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pottersclay

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Jesus Forbids Sectarianism Now John answered and said, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us.” But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.” .


Where do we draw the line and why? Is it only doctrinal differences?

Be nice...be kind.

Potter.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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To think it is a warning we all should head, It is easy to get sucked into denomination division. Yet I think as you just showed. Just because we may worship differently than others, does nto mean we are not brothers. The only thing that unites us is the gospel. Now if we teach different gospels. That is an issue, bit if we all preach the truth of the cross.. we should. Stand united, not divided
 

ljs

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agree with eternally-gratefull . In the essentials .. unity , in non essentials .. liberty

I actually came across this last summer , my neighbours mentioned that they had bought a cottage at a Christian camp
As we were talking about it , it came out that you can only purchase or rent there , if you are a " Pentecostal "
because they dont want the " Baptists " or any other denomination taking over .

I thought , wow , I wonder what Jesus must think of that , so sad
 
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valleyofdecision

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#4
This chat board and a specific thread on this chat board show there is no tolerance for anything but what an INDIVIDUAL or GROUP believes.

I hear a lot of people talking about agreeing on the non-essentials, yet I never have witnessed it on this board anywhere.

Discussion threads seem to be limited to gifts, tongues, salvation and Bible version.

A unified non-sectarian approach to the issue of Bible translation/Version would be this.

"I believe that only the AKJV 1611 is the only word of God, yet others are welcome to use what they believe."
"But me and my house we will use the AKJV 1611.

1/4 of the threads would disappear over night.

There seem to be no unity here and is just a representation of the real Church world. There is thread about tongues and many in that thread say the evidence of being Holy Spirit filled is speaking in other tongues. I posted that I disagreed, because I see that Love and the other fruit of the Spirit growing in our hearts and the power to witness are the evidences of being Holy Spirit filled.

I was told my Gospel was false, I am a heretic and probably not saved, all because anyone really knows that tongues is the true evidence of being Holy Spirit filled. I used to think this way, but the Holy Spirit showed me the truth. No man can take away what the Holy Spirit shows me, so it is fruitless to debate people.

It is not just doctrine that splits us, it is anything and everything else. The proper unified non-sectarian approach to the issue would have been for that poster to say, we disagree but glad you are still saved my brother, because that is truly what matters. Another 1/4 of the threads would disappear. It seems to me people can have different interpretation of different things in the Bible and still agree on Jesus Christ and him crucified, buried, resurrected and sitting a the right hand. Yet many believe if you do not see it all the SAME way, then your foundation is sand and feel the need to teach you. HAHAHAHA! whatever.

As another poster said on this thread. The Gospel is really the only thing that should unite us. That is true.

I have been here a very short time and honestly, if what I witness on the BDF part of this site is how people represent Christ in real life, I would not want to fellowship with very many, if at all.
 

Nehemiah6

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Now if we teach different gospels that is an issue...
You've hit the nail on the head. There are in fact different "Gospels" and many distortions of the Gospel. The Gospel of the RCC and the Gospel of Reformed Theology are both examples of "another gospel" -- a Gospel which is not from Scripture but includes man-made ideas. So as long as people promote error there will be divisions. The solution is simple. Abandon false gospels and return to the true Gospel of God. But it will never happen.
 

notuptome

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This chat board and a specific thread on this chat board show there is no tolerance for anything but what an INDIVIDUAL or GROUP believes.

I hear a lot of people talking about agreeing on the non-essentials, yet I never have witnessed it on this board anywhere.

Discussion threads seem to be limited to gifts, tongues, salvation and Bible version.

A unified non-sectarian approach to the issue of Bible translation/Version would be this.

"I believe that only the AKJV 1611 is the only word of God, yet others are welcome to use what they believe."
"But me and my house we will use the AKJV 1611.

1/4 of the threads would disappear over night.

There seem to be no unity here and is just a representation of the real Church world. There is thread about tongues and many in that thread say the evidence of being Holy Spirit filled is speaking in other tongues. I posted that I disagreed, because I see that Love and the other fruit of the Spirit growing in our hearts and the power to witness are the evidences of being Holy Spirit filled.

I was told my Gospel was false, I am a heretic and probably not saved, all because anyone really knows that tongues is the true evidence of being Holy Spirit filled. I used to think this way, but the Holy Spirit showed me the truth. No man can take away what the Holy Spirit shows me, so it is fruitless to debate people.

