Why Do Charismatics Tend To Be CharisMANIACS?
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The word "possessed" is an unfortu*nate translation because it connotes ownership, and we know that the devil cannot own a Christian—that is, have complete control of him. But in the Bible, there is no real distinction between being possessed and being oppressed, digressed, suppressed, obsessed and so forth. All these terms mean that a person is, to some degree, under the influence of a demon.
Personally, I do not have as much of a problem with the word "possessed" as other Christians do. In fact, to me the word "demonized" sounds worse.
When I looked up "possess" in the dictionary, I discovered that one defin*ition of the word is "to occupy." My con*tention is that if a demon occupies your big toe, he possesses that part of you. It doesn't mean he possesses your spirit, soul and body. But if he occupies even a small portion, such as a physical organ in your body—as a spirit of infir*mity does—then there is possession to some degree.
I often ask those who are skeptical of demon possession whether or not cancer is demonic. Most will agree that sickness is of the devil.
So then, I continue, is cancer inside the body, or is there something on the outside that's the problem? If it isn't on the inside, doctors probably wouldn't cut people open trying to remove it. Evidently, as a Christian, you can have something in you that is possessing a certain organ of your body and is not of God.
Knowing that a Christian can be pos*sessed (or demonized) in some part of his being raises the question: Is any part off-limits to demons? Here is where we can reconcile the issue of Jesus and the Holy Spirit residing simultaneously within someone who needs deliverance.
One thing that has helped us in our understanding is the realization that every person is made up of three parts: spirit, soul and body. When Jesus comes into a believer's life, He comes into that person's spirit. John 3:6 tells us clearly, "That which is born of the Spirit is spirit" (NKJV). A demon cannot dwell in a Christian's spirit because that is where Jesus and the Holy Spirit dwell.
This is a portion of the article that Eckhardt wrote. By the way, he is well known in circles I'm involved in.
He is saying what I said. Apparently at one time those in deliverance ministries thought demons were only on the body of a Christian.
Nothing can occupy a sealed Spirit but Holy Spirit when one is born from above. Most all in Pentecost or are Charismatic know this.
And possessed was incorrectly defined.
The soul area of our being if not Renewed to the mind of Christ, but believes wrong doctrine such as a believer can lose their salvation, or God is an ogre and His character not known, can be oppressed by lies of demonic beings. Causing depression and even mental illness. All kinds of problems occur. Plus sickness.
Many with discernment which is to see into the realm of spirit can see demons attached to bodies. Deliverance then can occur.
Please my people of the works thread.....see the need for gifts. This is just one area.
People are desperate for help. The world has nothing to offer than just placebos.
Personally, I do not have as much of a problem with the word "possessed" as other Christians do. In fact, to me the word "demonized" sounds worse.
When I looked up "possess" in the dictionary, I discovered that one defin*ition of the word is "to occupy." My con*tention is that if a demon occupies your big toe, he possesses that part of you. It doesn't mean he possesses your spirit, soul and body. But if he occupies even a small portion, such as a physical organ in your body—as a spirit of infir*mity does—then there is possession to some degree.
I often ask those who are skeptical of demon possession whether or not cancer is demonic. Most will agree that sickness is of the devil.
So then, I continue, is cancer inside the body, or is there something on the outside that's the problem? If it isn't on the inside, doctors probably wouldn't cut people open trying to remove it. Evidently, as a Christian, you can have something in you that is possessing a certain organ of your body and is not of God.
Knowing that a Christian can be pos*sessed (or demonized) in some part of his being raises the question: Is any part off-limits to demons? Here is where we can reconcile the issue of Jesus and the Holy Spirit residing simultaneously within someone who needs deliverance.
One thing that has helped us in our understanding is the realization that every person is made up of three parts: spirit, soul and body. When Jesus comes into a believer's life, He comes into that person's spirit. John 3:6 tells us clearly, "That which is born of the Spirit is spirit" (NKJV). A demon cannot dwell in a Christian's spirit because that is where Jesus and the Holy Spirit dwell.
This is a portion of the article that Eckhardt wrote. By the way, he is well known in circles I'm involved in.
He is saying what I said. Apparently at one time those in deliverance ministries thought demons were only on the body of a Christian.
Nothing can occupy a sealed Spirit but Holy Spirit when one is born from above. Most all in Pentecost or are Charismatic know this.
And possessed was incorrectly defined.
The soul area of our being if not Renewed to the mind of Christ, but believes wrong doctrine such as a believer can lose their salvation, or God is an ogre and His character not known, can be oppressed by lies of demonic beings. Causing depression and even mental illness. All kinds of problems occur. Plus sickness.
Many with discernment which is to see into the realm of spirit can see demons attached to bodies. Deliverance then can occur.
Please my people of the works thread.....see the need for gifts. This is just one area.
People are desperate for help. The world has nothing to offer than just placebos.
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well since you mentionned the devil, I am sure he derives great pleasure from the 'personal stuff' as you put it, and skillfully leads many down that path while convincing them they are discerning, doing the work of the Holy Spirit, dividing the word, contending for the truth etc etc
manipulation amounts to sorcery IMO
but that's another discussion
definitely need to send it back where it came from
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he's right
gaslighting:
Gaslighting is a form of manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, hoping to make them question their own memory, perception, and sanity.
just call it basic manipulation if that makes it simpler, but, IMO, I think that some of it is spiritually endowed and I don't mean by the Holy Spirit
gaslighting:
Gaslighting is a form of manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, hoping to make them question their own memory, perception, and sanity.
just call it basic manipulation if that makes it simpler, but, IMO, I think that some of it is spiritually endowed and I don't mean by the Holy Spirit