of his. LOL. Marc... ((((((HUGS)))))))) for being a good guy and loving the brethren.
I agree.
And it may be that his credentials check out.
My point was that I found no verification of his credentials connected to any of his religious works, and this made him seem very suspicious.
If a minister is found to fabricate credentials (as many genuinely do) then that would disqualify the person from ministry.
I made a fuss about the possible fabrication of credentials because it ACTUALLY HAPPENS A LOT.
There are a TON of heretical or heterdox ministers running around with FRAUDULENT CREDENTIALS... it happens a lot, and we need to be careful and discerning.
If his credentials check out, then they check out... simple as that.
But we're still back to the issue, as you mentioned, of very bad doctrine.
And it may be that his credentials check out.
My point was that I found no verification of his credentials connected to any of his religious works, and this made him seem very suspicious.
If a minister is found to fabricate credentials (as many genuinely do) then that would disqualify the person from ministry.
I made a fuss about the possible fabrication of credentials because it ACTUALLY HAPPENS A LOT.
There are a TON of heretical or heterdox ministers running around with FRAUDULENT CREDENTIALS... it happens a lot, and we need to be careful and discerning.
If his credentials check out, then they check out... simple as that.
But we're still back to the issue, as you mentioned, of very bad doctrine.
And to the rest of you guys who are suspicious.... have at it and search all you want and enjoy yourselves. It looks to be the way you rock and roll. 
As for myself., I'm not joining in. My reasons for sharing on CC are very different than yours. I'll be continuing on that path of freedom and blessing and thanking Jesus for it.
As for myself., I'm not joining in. My reasons for sharing on CC are very different than yours. I'll be continuing on that path of freedom and blessing and thanking Jesus for it. 
Mark,
I appologize for interjecting at the moment.
As believers we are instructed to test the spirits, and so I incourage everyone to seek the Truth of the matter concerning false teachers.
"They are the kind who work their way into people's homes and win the confidence of vulnerable women who are burdened with the guilt of sin and controlled by various desires."
I appologize for interjecting at the moment.
As believers we are instructed to test the spirits, and so I incourage everyone to seek the Truth of the matter concerning false teachers.
"They are the kind who work their way into people's homes and win the confidence of vulnerable women who are burdened with the guilt of sin and controlled by various desires."
So, again I am confused about your denominational background. But, this time, I have it right in front of me. I once told you that most of us (except Depleted and a few others) did not come out of the rigid, legalistic Catholic Church, like you. You countered that you did not come out of the Catholic Church. So what does the bolded part above say?
It says, and I believe this is a direct quote from before, that you were “taught” in the RCC, etc, etc. I have no quarrel with what you say about the errors of the Catholic Church, although not sure how even you got Greek gods out of the RCC.
Again, no Catholic doctrine to unlearn for most of us, and Depleted has done a fine job of coming to a knowledge of the truth of the Bible - it being all about God, not about us.
For me personally, although I did attend Baptist Sunday School as a child, and then 2 a totally apostate churches in my early teens, where I basically learned nothing, my first experience in church was in the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement where there were many people who loved God with all their hearts, and they knew the Bible a bit. I say “a bit” because there was no teaching of hermenetics and how to read the Bible.
It was all about “new revelation” and “new experiences.” Sadly, that left many people wandering out of classical Pentecostalism, (I do not agree with most of the doctrine, including eschatology or soteriology) but still people who had based their walk with God on the Bible. Word Faith, was a prime example of how far away experiential doctrine, which you espouse in this post, gets from the Bible.
But back to YOUR post. First, you talk about traditional Baptist Churches. So which variety? Because, an Independent, legalist, fundamentalist Baptist Church is about as far away from the convention I go to now. With everything in between. There are over 50 Baptist denominations in the US, plus a myriad of Independents, and in Canada, 5 conventions with a bunch of Independents.
If you knew anything about Baptists at all, you would realize their is a huge difference in doctrine, worship, translations used, mission, training of the eldership, etc. So, probably you shouldn’t draw such broad brush strokes about ALL Baptists and what has to be “unlearned.” In fact, from everything you post, mostly regurgitated from the filters of these REAL false teachers, JP and Paul Ellis, the only one needing to “unlearn” is you!