It is not just doctrine that splits us, it is anything and everything else. The proper unified non-sectarian approach to the issue would have been for that poster to say, we disagree but glad you are still saved my brother, because that is truly what matters. Another 1/4 of the threads would disappear. It seems to me people can have different interpretation of different things in the Bible and still agree on Jesus Christ and him crucified, buried, resurrected and sitting a the right hand. Yet many believe if you do not see it all the SAME way, then your foundation is sand and feel the need to teach you. HAHAHAHA! whatever.

As another poster said on this thread. The Gospel is really the only thing that should unite us. That is true.

I have been here a very short time and honestly, if what I witness on the BDF part of this site is how people represent Christ in real life, I would not want to fellowship with very many, if at all.
I hope you are not suggesting that we surrender sound doctrine to achieve unity? This has been the cry of the ecumenical movement for decades.

Christ did say the He was going to create separations.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Jesus Forbids Sectarianism Now John answered and said, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us.” But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.” .


Where do we draw the line and why? Is it only doctrinal differences?

Be nice...be kind.

Potter.

Christ defined the us. The apostles were rebuked for offering the wrong manner of spirit. it was not about following after the flesh of the apostles as that seen, but the Spirit of Christ in them, not seen

Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

What was that manner of spirit?
 

crossnote

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agree with eternally-gratefull . In the essentials .. unity , in non essentials .. liberty

I actually came across this last summer , my neighbours mentioned that they had bought a cottage at a Christian camp
As we were talking about it , it came out that you can only purchase or rent there , if you are a " Pentecostal "
because they dont want the " Baptists " or any other denomination taking over .

I thought , wow , I wonder what Jesus must think of that , so sad
Which begs the question, 'what are the essentials'?
 
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valleyofdecision

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You've hit the nail on the head. There are in fact different "Gospels" and many distortions of the Gospel. The Gospel of the RCC and the Gospel of Reformed Theology are both examples of "another gospel" -- a Gospel which is not from Scripture but includes man-made ideas. So as long as people promote error there will be divisions. The solution is simple. Abandon false gospels and return to the true Gospel of God. But it will never happen.
I think what really causes division is the "call to correct others constantly"


I think the BDF forum here is ran by people who think their call from God is to correct others and somehow save them from their belief in a false Gospel. There just seems to be this segment of people who honestly believe contending for the Gospel is somehow a mandate and they were it like a badge of authority they really do not have.

I see very few discussions and more combat than anything else. Everyone is self proclaimed Pastor, Teacher, prophet, evangelist or Apostle and feel their belief should be your belief. Sad to say, but I think many here use this as a Pulpit because God knows in real life they probably would not ever have a pulpit or other call to ministry.

If people simply refused to feed their flesh and felt called to correct others constantly and went along their business, the person spouting false teaching will eventually get the notice of administrators and moderators and likely be banned.

There are many in the BDF forum who talk a great game of how full of Christ and the fruit of they Spirit they have, but there posts say something completely different. Yet they maintain attacking a persons Gospel is what they are doing. Yeah, we have been to several real churches and seen this acted out in technicolor and the Love of God is not in any of them, only the Love of being right is in them.
 
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This chat board and a specific thread on this chat board show there is no tolerance for anything but what an INDIVIDUAL or GROUP believes.

I hear a lot of people talking about agreeing on the non-essentials, yet I never have witnessed it on this board anywhere.

Discussion threads seem to be limited to gifts, tongues, salvation and Bible version.

A unified non-sectarian approach to the issue of Bible translation/Version would be this.

"I believe that only the AKJV 1611 is the only word of God, yet others are welcome to use what they believe."
"But me and my house we will use the AKJV 1611.

1/4 of the threads would disappear over night.

There seem to be no unity here and is just a representation of the real Church world. There is thread about tongues and many in that thread say the evidence of being Holy Spirit filled is speaking in other tongues. I posted that I disagreed, because I see that Love and the other fruit of the Spirit growing in our hearts and the power to witness are the evidences of being Holy Spirit filled.

I was told my Gospel was false, I am a heretic and probably not saved, all because anyone really knows that tongues is the true evidence of being Holy Spirit filled. I used to think this way, but the Holy Spirit showed me the truth. No man can take away what the Holy Spirit shows me, so it is fruitless to debate people.

It is not just doctrine that splits us, it is anything and everything else. The proper unified non-sectarian approach to the issue would have been for that poster to say, we disagree but glad you are still saved my brother, because that is truly what matters. Another 1/4 of the threads would disappear. It seems to me people can have different interpretation of different things in the Bible and still agree on Jesus Christ and him crucified, buried, resurrected and sitting a the right hand. Yet many believe if you do not see it all the SAME way, then your foundation is sand and feel the need to teach you. HAHAHAHA! whatever.

