F.B.I. Confirms a Sharp Rise in Mass Shootings - active shooters

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People die every day. Murders can be forgiven...
nothing new under the sun.
Should we punish disobedient children?
Did Jesus say we can break the laws of the land?

What about capital punishment , should it be inforced?
Do you know Jesus even favored the death penalty?

The Old Testament of the Bible speaks with perfect plainness on the issue of capital punishment:
“He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death” (Exodus 21:12).

Genesis 9:6 and Leviticus 24:17 also give full authority to those sitting in judgment to execute a
murderer. Deuteronomy 19:11-13 commands unsparing punishment for such a killer: “…deliver him
into the hand of the AVENGER OF BLOOD, that he may die. Thine eye SHALL NOT PITY HIM,
but thou shalt PUT AWAY THE GUILT of innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with thee.”

Strong words, those. The God of the Old Testament clearly favored the death penalty.
The scriptures show that Jesus Christ was the God of the Old Testament.
In the New Testament book of Romans, God REAFFIRMS that authority:

“Let every soul be subject unto the governing authorities. For there is no authority except
from God, and the authorities that exist [speaking of man’s governments and courts] are
appointed by God.… For he [a government or court official] is God’s minister [“servant”
or “magistrate” in some translations] to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he
does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an AVENGER TO EXECUTE
WRATH on him who practices evil” (Romans 13:1-4; New King James Version).

The God of love tells us in such scriptures as Hebrews 12:5-6 that for our own good those who
commit wrong must be corrected. Correction is the God-given means to prevent crime and other
problems. Using strong correction FORCES CHANGE in criminals convicted of lesser offenses
and eliminates entirely the threat of those convicted of violent crimes such as murder.

“Punishment, when meted out in the proper manner, and at the proper time, is one of the
greatest blessings a human being—at any age—can receive!” The reason is that if we do
not receive correction, we will proceed on a course to our own destruction (Proverbs 14:12).

Through correction, God can steer us in the path toward a happy, fulfilled life.

Many people reject God’s clear commandments involving implementation of the death penalty.
And though the death penalty was reinstated by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1976, Americans have
demenstrated a fear to sternly correct evildoers, and are vacillating in their determination to use
the God-given option of executing people for horrible wrongs.

As the late FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover once stated about our modern permissive society,
we have “substituted INDULGENCE for discipline.” The result is that our prisons are full
to overflowing and our society is inundated in violent crime.

Discipline Promptly

In Proverbs 19:18, God gives us the principle that applies to disobedient children, juvenile delinquents
or hardened criminals. We are told, “Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for
his crying” (Proverbs 19:18). There comes a point for an undisciplined child when there is no (or very
little) hope of correcting bad behavior. Often, a delinquent—and finally a hardened criminal—will result
because the parents were too soft during their child’s early years, when they had the greatest hope of
curbing the child’s self-centered and destructive ways.

As parents and as a society, we are not to “spare for his crying” by lessening the punishment. Proverbs
13:24 admonishes us, “He who spares his rod hates his son, but he who loves him DISCIPLINES HIM
PROMPTLY” (NKJV). For the good of society and the individual, swift, stern justice must be meted
out when wrongs are brought to light.

Ecclesiastes 8:11 tells us the importance of swift punishment when it says, “Because sentence against
an evil work is not EXECUTED SPEEDILY, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them
to DO EVIL.” How clear and wise! When wrongdoing is not immediately punished, then all or almost
all of the deterrent value to any subsequent punishment is lost!

As for determining a person’s guilt, there is only one biblical rule: “Whoever kills a person, the
murderer shall be put to death on the testimony of witnesses; but one witness is not sufficient
testimony against a person for the death penalty” (Numbers 35:30). Deuteronomy 17:6 agrees:
“Whoever is worthy of death shall be put to death on the testimony of two or three witnesses,
but he shall not be put to death on the testimony of one witness” .

In God’s eyes, repeated reprieves and appeals—and now, insistence upon DNA testing to
verify guilt—should not be necessary for death-row inmates.

Ezra 7:26 guides us toward speedy response to crime by stating, “And whosoever will not do the
law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be
unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment.”

