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    Quote Originally Posted by Musicus View Post
    Well, you started the thread and made the accusations, so please enlighten. Yes, start with these 3, please.
    You don't know about the Charismatics heterodoxy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossnote View Post
    Most likely charismaniacs are those who taste the power of God, then ruuuuun with it without tempering it with wisdom from His Word. Sort of like zeal without knowledge.
    I'm wondering why they aren't interested in Biblical teaching if they are born again but prefer the weirdness instead. Like Bethel Church in Redding CA. They prefer sucking on tombstones and claiming feathers and gold, and diamonds fall from the ceiling rather than learning what the Bible actually says.

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    So....you saying that he has demons???
    Actually, no. While it can certainly be taken as a snarky comment, the point is not merely to be snarky, but to suggest that his hypercritical prejudice comes from somewhere other than Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevotiontoBible View Post
    You don't know about the Charismatics heterodoxy?
    I belonged to a charismatic-leaning Pentecostal Church for a number of years, so I do know something of it, yes. I could almost say it was one reason I left that particular church. However I have to add that they (my old church) are more orthodox in overall doctrine than you might think. I lack the experience of attending other and fuller charismatic assemblies to say much more than that at this point in time.

    I'm open to further spiritual discovery in this area. Go for it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musicus View Post
    I belonged to a charismatic-leaning Pentecostal Church for a number of years, so I do know something of it, yes. I could almost say it was one reason I left that particular church. However I have to add that they (my old church) are more orthodox in overall doctrine than you might think. I lack the experience of attending other and fuller charismatic assemblies to say much more than that at this point in time.

    I'm open to further spiritual discovery in this area. Go for it!
    I already defined what is a Charismatic. My question is why would they choose to be one given they claim to be born again by the same Holy Spirit who inspired the Bible?

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    "Charismatics just love false doctrines."

    That's a blanket statement. Unfair right from the start.
    I was thinking the same thing.
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    I was thinking the same thing.
    You have the right to think wrong. The fact of the matter is that what defines Charismatics is their departure from the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.

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    You have the right to think wrong. The fact of the matter is that what defines Charismatics is their departure from the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.
    So why not get stuck into the Catholics, Anglicans and Lutherans?
    They all claim to have the Holy Spirit as well.
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    You have the right to think wrong. The fact of the matter is that what defines Charismatics is their departure from the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.
    Judgmental much? And what would you be classified as? What is your gospel? How do you get to heaven? Can youy tell me what they believe is the gospel? Whay is yours differentfrom theirs, and what makes you right?
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    Judgmental much? And what would you be classified as? What is your gospel? How do you get to heaven? Can youy tell me what they believe is the gospel? Whay is yours differentfrom theirs, and what makes you right?
    I am right because I am orthodox not heterodox as the Charismatics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevotiontoBible View Post
    No, really? You mean that if some Charismatic (Charismatics didn't exist until after WWII) told Jesus that they are just as much an incarnation of God as Jesus, that Jesus would not bash in their skull with a rock? Wow, I didn't know that!
    I dont remeber Jesus bashing anyones head with a rock, he actually said that the one without sin should cast the first stone. Plus everyone who follows Christ gets born new in the spirit. That is foundation doctrine.
    Jesus wouldnt bash anyone, he would tell them the truth, shake the dust off of his feet and go on. Which u arent doing. U are spreading division and hatred.
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    I am right because I am orthodox not heterodox as the Charismatics.
    So you can not tell me your gospel? And what makes you right?

    what sect of orthodoxy are you? Why did you not tell me what your gospel is, and what you think theirs is? This does not answer that question


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    You have the right to think wrong. The fact of the matter is that what defines Charismatics is their departure from the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.
    I think you are using a broad brush against people. Narrow the focus or stop bashing, it really is your choice.

    Charismatics were born out of the Catholic Renewal, this included Lutherans, Catholics, etc.,

    Pentecostals[Church of God, Assembly of God, Apostolic Faith, Holiness, Oneness] were all born out of doctrinal splits.

    The you have those splinter groups that were usually from the Assembly of God and followed the WOF movement and stayed there. You also have another group called the NAR that are demonic as can be and IHOP and A bunch of other

    Then you have the very Biblical and correct Full Gospel believing groups that are not charismatics, Pentecostal , NAR, Prosperity, WOF, IHOP etc.

