F.B.I. Confirms a Sharp Rise in Mass Shootings - active shooters

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Why not try something called “strong gun laws” like most other civilised countries have!

Guns do not kill people. people kill people. all gun laws do at the most is prevent people from owning a gun to protect themselves. the criminals will beat the system and get them anyway. History proves this.
 
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Guns do not kill people. people kill people. all gun laws do at the most is prevent people from owning a gun to protect themselves. the criminals will beat the system and get them anyway. History proves this.
AMEN....I have about 10 guns including a AR-15, SAIGA 12 guage, JM tactical 12 guage and numerous other long guns and assorted hand guns....none of them have killed anyone or wanted to kill anyone...and the funny thing....the countries with gun bans and strict gun laws still have shootings or people sawing heads off with knives or bombs going off or running over people en masse with cars etc.....let us examine other facts....maybe we should ban everything that kills people....

Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.

Globally, tobacco use killed 100 million people in the 20th century, much more than all deaths in World Wars I and II combined. Tobacco-related deaths will number around 1 billion in the 21st century if current smoking patterns continue

General Cell Phone Statistics. The National Safety Council reports that cell phone use while driving leads to 1.6 million crashes each year. Nearly 330,000 injuries occur each year from accidents caused by texting while driving. 1 out of every 4 car accidents in the United States is caused by texting and driving.

Excessive alcohol use led to approximately
88,000 deaths and 2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) each year in the United States

The violent, high-profile tragedies have understandably captured the nation’s attention. But they contribute to 154 mass shootings, 6,880 gun-related deaths, and 13,504 firearm injuries in 2017 alone

Let's be consistent....ban cars, cigarettes, cell phones, alcohol because of how many deaths they cause.....

alcohol alone kills 12.79 times the amount of guns......and in the number above on guns that includes more than murders.....

140 million registered gun owners and a total of 13,504 gun related injuries.........

13504 gun related injuries divided by 140 million registered gun owners = .0000964571 incidents per gun owner
 
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Be cautious on a Dr. visit. They will ask a series of fast yes and no answer questions and get you on a roll then ask "Are there any guns in the home?"

That is no ones business and that was our answer. They didn't like our answer, and I frankly don't care.
 

hornetguy

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I have said this before, and will KEEP saying this until people wake up to the proven danger....

Nearly EVERY one of these shootings have one thing in common.

The shooter is either taking, or has just stopped taking, one of the psychotropic types of drugs that are prescribed like candy by doctors.... drugs like adderall, Ativan, Haldol, lexaprol,...... there is a list on wiki that has at least 6 or 7 of these types of drugs for nearly every letter of the alphabet...

ALL of these drugs fit in the definition of " Psychotropic medication: Any medication capable of affecting the mind, emotions, and behavior. "

This is the ONLY common denominator in the recent rash of un-explainable shootings. Simple research will show the correlation between the frequency of this type of thing and the growing frequency of the prescribing of these types of drugs.

This is not to say that every child that takes Ativan for ADHD is going to become a mass shooter, but if the correct "mental conditions" are present, and are stimulated/changed by the mind-altering drug, you have an un-explainable mass event.

Here is a link to only one of many websites that discuss this issue.... the issue that the pharmaceutical industry doesn't want the mainstream media discussing....

https://www.cchrint.org/2017/10/10/another-mass-shooting-another-psychiatric-drug/
 

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Guns do not kill people. people kill people. all gun laws do at the most is prevent people from owning a gun to protect themselves. the criminals will beat the system and get them anyway. History proves this.
History and current legislation in other civilised countries prove the OPPOSITE, actually, so you gun lobbyists are not only lying to yourselves, but everyone else you engage in with!
 

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I have said this before, and will KEEP saying this until people wake up to the proven danger....

Nearly EVERY one of these shootings have one thing in common.

The shooter is either taking, or has just stopped taking, one of the psychotropic types of drugs that are prescribed like candy by doctors.... drugs like adderall, Ativan, Haldol, lexaprol,...... there is a list on wiki that has at least 6 or 7 of these types of drugs for nearly every letter of the alphabet...

ALL of these drugs fit in the definition of " Psychotropic medication: Any medication capable of affecting the mind, emotions, and behavior. "

This is the ONLY common denominator in the recent rash of un-explainable shootings. Simple research will show the correlation between the frequency of this type of thing and the growing frequency of the prescribing of these types of drugs.

This is not to say that every child that takes Ativan for ADHD is going to become a mass shooter, but if the correct "mental conditions" are present, and are stimulated/changed by the mind-altering drug, you have an un-explainable mass event.

Here is a link to only one of many websites that discuss this issue.... the issue that the pharmaceutical industry doesn't want the mainstream media discussing....

https://www.cchrint.org/2017/10/10/another-mass-shooting-another-psychiatric-drug/
According to the Word in Revelation 9:20-21, it is mans love for the work from his hands that drives him to commit all manner of sin, including murders. As the world is scheduled to progress further into idoloatry, these sins will then likewise further increase.