The criminal mind does not respect authority. The only thing such a person respects is equal or
stronger FORCE! And when that strong force is used immediately to severely punish an offender,
it makes others of like mind think twice before acting likewise.

However, once again, the liberal element in our society says there is little deterrent value in
punishments such as the death penalty. They have a point—but only because of how hesitant
our courts are to use the death penalty!

The Deterrence Factor

No sane man or woman wants to put another person to death. It is understandable to have
a certain degree of pity for someone who is going to die, even if he or she deserves to die.

People who commit crimes are promised a fair trial—NOT a perfect trial. Yet so many of the
habeas corpus appeals (many of which amount to little more than stalling tactics) are procedural
and/or frivolous in nature, nit-picking the court over minor imperfections in court procedure.

Flawed humans will make mistakes. But that must not stop us from following God’s plain commands!
A swift death penalty was intended by our Creator to deter or restrain additional people from com-
mitting the sin of murder. To stop or delay the death penalty because the courts are afraid of making
a mistake is direct disobedience to God and His laws!

Many a career criminal has already proven he cannot “make it” in normal society; and if he murders,
rapes, robs and commits general mayhem, SO WHAT? He knows he’ll be provided food and shelter
for the rest of his life so that he never has to work again!

Why should he fear to kill? Even though he probably murdered unmercifully, the “merciful” liberals
will see to it that HIS life is spared so that the taxpayers can support him for the next 20, 40 or 60
years in a prison environment where he is “somebody”—a “man among men” so to speak!


We must not get softer on crime, we must get tougher!

The book of Proverbs states, “When the scorner is punished, the simple is made wise,”
and “Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware” (Proverbs 21:11; 19:25). People can
learn vicariously from the experiences of others!


The deterrent effect of the death penalty is muted because of current practices. But even
basic understanding of human nature tells us that, if administered properly, the death penalty
would have a significant deterrent effect!
 

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Another School Shooter, by Another [Fatherless Child]
https://www.massshootingtracker.org/

Former classmates said Cruz was a “loner.”
His adopted father died when he was 6 years old, and
his adopted mother died of pneumonia last November.

Like so many mass shooters, Cruz was a disturbed child from
a fatherless home who developed a fascination with violence.
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The Director of the National Marriage Project at the University of Virginia, Brad
Wilcox, pointed out in 2013 that nearly every U.S. school shooting that year involved
a young male whose parents either divorced or never married in the first place.

“[A]s the nation seeks to make sense of these senseless shootings, we must also face
the uncomfortable truth that turmoil at home all too often accounts for the turmoil we
end up seeing spill onto our streets and schools,” he wrote in his article “Sons of Divorce,
School Shooters.” “The social scientific evidence about the connection between violence
and broken homes could not be clearer.”
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America has turned away from God’s laws governing family life and private morality.
Broken families across the nation are producing killers and criminals at a record rate.

The importance of a father’s role in society, one of the main attacks by the devil.


The recent incident ‘Breakfast With Dads’ Shows Fathers Are Needed more then ever!
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dal...kfast-south-dallas-middle-schooler-dads-event

The school wanted their sons to bond with their fathers. More than 800 of the school’s 900
students are from low-income families; many are from broken homes. Hundreds of the 11-to-13
year-old boys simply did not have a father to come with them to breakfast. So sign-up was low.
Only 150 boys. And still there were not enough dads.

So the school asked men to volunteer. “The reality of a great event like this is a lot of our kids
will not have a dad present. But there is nothing like having a male present in the form of a mentor,”
one organizer posted on social media. “We are in need of at least 50 or more additional male mentors
who can devote 1 hour of their Thursday morning next week to this cause.”

The Dallas Morning News picked up the story.
And when breakfast on Thursday came, an astounding six hundred men showed up.
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“The look of awe—even disbelief—in students’ eyes as they made their way through the
crowd of ‘Dads’ was astonishing,” wrote Stephanie Drenka,
https://stephaniedrenka.com/breakfast-with-dads/


Present and accounted for that day was assistant Dallas police chief Jason Rodriguez. He wrote,
“Words cannot describe the impact mentoring youth can have on both you and your mentee.
Powerful to see a community of fellow men and fathers come together to wrap their arms around
[our] young men.”
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For all the extremes our societies have gone to in order to destroy the role of dads, we still
see that a grown man who works, who produces more than he consumes, who cares about his
community, who gives his time to growing boys, is a good thing.