You have gone from the extreme of RCC rituals and legalism, never knowing if you are saved, to probably some kind of Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Church, where you lived in terror of losing your salvation, to the far other extreme of the likes of hypergrace, where the Bible is sound bites, to prove doctrines, rather than the Bible being the sound basis of all doctrine, using context, historical background, Greek and Hebrew in the matter of exegetics to determine doctrine.
Oh yes, I haven’t been in a Baptist Church that didn’t have the Holy Spirit leading and guiding in all things. BUT, as every good Bible student knows, the Holy Spirit will NEVER taken you to a place far beyond the Bible or that is in conflict with the Bible. I have had the full Holy Spirit guiding me since the moment God saved me. One of the first things the Holy Spirit told me, was to read my Bible, which I have done faithfully from cover to cover for 37 years. And so much more.
And when the Holy Spirit comforted me in sickness, the presence and His love was so amazing. And He directed me to Scriptures that helped me recover from the judgment and condemnation the Word Faith Movement put on me. And God led me to seminary. Wow! Talk about a place with the Holy Spirit leading and guiding. And transformed people! Really living the fruits of the Holy Spirit, humble, gentle and caring, yet, so strong in the Word of God. Anointed people, in every sense of the word!
You are kidding me, right? You have actually read the book of Job? Job was a righteous man in God’s eyes. And he never cursed him, even though Job’s wife told him to. Job had it right, and God certainly showed him in the last chapters, where he was wrong. But, don’t read anything into it. God never told Job why he had to suffer. But, it is pretty evident Job has been an example of the truths of God, his control of Satan, and what faithfulness looks like in the midst of suffering. I lived with Job as my best friend for 6 months after a painful reconstruction surgery, which went wrong. The Holy Spirit was there every minute ministering to me through that, and he used Job to help me make it through the pain, but also to grow tremendously as a Christian. Of course, I had a huge number of Christians praying for me, and I know prayers of God’s people was a big factor in what I went through, too!
I doubt I will even read your next copy and paste, Paul Ellis, is so shallow theologically. What did Maxwel say? A teacher at a business college? How does that have anything to do with theological training? When I read that, I saw exactly why this guy is a false teacher. Because he really doesn’t know the Bible at all.
He twists things around, knows nothing about context, and frankly doesn’t care, as long as he can support his direct experience! But you know the trouble with experiential Christianity like that? Well, just say, the devil masquerades as an angel of light, and these days, he is overly busy with that role, in the Word Faith/hypergrace Movement.
Anyway, I’m going to save this whole post of yours, especially the confusing references to being a Baptist and a Catholic. Not that you couldn’t be both, of course, but just that you denied it when I asked about it. It will be nice to have it, to bring back again. So, you are using the copy and paste method that certain other members used to use? I remember when he was exposed for using the same paragraphs over and over 20 times. It was quite a shock! I guess he rationalized it like you! That it was written by you (mostly), so why not copy and paste? I do copy and paste my own work, but I am always certain to post I am doing it. I just don’t find it honest to post something without the source, even if that source was you!
As for most of us, I think it was pretty easy to tear apart this constant unbiblical teaching. You know, when you think you are unlearning “traditions” you would be best to check the Bible, in context, rather than trusting these uneducated, unbliblical teachers, because I know you will find that YOU are the one being deceived and being dragged away from Biblcal Christianity, and from that deep and transforming walk with Jesus Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit. And into traditions from the wrong source!
“But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell! 9 As we have said before, and now I say again, if any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let him be condemned to hell!” Gal. 1:8-9 NET
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You have been deceived, and/or you are deceiving people in this forum. Condemned to hell, or “accursed” as the KJV says. Beware false teachers! Beware Paul Ellis and his lies, no matter if he appears like an angel of light![/FONT]
This comment shows that (a) you are self-deceived, (b) you have no desire to hear the truth from other Christians, (c) you have hardened your heart against sound doctrine and (d) you do not even understand that the Lord Jesus Christ HATES false doctrine. This is not the path to freedom but bondage to false teachers.
So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. (Rev 2:15,16).
So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. (Rev 2:15,16).