As another poster said on this thread. The Gospel is really the only thing that should unite us. That is true.

I have been here a very short time and honestly, if what I witness on the BDF part of this site is how people represent Christ in real life, I would not want to fellowship with very many, if at all.
Its a mixed unity .Some might agree with you others not.
 
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valleyofdecision

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I hope you are not suggesting that we surrender sound doctrine to achieve unity? This has been the cry of the ecumenical movement for decades.

Christ did say the He was going to create separations.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
You make a perfectly good example.
I guess I should have disclosed that I was talking about this chat board and not real life.

3/4 of what is posted in the BDF is the same tired things all over again. Unity on chat board is a joke, but it is also and very sad to say a representation of the real church at large.
 

ljs

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Which begs the question, 'what are the essentials'?
The correct Gospel , that Christ died for our sins , was buried and rose again the third day
By putting our faith in what Jesus has done for us , and ONLY that, we are saved :)
 
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valleyofdecision

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The correct Gospel , that Christ died for our sins , was buried and rose again the third day
By putting our faith in what Jesus has done for us , and ONLY that, we are saved :)
Truth! Which gets sidelined by endless debates about Bible translations/versions, the ministry of the Holy Spirit and someone's interpretation of how the Walls fell down at Jericho and those at odds with his interpretation of how the walls fell down.


As radical as it sounds, salvation in of itself is a elementary doctrine. I personally think that those who talk only about salvation, have no other depth in Bible knowledge. We hardly hear anyone talk about progressive sanctification or teaching what it is to live the life after salvation. Evangelizing is good but it does not grow people.
 

ljs

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Truth! Which gets sidelined by endless debates about Bible translations/versions, the ministry of the Holy Spirit and someone's interpretation of how the Walls fell down at Jericho and those at odds with his interpretation of how the walls fell down.


As radical as it sounds, salvation in of itself is a elementary doctrine. I personally think that those who talk only about salvation, have no other depth in Bible knowledge. We hardly hear anyone talk about progressive sanctification or teaching what it is to live the life after salvation. Evangelizing is good but it does not grow people.
Of course Discipleship is important , its important to not stay a babe in Christ , and to grow and mature , and as long as people dont ADD that to salvation & change the simplicity found in Christ then Im all for discussing it , Im far from perfect myself , and love studying about how to walk the walk
 
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pottersclay

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I think that alot of people come here for the sake of debate. 90 % of the threads are the same things that have been debated for yrs.
Being a Christian covers a broad spectrum of views and thoughts but being a born again Christian narrows it down. (And yes there is a difference).

I've heard it said that if you listen to someone's convictions in there faith you can tell which one of the apostles they heard the gospel message through. If that true or not who knows but we can all agree that the first 12 were all different.
Saints we all agree that Jesus is the son of God. That he died according to scripture and rose again on the third day according to scripture. That he is the only begotten of the father. He is lord. Savior, friend, ect. But let us also agree that some may view him different than others.
Matthew viewed him as the Messiah. Peter saw him as Lord and friend. John was just overwhelmed by his love. Luke and Paul not eye witnesses but both having a very different flavor of writing about this same Jesus.
We all know that the holy spirit inspired all the writings but how much personal personality do you find and why?
 

NayborBear

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Jesus Forbids Sectarianism Now John answered and said, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us.” But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.” .


Where do we draw the line and why? Is it only doctrinal differences?

Be nice...be kind.

Potter.
Doctrinal differences? Or, is it more like churches of stone demonationalism, like a coupla others posted? Or, is it something else?
 
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finaldesire

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Jesus Forbids Sectarianism Now John answered and said, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us.” But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.” .


Where do we draw the line and why? Is it only doctrinal differences?

Be nice...be kind.

Potter.
1 Corinthians 4:20 (NIV)
20 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.

All this talking and debating just weakens the body of Christ and splits people up.
 
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This is why we as followers of Christ must teach God's prescribe order of victory (Romans 8:2) with kindness and graciousness so we (Christians) don't enter into the sin of sectarianism; believing that if you are not associated with me, you are not saved, or else, at the best, a second-class Christian, as if there were such a thing (Luke 9:49-50). No effort is to be made to hinder anyone from attempting to do the Work of God even if they disagree.

JSM notes
 

Adstar

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Jesus Forbids Sectarianism Now John answered and said, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us.” But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.” .


Where do we draw the line and why? Is it only doctrinal differences?

Be nice...be kind.

Potter.
If someone does not believe Jesaus and does not trust 100% in the Atonement Jesus secured for our salvation.. Then i draw a line between me and that person... As far as being a Brother or Sister in Jesus is concerned..