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False doctrines mix truth with lies. We should not forbid them from telling biblical truths just because they are not of Christ’s Church, but we still must expose their lies and show that they are teaching a false doctrine. Because it still remains that if the blind lead the blind both will fall into a pit (hell).
God says “They worship Me in vain” (not resulting in salvation). Therefore, since we want people’s worship to result in salvation, we must show them how their doctrine does not match that of Christ’s Church, so that they have a chance to convert to the truth, and so be saved.
God says “They worship Me in vain” (not resulting in salvation). Therefore, since we want people’s worship to result in salvation, we must show them how their doctrine does not match that of Christ’s Church, so that they have a chance to convert to the truth, and so be saved.
I have to be honest you are smarter than I am; I had to pronounce "Sectarianism" and think about it for a second to get what it was...lol Differences can be fun... they create great debates... I love a good debate... I find out I am wrong or I find out I am right... It makes me sad more people do not know how to debate their position. I think we all have it wrong... G-d is more in the middle in our extremes then we realize and we will find out when we move home to heaven how much every denomination missed it. What I will never believe is debatable is the absolutes of the the Gospel, Bible, Y-shua is 100 G-d, 100% Man, the Bible is the infallible, inerrant word of G-d, Y-shua died on the Cross, rose from the dead and is coming back.
This is where we rightfully should have problems. Should there be music in church? Church of Christ says no, yet uses a pitch pipe... Who cares... fun debate... Does the Bible condone homosexuality? That goes back to the sound doctern... If you believe you can be gay/lesbian and your minister too, you are not only of my doctrinal difference but of the Bible too. So Yes! There are very important Doctornial Matters!!!! AND YES Y-SHUA HAS SPOKE OUT IN 66 BOOKS!!!!
This is where we rightfully should have problems. Should there be music in church? Church of Christ says no, yet uses a pitch pipe... Who cares... fun debate... Does the Bible condone homosexuality? That goes back to the sound doctern... If you believe you can be gay/lesbian and your minister too, you are not only of my doctrinal difference but of the Bible too. So Yes! There are very important Doctornial Matters!!!! AND YES Y-SHUA HAS SPOKE OUT IN 66 BOOKS!!!!
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But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.”.
He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.
But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is on our side. For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.
There are some saints that believe that one would have to have a upper room experience (such in the case of acts) to perform any miracle .
There are those that believe that miracles came after the great commission was given.
There are those that say only the apostles were given power for miracles.
Others say miracles died out afterwards.
Yet we read that in our lords name while he still was on Earth they were done, and Jesus condoned the works.
This seems to go against some of the beliefs and even some doctrines established by some churches today.
Grant you not much is said about the background of the person the apostles are talking about but clearly they were offended by this.....why?
He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.
But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is on our side. For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.
There are some saints that believe that one would have to have a upper room experience (such in the case of acts) to perform any miracle .
There are those that believe that miracles came after the great commission was given.
There are those that say only the apostles were given power for miracles.
Others say miracles died out afterwards.
Yet we read that in our lords name while he still was on Earth they were done, and Jesus condoned the works.
This seems to go against some of the beliefs and even some doctrines established by some churches today.
Grant you not much is said about the background of the person the apostles are talking about but clearly they were offended by this.....why?
The bible teaches separation. Separation from unbelievers and separation from the world. We are to separate unto Christ and leave this world and its things in the past.
Paul advised separation from the guy in 1 Cor 5 who was in gross open sin. We are told in 2 Cor 6 we are admonished to separate from the unclean things.
Most folks do not like biblical separation. We are to help each other in our walk of sanctification but we cannot condone those things which bring shame on our Savior.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Paul advised separation from the guy in 1 Cor 5 who was in gross open sin. We are told in 2 Cor 6 we are admonished to separate from the unclean things.
Most folks do not like biblical separation. We are to help each other in our walk of sanctification but we cannot condone those things which bring shame on our Savior.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
"I see very few discussions and more combat than anything else. Everyone is self proclaimed Pastor, Teacher, prophet, evangelist or Apostle and feel their belief should be your belief. Sad to say, but I think many here use this as a Pulpit because God knows in real life they probably would not ever have a pulpit or other call to ministry."