The Amazon Bio speaks of him teaching at a prominent Hong Kong business school. The Credentials fit.
The Bio mentions that he is a transplant from western Australia. The credentials fit.
the Bio refers to him as a respected scholar in Asian business. The credentials fit.
I am satisfied it is the same person.
The Bio mentions that he is a transplant from western Australia. The credentials fit.
the Bio refers to him as a respected scholar in Asian business. The credentials fit.
I am satisfied it is the same person.
I agree. When max challenged his credentials I was challenged to research him myself. It seemed incredible that an established author could get away with phony credentials. I am not defending Ellis's teaching! I completely disagree with him.
I was only wondering if I could find verification of the statements that Amazon and Goodreads made about him; and I did.
I was only wondering if I could find verification of the statements that Amazon and Goodreads made about him; and I did.
when you take a verse itself and then have to explain what it means, it gets distorted when you then look at it, and it is not saying that. we do not need to have any special interpretation of what each single verse means, it is set within a context, heres what im saying. what if i did this to your post.
[FONT="]"When Adam sinned he gave up man's right to rule over the earth and tend it and take care of it."
[/FONT][FONT="]"And in order to have that faith., you have to know what your having faith in"
[/FONT]what is i then went and made an explaination out of those two sentances, that completely distort what your message is in this post ? how would one Know if my " interpretation" was accurate unless they then went to see the rest of your post ? the only place to undertand what your post says, is to look at your post. ( which i like honestly and agree with much of what you say when its you alking and not distributing gog propoganda)
but i have no reason to look at your post take a line out of it, and then explain and explain what all that 1 line really means. if i want to tell people what you are really saying...i would simply copy and share your post with them. and if they were having issues understanding, i would copy and show them the context leading up to the post..ect.
when i start telling people " what J.M." really is saying to people. by only pulling a line or two from what you said......well, then im actually distorting by omission the message.
[FONT="]"When Adam sinned he gave up man's right to rule over the earth and tend it and take care of it."
[/FONT][FONT="]"And in order to have that faith., you have to know what your having faith in"
[/FONT]what is i then went and made an explaination out of those two sentances, that completely distort what your message is in this post ? how would one Know if my " interpretation" was accurate unless they then went to see the rest of your post ? the only place to undertand what your post says, is to look at your post. ( which i like honestly and agree with much of what you say when its you alking and not distributing gog propoganda)
but i have no reason to look at your post take a line out of it, and then explain and explain what all that 1 line really means. if i want to tell people what you are really saying...i would simply copy and share your post with them. and if they were having issues understanding, i would copy and show them the context leading up to the post..ect.
when i start telling people " what J.M." really is saying to people. by only pulling a line or two from what you said......well, then im actually distorting by omission the message.
About Dr. Paul Ellis
I never meant to start a blog. You might say Escape to Reality came about by accident.
For 10 years my wife and I led a multicultural church in Hong Kong. That was an “accident” too. I never wanted to be a pastor. In fact, I couldn’t think of a job I wanted less. But God ambushed us and it was one of the best adventures of our lives.
At the same time I was a professor at a gung-ho business school. I worked six days a week and led a church on Sundays. It nearly killed me.
Then we moved to New Zealand, I began to write and this is the result.
Why do I write? So that you may know that there is no bad news in the good news, and that life without Jesus is like a frame without a picture.
C.S. Lewis said, “Reality is something you couldn’t have guessed.” You could not have guessed that God loves you even when you’re a messed-up sinner. You could not have guessed that his grace is greater than your mistakes. You could not have guessed this because God’s love is greater than you can conceive or imagine.
Life isn’t about keeping the rules or pleasing the boss or paying the bills. Real life is the adventure of learning who you truly are – a dearly-loved child of God. If your goal is to explore the vast reaches of your Father’s love, you’ve come to the right place! If you want to walk in the freedom of God grace,
What else?
I’m a born and bred Cantabrian although I grew up in the great state of Western Australia. I’ve lived for years in Asia, briefly in California, and now in Auckland. If you’re interested, you can keep up with my news on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or see what I’m reading on Goodreads. I’ve written briefly about my own grace journey here.