Revelation 9:20 [FONT=&quot]And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:[/FONT][FONT=&quot]21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.[/FONT]
 

trofimus

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Guns do not kill people. people kill people. all gun laws do at the most is prevent people from owning a gun to protect themselves. the criminals will beat the system and get them anyway. History proves this.
Nobody of those teachers and students were protecting themeselves with guns, so this theory does not work.

People kill people, but with guns freely given to everybody, people can kill much more other people than with bare hands.
 

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Nobody of those teachers and students were protecting themeselves with guns, so this theory does not work.

People kill people, but with guns freely given to everybody, people can kill much more other people than with bare hands.
Ever heard of dynamite.........or Timothy McVay
 

trofimus

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Ever heard of dynamite.........or Timothy McVay
I know what is a dynamite. I do not know any Timothy McVay.

And I do not know what you are trying to say.
 

hornetguy

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I know what is a dynamite. I do not know any Timothy McVay.

And I do not know what you are trying to say.
He is saying that if there were no guns, then murders would likely resort to explosives.... bombs.

This is what Timothy McVeigh did in Oklahoma City, with a van loaded with a homemade fertilizer bomb.... 168 people dead, with scores more injured.

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trofimus

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He is saying that if there were no guns, then murders would likely resort to explosives.... bombs.

This is what Timothy McVeigh did in Oklahoma City, with a van loaded with a homemade fertilizer bomb.... 168 people dead, with scores more injured.

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I suppose that buying a gun in a legal store is not comparable to buying a dynamite, C4, semtex and other explosives. Or is it, in the USA? Then, something is really not OK.
 

hornetguy

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I suppose that buying a gun in a legal store is not comparable to buying a dynamite, C4, semtex and other explosives. Or is it, in the USA? Then, something is really not OK.
You are correct, it is easier to buy a firearm than an explosive.

At the time of McVeigh's attack, buying ammonium nitrate fertilizer and diesel oil was legal for nearly anyone. Since that event, there have been more restrictions placed on the purchase of ammonium nitrate fertilizer.
 

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You are correct, it is easier to buy a firearm than an explosive.

At the time of McVeigh's attack, buying ammonium nitrate fertilizer and diesel oil was legal for nearly anyone. Since that event, there have been more restrictions placed on the purchase of ammonium nitrate fertilizer.
Good old fashioned black powder is not all that difficult to make. Not easy but not overly difficult. Gasoline or propane can be readily converted into a weapon of mass destruction.

Practice peace .

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

JaumeJ

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Timothy McVey used a truckload of fertilizer for his bomb.
 

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I'm late to this party, but I just want to throw my two cents in. I believe the biggest reason we are seeing a rise in mass shootings and murders is because this nation is completely going the way of Sodom and Gomorrah, the same things that were transpiring in that city then, are now happening at a nation wide level now, and the US is becoming the new Sodom and Gomorrah. Parents have completely turned their children over to the government, and proper parenting and traditional parenting is no long acceptable, and not to mention, taking out and keeping God out of the school systems. It all comes down to one word throughout the generations......Rebellion..... There are good Christian people here in this country, but there is strong rebellion against God in this nation, and it's very overwhelming. Without coming to know Jesus and the peace only He can bring to one's heart and life, there is no hope, there is no peace, there is no conscience or moral compass without Him.

Guns are not the problem, and they haven't been the problem....people rebelling from God have been the problem. Always have been, and according the Word always will be. Always keep your light shining in the world, because it's getting darker, and darker, and darker, and it needs Jesus right now more than it ever has.

 
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We are fighting a spiritual battle what you can not see​, but the effects of it you can see.
Murder is not first and foremost a gun or skin problem. It is a sin problem. Once you admit that murder is a sin problem, you are obligated as a believer to deal with it right away. As long as the issue of murder is social and not spiritual, it will never be dealt with in any ultimate sense. Every attempt to address this evil leads to the frustration of seeing it pop up somewhere else. Many Christians want “God bless America,” but not one nation under God.” When God allows, or even causes, things to be shaken nationally, locally, or even personally, know this: do not "refuse Him who is speaking." God is talking. In fact, the shakier things get, the louder He is speaking. "See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking." (Hebrews 12:25)

Pastor Tony Evans

 
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People die every day. Murders can be forgiven...

nothing new under the sun.
 

JaumeJ

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Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until

the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
 

JaumeJ

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It is always good to remind the family in Yeshua, Jesus, there is but one sin that is unpardonable, or cana be..........depending on where you read on it.

Again I must stronly emphasizee because of this truth tahat we are not yet honored with the judgment to be confered ujpon the saints.

When this honor isbestowed, it is quite true judgment will be according to the wisdom of our Savior, and not proceeding from us.

People die every day. Murders can be forgiven...

nothing new under the sun.