Why Do Charismatics Tend To Be CharisMANIACS?

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eternally-gratefull

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let me guess- just got here- another sinless perfectionist. another fraud.
No, he is part of the roman church (eastern I believe) he does not believe he no longer sins.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Charisma Magazine is the mother ship publication for Charismatics so it is a credible source for what they believe.
You still have not told me what they believe concerning eternity.

There are baptist publications all over the place. Let me tell you something, as a former baptist. Not all of them are truthful about what ALL baptists believe.

Stick to the word of God. Not some magazine, you will
be better off.
 
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heartofdavid

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Many here use gaslighting in their methods.

That is satanic
 
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Well since I never said this, Your credibility just took a major blow. And I will just consider the source

Your pagan form of Christianity is what you need to worry about. Not my FAITH In God to SAVE ME, CHANGE ME, MAKE ME HIS CHILD. CORRECT ME WHEN I MESS UP AS A LOVING FATHER, LEAVE THE FLOCK TO GO GET ME WHEN I STRAY.

Good luck trying to earn your gift.
AMEN.....works or grace, one or the other.......Salvation stands alone based upon the work, power, promises, sacrifice, shed blood and mediatorship of Christ and either he paid for our sin or all will wake up in hell.......end of story.......I stand amazed at ALL who say eternal means temporary or conditional......CAINOLOGY will not save a man much less a flea.......and either Jesus keeps his word and promises or he is an inept liar that cannot save an amoeba....

For the RECORD before anyone starts mouthing....I fully believe JESUS is GOD and he will do exactly what he said he will do...I will NEVER leave the or forsake thee, I will LOSE nothing, but raise it up the last day, HE WILL complete the work of faith he began in us and KEEP us by his power.....NOTHING shall separate us from the LOVE of GOD and NOTHING means exactly that.....
 
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NoNameMcgee

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I question if people are really saved who follow Charismatic false doctrines:

Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons.
1 Timothy 4:1 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/1ti.4.1.NLT
true faith is anyone who God calls

and believe in Jesus as their savior....
those who fall away were never saved


also not everyone whos saved will have everything 100% right

you may be saved
but you have plenty of things wrong...

or do you claim to have all knowledge?
 

stonesoffire

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What I believe is irrelevant. Everybody attacking my motive, my heart, calling me a hypocrite etc. are all irrelevant to this discussion about why do Charismatics have so many false doctrines since they are supposed to be born again?
I didnt call you anything but bitter. And you started attacking first. You can expect to reap what you sow. Going to the article now that has you in such a twisted panty mode.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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a saved believer cannot actually cease to believe

they are a new creature....

born again


those who believe of God and even for a time retain knowledge of Him
and then fall away

never believed IN Him

and He never placed the new heart and spirit in them
or they surely would have continued in faith

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Romans 1:28-29

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

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1 john

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


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Hebrews 6
6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

3 And this will we do, if God permit.

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there are those who hear the call

but are not chosen

they were not born again or they no doubt would have continued in faith

__________

proof of tasting the Holy spirit but not being born again BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF



7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ



__________

once you are born again
His incorruptible seed remains in you....

1 peter
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.


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1 peter

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.


WORDS FROM JESUS
John 6
26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.




for those who push the false doctrine that God forsakes His children
 
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true faith is anyone who God calls

and believe in Jesus as their savior....
those who fall away were never saved


also not everyone whos saved will have everything 100% right

you may be saved
but you have plenty of things wrong...

or do you claim to have all knowledge?
We don't need all knowledge just adequate knowledge which Jesus and the Apostles left us. Charismatics stray from this knowledge.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I am concerned. I do believe this is the time for the rapture to occur. And the 10 virgins IMO, fit with the time period.

I have gone through much repentance since the call of "if my people" went across our land. Am in a place now I never dreamed existed. It's the oil. The wine. The wheat.

The harvest! What if the rapture means something different than going to heaven?
Just keep focusing on christ, I would not be worried about the rapture. if your saved, and the rapture happens tomorrow. You will be ressurected as will all people. if it does not happen for 1000 years. you will still be ressurected.

Keep up the faith sis. Let God fill your lamps. He will fill them to overflowing. Try to fill it yourself. They will remain empty or contaminated and not burn, Because you have the wrong oil. Only God can fill it with the proper oil
 
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eternally-gratefull

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a saved believer cannot actually cease to believe

they are a new creature....

born again


those who believe of God and even for a time retain knowledge of Him
and then fall away

never believed IN Him

and He never placed the new heart and spirit in them
or they surely would have continued in faith

______________
Romans 1:28-29

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

________
1 john

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


______________


Hebrews 6
6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

3 And this will we do, if God permit.

___________

there are those who hear the call

but are not chosen

they were not born again or they no doubt would have continued in faith

__________

proof of tasting the Holy spirit but not being born again BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF



7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ



__________

once you are born again
His incorruptible seed remains in you....

1 peter
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.


________

1 peter

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.


WORDS FROM JESUS
John 6
26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.




for those who push the false doctrine that God forsakes His children



LOVE IT!! It passes from thread to thread. But is applicable where ever it goes!!
 

stonesoffire

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Because I'm not sexually immoral or a drunkard I am earning something? You need to explain that one.
Hey! Who else had this same argument! Wasn't that the guy with the pic of Phil something or other? On the not by works thread. Forget the name but hD the same bitterness.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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We don't need all knowledge just adequate knowledge which Jesus and the Apostles left us. Charismatics stray from this knowledge.

So does romanism

Judge not lest ye be judged.
 
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heartofdavid

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What I believe is irrelevant. Everybody attacking my motive, my heart, calling me a hypocrite etc. are all irrelevant to this discussion about why do Charismatics have so many false doctrines since they are supposed to be born again?
Wow. For someone falsely centered and attacking Charismatics,motives,and accusing the brethren,how disengenuous to fail in what the bible teaches.
"... Be ready to give an account of the hope that is within you..."

Steve Hill used to say " if you shake hands with the devil,he will bite your arm off"

Hint; maybe stop attracting attacking by backing off attacking charismatics.
 
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Charismatics sounds like some new type of chips put out by LAYS.....Hey man...have you tried the new chips yet...no what are they called....Charismatics....very tasty and crisp.....

bdeee bdeee bdeee bdeeee..........

What is happening here...................ching, ching, ching clang, parry, thurst ching ching ching
 

stonesoffire

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Just keep focusing on christ, I would not be worried about the rapture. if your saved, and the rapture happens tomorrow. You will be ressurected as will all people. if it does not happen for 1000 years. you will still be ressurected.

Keep up the faith sis. Let God fill your lamps. He will fill them to overflowing. Try to fill it yourself. They will remain empty or contaminated and not burn, Because you have the wrong oil. Only God can fill it with the proper oil
Not worried, excited. Concerned about those I love.

read that carefully EG. It says no oil.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Hey! Who else had this same argument! Wasn't that the guy with the pic of Phil something or other? On the not by works thread. Forget the name but hD the same bitterness.

phil was not orthodox.
All workers us this same argument, At least everyone i ever met,. Whether they belonged to the Church of Rome, The church which was based on Armenian, whatever church they followed.
 
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heartofdavid

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Charismatics sounds like some new type of chips put out by LAYS.....Hey man...have you tried the new chips yet...no what are they called....Charismatics....very tasty and crisp.....

bdeee bdeee bdeee bdeeee..........

What is happening here...................ching, ching, ching clang, parry, thurst ching ching ching
Means " those that believe/operate in the gifts"
Yeah,paul and peter and even Jesus himself did that.

We will note your disdain for them and the rest of Jesus body baptised in the wonderful Holy Spirit