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Here you go Maxwell., He is not so mysterious at all. AND here is a link should you still want to see for yourself if he is unfit. Just "click" and you can contact him. I guess according to some., we are guilty until proven innocent.
I never meant to start a blog. You might say Escape to Reality came about by accident.
For 10 years my wife and I led a multicultural church in Hong Kong. That was an “accident” too. I never wanted to be a pastor. In fact, I couldn’t think of a job I wanted less. But God ambushed us and it was one of the best adventures of our lives.
At the same time I was a professor at a gung-ho business school. I worked six days a week and led a church on Sundays. It nearly killed me.
Then we moved to New Zealand, I began to write and this is the result.
Why do I write? So that you may know that there is no bad news in the good news, and that life without Jesus is like a frame without a picture.
C.S. Lewis said, “Reality is something you couldn’t have guessed.” You could not have guessed that God loves you even when you’re a messed-up sinner. You could not have guessed that his grace is greater than your mistakes. You could not have guessed this because God’s love is greater than you can conceive or imagine.
Life isn’t about keeping the rules or pleasing the boss or paying the bills. Real life is the adventure of learning who you truly are – a dearly-loved child of God. If your goal is to explore the vast reaches of your Father’s love, you’ve come to the right place! If you want to walk in the freedom of God grace,
I’m a born and bred Cantabrian although I grew up in the great state of Western Australia. I’ve lived for years in Asia, briefly in California, and now in Auckland. If you’re interested, you can keep up with my news on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or see what I’m reading on Goodreads. I’ve written briefly about my own grace journey here.
Camilla is my first, best and last wife. We were married in 1999 and each year has been better than the last. We have four amazing kids.
If you would like to support my work, read this.
If you want to invite me to speak, read this.
If you’re looking for a short bio or photo you can use in your newsletter or magazine, go here.
You can contact me here.
About Escape to Reality
E2R went live on 5 February, 2010. Published articles are indexed by scripture and subject. Check out the archives for more or use the search box at the bottom right of this page.
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Here you go Maxwell., He is not so mysterious at all. AND here is a link should you still want to see for yourself if he is unfit. Just "click" and you can contact him. I guess according to some., we are guilty until proven innocent.
Methinks somebody is paying you pretty good.
yea certainly probably alot of people with the Holy spirit, need seminaries to explain to them what the bible really means i guess..... remember as you learn from doctors credited by universities that need to make mass cash, that the Bible has warned of mans religous institutions all along. if anyones teaching stuff like paul ellis, thier credentials mean absolutely nothing. its noit a credentials issue for me, its that i have read the guy too often , everything he has to say is anti everything Jesus taught. and omits the majority of pauls teachings also. he builds it all on random grace scriptures and explains why grace is God and nothing else applies. i wouldnt advise learning from this guy, there are plenty of Good people to learn from doctorates, or not, it matters what they are saying not who says it.
every teacher of the revolutionary g.o.g. teach the same talking points and always have contrary views and beliefs to what is plain its a bad spirit in that doctrine always contrary to what Jesus has said, and the majority of what the bible says. "saved by Grace" isnt the explaination of anything, or the reason we need to not believe Jesus. doctorates arent Bad, im saying degrees dont make a person a better or worse "teacher" if thats what they believe themselves to be. the Holy ghost is what matters .
there are people all over the world in desolate places full of the holy ghost teaching perfect doctrines. and have not even Heard of degree. study is good, im not so sure the instiutution of mans consensus regarding interpretation of scripture is the right way to study. but thats only my belief. degrees are paper, the spirit is what matters.
every teacher of the revolutionary g.o.g. teach the same talking points and always have contrary views and beliefs to what is plain its a bad spirit in that doctrine always contrary to what Jesus has said, and the majority of what the bible says. "saved by Grace" isnt the explaination of anything, or the reason we need to not believe Jesus. doctorates arent Bad, im saying degrees dont make a person a better or worse "teacher" if thats what they believe themselves to be. the Holy ghost is what matters .
there are people all over the world in desolate places full of the holy ghost teaching perfect doctrines. and have not even Heard of degree. study is good, im not so sure the instiutution of mans consensus regarding interpretation of scripture is the right way to study. but thats only my belief. degrees are paper, the spirit is what matters.