This story struck a nerve, and not just in Dallas. Inspiring photos from Drenka and others are up
at abc, cnn, msnbc, Fox News, the Washington Post, the Daily Mail and many other outlets.

Organizers created a Facebook community to turn “Breakfast With Dads” into a movement.
https://www.facebook.com/breakfastwithdads
Breakfast with Dads –
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Satan hates God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. The devil hates the God ordained family
and is conspiring to destroy you physically and spiritually. He never had an opportunity to be
in God’s family. That knowledge only intensifies his hatred.

America's morality, or lack there of, and our broken family's, will be our countrys downfall.
Our boys need dads! Not just dads but those fathers who believe in and pratice Biblical Manhood.
• Man of God • Leader • Provider • Protector • Husband • Father • Builder •
 
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i think if every able minded person without a criminal history had a gun


these shooters could be dealt with easier


the worst thing to do
is take guns from the public

and make it so only criminals and police have them


at least give the teachers mental evaluations and a gun

if not

then more money to school for higher security

(mentions schools because kids shouldnt have guns and need to be protected... also this recent rise of shootings has seemed to be more directed at schools)
This doesn't work for several reasons:
1. I cannot/will not shoot anyone ever for any reason. Yes, I know people say, "given the right circumstances," but, nope, nope, nope. I've been in just those right circumstances and still could not. (No problems kneeing in the groin or causing enough injuries to keep them in the hospital for three months. Just can't shoot someone. lol)

2. One-third of people in those situations -- with gun in hand -- freeze, thus giving open target to the assailant with a gun, or even an assailant without a gun, since he/she simply takes the gun from the person with a gun, but can't shoot.

3. I live in Philly. Rough public school system, so they do have security going in, including metal detectors. One in four teachers will be put in the hospital or morgue by students. (Usually hospitals.) Hubby's friend's daughter ended up in that high school for a month, before she had to use the girl's room. She went in, saw a gang of girls smoking, and when they saw her, they pulled out their knives. (And that's when she turned around and headed straight to the door never to return to that school.)

4. If you tested the teachers in our school system for any mental conditions, they'd all fail! Who else but crazy people will want to take those jobs?

5. We're already pouring money into school systems like we pour money into Detroit. Lots of money, and yet it is never spent for its real purpose. (One of two outcomes for most students going to Philadelphia public schools -- they'll either quit at 16 or graduate at 18, but it doesn't really matter, because most are illiterate either way.) Why pour more in?
 
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It really does amaze me how many think America is both wrong, and yet the place the world comes to for freedom.

And it amazes me how often everyone says "gun control is the answer," and yet our guns are more controlled than most countries.

The latest shooter? Yeah, he had guns illegally for a multitude of reasons. Exactly how well is "gun control" working?
 
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It really does amaze me how many think America is both wrong, and yet the place the world comes to for freedom.

And it amazes me how often everyone says "gun control is the answer," and yet our guns are more controlled than most countries.

The latest shooter? Yeah, he had guns illegally for a multitude of reasons. Exactly how well is "gun control" working?
And the same countries that have banned guns and will mouth Americans for having guns, will be among the first countries to look to the U.S. and desire OUR military to defend their nations and or police the world.........during World war I and II the fact that Americans had grown up with weapons and knew how to shoot from hunting and sport shooting allowed Americans to help win 2 world wars and save everyone's butt.......It is fine when they need it, but like to mouth when situations like this arise.

Simple solution....quit coddling criminals and if one is guilty or proven guilty of such atrocities as what just took place like a mass shooting, or using a car to run over people or a bomb.......death immediately and make every criminal in jail watch it live.....no life in prison, no repeals, no death row.......whacked without mercy....eye for an eye, life for life.......that's my view....

DISCLAIMER.....IF PROVEN GUILTY BEYOND DOUBT by video, DNA, multiple witnesses etc.......