Why Do Charismatics Tend To Be CharisMANIACS?

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Nehemiah6

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I'm Pentecostal,AofG, which is under another name in Canada where I grew up. Now if you are talking about the type of doctrines in your post above Id have to agree with you. We had a group like this come in and take over our church via a Charismatic leaning pastor. Ive seen it all,trust me. It was Jumanji breaking through every time we went to church. We had country line dancing,yes,COUNTRY line dancing. Boot scootin every Sunday. We had women laying in the floor "birthing something spiritual",don't even ask. We had a woman that would run her hands up and down your body reading your "spiritual aura",lucky for her she didn't try it with me. We had the "holy laughter" where all of them would lay in the floor and laugh like idiots. We had the drunk in the spirit folk,fun to watch. Feathers from heaven,gold in the teeth. One woman wanted a "word of knowledge" for her husband who wasn't even saved.

While all of this was happening at once two of our church members were fighting cancer. One lady survived,the other was my aunt who died of stomach cancer. Our members were mourning as she lay in her hospital bed and these people were tearing the church apart. That happened years ago and people have still not been healed of the hurt that those people caused. We tossed the pastor and the circus left town with him. My take on it is that its a way to get somebody,anybody to church. People don't want to hear the old fashioned gospel anymore. We want big churches,whether they know the truth of the Word,we're not so concerned about that. JMO I experienced this foolishness first hand and I am 100% against it.
This post has the ring of authenticity since kaylagrl is actually Pentecostal and saw her church hijacked by Charismatics. What she has described confirms that the Charismatics prefer to see a circus atmosphere rather than sound Gospel preaching and Bible teaching.
 

NotmebutHim

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Although I'm not Charismatic, I would say that my views on the gifts of the Holy Spirit are somewhere between those of John MacArthur and D. R. McConnell (a Charismatic who wrote the book "A Different Gospel", which sharply criticized the Word of Faith movement).

According to most in the Charismatic and Pentecostal denominations, I would be considered a "cessationist". That does not bother me at all; I likewise consider them to be my brothers and sisters and Christ. As long as they follow sound Biblical doctrine when exercising the gifts of the Spirit.
 
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Are you asking Lucy to refute a 1500+ word article?
No. She asked how she could prove me wrong. Charisma Magazine is the mother ship for Charismatics. I defined Charismatics as leaving behind the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles for their false teachings. Now, prove me wrong with this specific example.
 
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Although I'm not Charismatic, I would say that my views on the gifts of the Holy Spirit are somewhere between those of John MacArthur and D. R. McConnell (a Charismatic who wrote the book "A Different Gospel", which sharply criticized the Word of Faith movement).

According to most in the Charismatic and Pentecostal denominations, I would be considered a "cessationist". That does not bother me at all; I likewise consider them to be my brothers and sisters and Christ. As long as they follow sound Biblical doctrine when exercising the gifts of the Spirit.
Both are good books.
 

mcubed

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Charismatics just love false doctrines. When I was born again I was able to comprehend the Bible for the first time. I had a hunger to study it. But these people won't. They listen to their "apostles" "prophets" instead. Why do they do that if they are born again?
I find this very interesting. When you understood the, the Bible, without help. Did you read healing died and miracles passed away, and speaking in tongues stopped? Or did you read about healing and miracles, and Paul gave instructions on gifits?

I am not what you call " charismaniac", nor am I Charismatic. But we should take the Bible at face value, like creation was in 6 days, "Noah's" flood was a global flood.
 

Nehemiah6

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According to most in the Charismatic and Pentecostal denominations, I would be considered a "cessationist". That does not bother me at all; I likewise consider them to be my brothers and sisters and Christ. As long as they follow sound Biblical doctrine when exercising the gifts of the Spirit.
The fact of the matter is that until the Charismatics came along, Pentecostals were generally fundamentalist Christians with mostly sound doctrine. The big difference was that they taught that speaking in tongues was the evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit. That's where other evangelicals and fundamentalists would disagree.
 
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The fact of the matter is that until the Charismatics came along, Pentecostals were generally fundamentalist Christians with mostly sound doctrine. The big difference was that they taught that speaking in tongues was the evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit. That's where other evangelicals and fundamentalists would disagree.
Let me correct you there. They teach speaking in tongues is the INITIAL evidence of being filled or Baptized in the Holy Spirit. It is not the only evidence.
 