    These are usually the 4 square, Nazarene, and non-denominational Full Gospel places. The church of the Nazarene were the Pentecost/Full Gospel believers that came out of the Methodists, when the Methodists shifted to more liberal theology and social justice issues. Methodists by and large are now returning more towards their Wesleyan roots, which is very Biblical as Wesley preached and tuaght it. The Nazarene's never departed from things like progressive sanctification, the gifts and 5 fold ministry gifts.

    When you swipe with that foolish, broad brush you are slinging, you anger people and even me, because you are suggesting I am something I am not and imply I condone behavior and false teachings I detest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevotiontoBible View Post
    I already defined what is a Charismatic. My question is why would they choose to be one given they claim to be born again by the same Holy Spirit who inspired the Bible?
    I don't recall your asking that at the start, but OK.

    I would say peer pressure to a certain degree. That's what it was in my old church (OC), anyway. "New Wave" Charismatics don't go that far back, early 60's, and my OC caught "the Wave" in '85. Some of it stuck.

    Our founding pastor didn't push it as much as the associate pastors did, and it's pretty much a small group which one has to be invited to join. I was invited (and here it was more of a shove than a push as they said I was 'ready' for it) at one point, but I attended one class and said no thank you.

    I left the church a year later when I moved for a job, but when I eventually moved back I found a different church partly because of what they were teaching. They called it simply Advanced Spiritual Gifts classes. I think the content would be another thread.

    Another reason I guess is gullibility. Not all of it is real. What my dad used to call Holy Rollers. Traveling revivals, some of the tv ministries. Like used car salesman sometimes. Snake oil salesman. Just because someone is born again doesn't mean they have the wisdom to not get taken in by smoke and mirrors.
    And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:19

    Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. John 8:12

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    Funfact: Jesus was sinless and said who is without sin cast the first stone...HE STILL DIDNT THROW THE ROCK TO THIS DAY even tho he IS without sin still to this day. So how about get the head out of the gudder. Like orthodox is so much better with theit pagan doctrines all over the place
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demi777 View Post
    Funfact: Jesus was sinless and said who is without sin cast the first stone...HE STILL DIDNT THROW THE ROCK TO THIS DAY even tho he IS without sin still to this day. So how about get the head out of the gudder. Like orthodox is so much better with theit pagan doctrines all over the place

    He will throw the rock one day, And all of this stuff will be destroyed, as he comes sets up his throne. Then everyone will know the truth./
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demi777 View Post
    I dont remeber Jesus bashing anyones head with a rock, he actually said that the one without sin should cast the first stone. Plus everyone who follows Christ gets born new in the spirit. That is foundation doctrine.
    Jesus wouldnt bash anyone, he would tell them the truth, shake the dust off of his feet and go on. Which u arent doing. U are spreading division and hatred.
    I'm definitely spying a bit of bashing going on here. "Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge." James 4:11
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    Quote Originally Posted by valleyofdecision View Post
    I think you are using a broad brush against people. Narrow the focus or stop bashing, it really is your choice.

    Charismatics were born out of the Catholic Renewal, this included Lutherans, Catholics, etc.,

    Pentecostals[Church of God, Assembly of God, Apostolic Faith, Holiness, Oneness] were all born out of doctrinal splits.

    The you have those splinter groups that were usually from the Assembly of God and followed the WOF movement and stayed there. You also have another group called the NAR that are demonic as can be and IHOP and A bunch of other

    Then you have the very Biblical and correct Full Gospel believing groups that are not charismatics, Pentecostal , NAR, Prosperity, WOF, IHOP etc.

    These are usually the 4 square, Nazarene, and non-denominational Full Gospel places. The church of the Nazarene were the Pentecost/Full Gospel believers that came out of the Methodists, when the Methodists shifted to more liberal theology and social justice issues. Methodists by and large are now returning more towards their Wesleyan roots, which is very Biblical as Wesley preached and tuaght it. The Nazarene's never departed from things like progressive sanctification, the gifts and 5 fold ministry gifts.

    When you swipe with that foolish, broad brush you are slinging, you anger people and even me, because you are suggesting I am something I am not and imply I condone behavior and false teachings I detest.
    Then please tell me what defines you as a Charismatic if I am wrong?

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    Then please tell me what defines you as a Charismatic if I am wrong?
    I am not a charismatic. Thanks for thoughtless discussion

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