A reason you hear er see different posts, thoughts, opinions, insights, revelations etc. etc. in BDF, and not from (how can I say) "the pulpit", is not because God knows they would never "have" a pulpit in real life. It's more due to (a) man, or men's vanity in "their" need (or sometimes obsession) to "keep" the "cash cow" coming into their particular church of stone. This is what I call "playing church." God, or Christ, never to my recollection in the N.T. required, commissioned, nor ordained, ANY "church of stone" mandates. (can you say "traditions of men?"). (I could go on...Maybe shall, after I read some more responses. Otherwise?...What's the friggin' "point?")
Sounds like a slick way to gather in some new members. So is the verses below.
Ac:17:22:
Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill,
and said,
Ye men of Athens,
I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
Ac:17:23:
For as I passed by,
and beheld your devotions,
I found an altar with this inscription,
TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship,
him declare I unto you.
Ac:17:22:
Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill,
and said,
Ye men of Athens,
I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
Ac:17:23:
For as I passed by,
and beheld your devotions,
I found an altar with this inscription,
TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship,
him declare I unto you.
I am not sure about the whole sectarianism, cause I don't know what that means unless it means like difference sections of denomination.
Mark 9: 38 John said to Jesus, “Teacher, we saw someone using your name to cast out demons, but we told him to stop because he wasn’t in our group.”39 “Don’t stop him!” Jesus said. “No one who performs a miracle in my name will soon be able to speak evil of me.40 Anyone who is not against us is for us. 41 If anyone gives you even a cup of water because you belong to the Messiah, I tell you the truth, that person will surely be rewarded.
Is a very wonderful scriptural message indeed. Jesus Christ said, don't stop Him, for who someone who shows the Love of God towards others, why would they speak evil of me? Anyone who is not against is us is for us.
What a great message from our Lord Jesus Christ indeed.
Mark 9: 38 John said to Jesus, “Teacher, we saw someone using your name to cast out demons, but we told him to stop because he wasn’t in our group.”39 “Don’t stop him!” Jesus said. “No one who performs a miracle in my name will soon be able to speak evil of me.40 Anyone who is not against us is for us. 41 If anyone gives you even a cup of water because you belong to the Messiah, I tell you the truth, that person will surely be rewarded.
Is a very wonderful scriptural message indeed. Jesus Christ said, don't stop Him, for who someone who shows the Love of God towards others, why would they speak evil of me? Anyone who is not against is us is for us.
What a great message from our Lord Jesus Christ indeed.
I see it as to how can we hear God not seen, according to the correct manner of spirit and not the voice of men seen the wrong manner of spirit as to how we can hear what the Spirit says to the churches .Not what the church says as a oral tradition of men .
Ultimately in the end of the matter as a summary (Luk 9:55). we find the key (what kind or manner of spirit) Of men seen or God not seen
But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.Luk 9:55
Christ was teaching the apostles how to mix faith the unseen in what they do hear or see when they do encounter a parable.
Three times he hid the spiritual understanding .
The reaction to the first time Christ as the Son of man hid the spiritul understanding. Jesus was removed from the list of who is the greatest just as if he was not there.. The out of sight out of mind manner of spirit .
The apostles would not look to the spiritul meaning because they could not except the "us" in Christ as that not seen, the faith principle .
His kingdom comes not by observation. The one manner of spirit he rebuked them in respect to.
But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest.Luk 9:45
Ultimately in the end of the matter Christ was teaching the apostles how to mix faith the unseen in what they do hear or see as we are informed in Hebrews 4.
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with "faith" in them that heard it.For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.Heb 4:1
Ultimately in the end of the matter as a summary (Luk 9:55). we find the key (what kind or manner of spirit) Of men seen or God not seen
But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.Luk 9:55
Christ was teaching the apostles how to mix faith the unseen in what they do hear or see when they do encounter a parable.
Three times he hid the spiritual understanding .
The reaction to the first time Christ as the Son of man hid the spiritul understanding. Jesus was removed from the list of who is the greatest just as if he was not there.. The out of sight out of mind manner of spirit .
The apostles would not look to the spiritul meaning because they could not except the "us" in Christ as that not seen, the faith principle .
His kingdom comes not by observation. The one manner of spirit he rebuked them in respect to.
But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest.Luk 9:45
Ultimately in the end of the matter Christ was teaching the apostles how to mix faith the unseen in what they do hear or see as we are informed in Hebrews 4.
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with "faith" in them that heard it.For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.Heb 4:1