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The fact of the matter is that until the Charismatics came along, Pentecostals were generally fundamentalist Christians with mostly sound doctrine. The big difference was that they taught that speaking in tongues was the evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit. That's where other evangelicals and fundamentalists would disagree.
...continued. ..whereas Charismatics believe any of the gifts are evidence of being filled or Baptized in the Holy Spirit.
 
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Most born-again Believers (90%) only enter into salvation and not progressive sanctification. Most only understand two things:

1. Christ died on the Cross for their sins.

2. They have accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior.


 

Gabriel2020

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You can't be baptized in the Holy Spirit without the evidence of speaking in tongues. What? you are just going to assume that you are without evidence. Jesus did not leave us ignorant.
 

stonesoffire

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Which needs saved continually after the new birth...the Spirit? Or the soul?
With being born from above, we receive the sealing of our spirit with Holy Spirit. Everything we need for life and godliness is found in our spirit. But, our soul which is mind, will, emotions is not complete. A spirit of depression or oppression can affect the soul. Deliverance may be needed.
 
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With being born from above, we receive the sealing of our spirit with Holy Spirit. Everything we need for life and godliness is found in our spirit. But, our soul which is mind, will, emotions is not complete. A spirit of depression or oppression can affect the soul. Deliverance may be needed.
So you believe in the demon possessed Christian doctrine?
 

Gabriel2020

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Let's just say a spirit filled person cannot be possessed, ,because unbelievers call themselves christians too.
 
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​Our battle is not against acts of sin, but the fight is to keep our faith in who Christ is and what He did on the Cross, so we stay in His death, burial, and resurrection and are, therefore, victorious. This is the only way we triumphant in Christ (2 Cor. 2:14). Jesus told Paul that the power of Christ could only help him when he realized how weak he himself was, and that he had to totally depend on Christ so God's power could work in and through him (2 Cor. 12:9). Most Christians are prisoners of war held captive by Satan (2 Tim. 2:24-26).
 

stonesoffire

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​Our battle is not against acts of sin, but the fight is to keep our faith in who Christ is and what He did on the Cross, so we stay in His death, burial, and resurrection and are, therefore, victorious. This is the only way we triumphant in Christ (2 Cor. 2:14). Jesus told Paul that the power of Christ could only help him when he realized how weak he himself was, and that he had to totally depend on Christ so God's power could work in and through him (2 Cor. 12:9). Most Christians are prisoners of war held captive by Satan (2 Tim. 2:24-26).
The How of the battle is to believe the promises. To overcome by His blood and His testimony.

Good post, MOG..
 
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Charismatics just love false doctrines. When I was born again I was able to comprehend the Bible for the first time. I had a hunger to study it. But these people won't. They listen to their "apostles" "prophets" instead. Why do they do that if they are born again?
I find often times they are taught the bible is stagnant and God is always moving and, they won't use this word, but it's basically the point, changing.
Anytime you don't accept some random event you are not open to a "new move of God". Therefore you have closed yourself to God and not obedient. Biblical discernment is simply not taught. And in the most extreme cases it's discouraged.

I do believe most are genuine seekers, just misguided by false teachers. The bible warns of this, so it's to be expected.
When I was saved into this teaching it was a constant turmoil and chaos. It took leaving it all behind to get closer to God and feel more at peace and secure with God.
 

stonesoffire

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I find often times they are taught the bible is stagnant and God is always moving and, they won't use this word, but it's basically the point, changing.
Anytime you don't accept some random event you are not open to a "new move of God". Therefore you have closed yourself to God and not obedient. Biblical discernment is simply not taught. And in the most extreme cases it's discouraged.

I do believe most are genuine seekers, just misguided by false teachers. The bible warns of this, so it's to be expected.
When I was saved into this teaching it was a constant turmoil and chaos. It took leaving it all behind to get closer to God and feel more at peace and secure with God.
What exactly was the teaching Ugly? You say saved into this teaching, but you mean saved into the body of Christ, right?

May I just call you UG? I cringe each time I see that user name. :) Doesn't fit your posts.