Why Do Charismatics Tend To Be CharisMANIACS?
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one problem with this thread, is that the op is lumping charasmatics with WOF and NAR
NOT the same
I am none of the above and not Pentecostal either
however, I believe that gifts have not ceased, but that they are badly and horribly abused and much of what passes for supposed charisma, is spiritual all right, but not holy
I have been reading and studying up more on NAR and it is a plague on Christianity and I am far from the only one that sees NAR as one of the worst, if not THE worst threat to biblical truth in circulation today
NOT the same
I am none of the above and not Pentecostal either
however, I believe that gifts have not ceased, but that they are badly and horribly abused and much of what passes for supposed charisma, is spiritual all right, but not holy
I have been reading and studying up more on NAR and it is a plague on Christianity and I am far from the only one that sees NAR as one of the worst, if not THE worst threat to biblical truth in circulation today
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I agree that there are attempts to manipulate; it's the "questioning your own memory" part that doesn't register. That's why I requested his explanation. 
you and I may not be questioning but believe me, people do question all the time and that is one way they get sucked into false spiritual moves
and also why I believe it reaches a level of spiritual input, from demons, with flesh co-operating with it
and that is prob a level of discussion some people do not want to hear about, possibly do not believe or possibly find it frightening
darkness cannot remain in the light...manipulation is an underhanded and dark way to act...do it enough and you make it a habit
You began this post by broad-brushing all charismatics as "charismaniacs". That is unwarranted. You have continued to paint all those with charismatic beliefs as though they were a homogenous (and heterodox) group. It just isn't so.
How about you start addressing the behaviours and beliefs that you find objectionable (and why) rather than lumping together and criticizing people who may or may not hold to those beliefs or behaviours?
Charisma Magazine is nothing more than a topical publication aimed at a specific target audience, just as Fine Gardening is aimed at gardeners. It doesn't define (or even claim to define) their beliefs. There isn't any central body that defines what charismatics believe.
How about you start addressing the behaviours and beliefs that you find objectionable (and why) rather than lumping together and criticizing people who may or may not hold to those beliefs or behaviours?
Charisma Magazine is nothing more than a topical publication aimed at a specific target audience, just as Fine Gardening is aimed at gardeners. It doesn't define (or even claim to define) their beliefs. There isn't any central body that defines what charismatics believe.
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I agree that there are attempts to manipulate; it's the "questioning your own memory" part that doesn't register. That's why I requested his explanation.
It is saying things like " i never said that" or " ...remember when you did this or that"
Or "...you said so and so"
All false,with a cunning design. Those that do it mostly are unaware of the hurt and harm to the recipients ,but some are calculating.
Needs to be called down and cast down
I would offer... God is simply no longer bring new prophecy (the inspired word of God) after any manner that could be added to the book of prophecy .We have it in whole with a warning not to add or subtract from it.. (that which is sealed up till the end of time.)
Speaking in tongues which simply is prophecy spoken in another language. Languages men like the apostate Jews are not accustomed to . It is not the sign spoken of according to the law below as something one would seek after .
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the LORD.Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1Co 14:21
The sign of rebellion is towards those who will not hear prophecy. It speaks to them who would not hear prophecy . Why anyone would prefer a outward sign against them to me is a mystery?
For with stammering (Mocking) lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.Isa 28:11
Strongs lexicon.... 03934 la`eg {law-ayg'}
from 03932; TWOT - 1118b; adj
AV - mocker 1, stammering 1; 2
1) mocking 1a) mocker (noun cstr)
God does not mock prophecy
They hardened their heart apposing, rejecting prophecy and did not receive the Sabbath rest spoken of in Hebrew 4 .Not mixing faith in what they did hear or see.
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.Heb 4:1-7
They obviously did not hear just as we are informed in Isaiah 28 :11-12.The sign that God mocks them points to them . Not towards them that believe prophecy as God's will.
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lol
nice way to cop out of claiming i used half truths when i posted a whole page of scripture
nice way to cop out of claiming i used half truths when i posted a whole page of scripture
Your example there is good.
We must incorporate and include the other side of the dynamic.
For example,i incorporate all your verses and mine.
You incorporate none of mine,and present yours as a whole.
It is not.
But osas is circular. And it is reason based.
Example , "....well that ole boy never was saved"
To describe a shipwrecked believer.
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i want to add i love you sis
hope i dont sound defensive
im not charasmatic
but i know proclaimed"catholics" that dont believe in the pope
or purgatory
and they pray to Jesus or Father
not mary
people can lump groups together with buzzwords
but God doesnt look at denominations or buzzwords
He looks to the heart
....
hope i dont sound defensive
im not charasmatic
but i know proclaimed"catholics" that dont believe in the pope
or purgatory
and they pray to Jesus or Father
not mary
people can lump groups together with buzzwords
but God doesnt look at denominations or buzzwords
He looks to the heart
....
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well thank you
i didnt expect a kind and reasonable response
(not a shot at you... just debates in general)
ok
this isnt about the subject at hand
but
do you believe someone born of God
actually made new
after God starts in them
placing a new heart and spirit
can fall away to the point of losing Gods promises to His children?
(losing salvation)
i didnt expect a kind and reasonable response
(not a shot at you... just debates in general)
ok
this isnt about the subject at hand
but
do you believe someone born of God
actually made new
after God starts in them
placing a new heart and spirit
can fall away to the point of losing Gods promises to His children?
(losing salvation)
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