What is sin?

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eternally-gratefull

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Funny. I still have those catechism questions that my mum drilled so carefully into my head firmly in place. I may not realize they're there, but when someone asks the question (in the proper wording), it is like pressing a button...the response is automatic.

According to the Westminster divines, "sin is any wont of conformity unto or transgression of the law of God."

In modern words, any time you don't mold your life perfectly to God's law, and when you go against it.

Action, word, thought, all of that stuff is sinful if not conformed to God's law.

God's measurement of sin is often VERY different from the human measurement; but in the end, the human measurement isn't going to matter. We'll all see God's measurement as just and right.
Does God law tell us what every sin is? If it does not (and I will say it does not even come closes to doing that) then how can we use that as a measuring stick? It would be giving us false data, and a false sense of accomplishment (ie, I am doing ok. I am obeying Gods law) when in reality, we could be sinning all the time and not see it, because we are following letters. Not the spirit.
 
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Tinuviel

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Does God law tell us what every sin is? If it does not (and I will say it does not even come closes to doing that) then how can we use that as a measuring stick? It would be giving us false data, and a false sense of accomplishment (ie, I am doing ok. I am obeying Gods law) when in reality, we could be sinning all the time and not see it, because we are following letters. Not the spirit.
What do you call God's law? I guess I would call that every instructional passage...Old and New Testaments, but of course some of the Old Testament laws have been fulfilled. So yeah...I think probably most of the sins are outlined/implied in that; that is how we know it is sin, after all! And from Christ's teaching and expounding on the Ten Commandments (how they extend to our thought-life, feelings, etc) I think it is pretty clear that we cannot follow it fully, which is why Christ came :)
 

Nehemiah6

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Does God law tell us what every sin is?
The whole of the Old Testament is called "the Law". So yes, between the OT and the NT, all sins have been revealed to mankind. Anyone who suggests otherwise is simply trying to avoid the truth.
 
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Adding to the law, condemning what God does not condemn.

This is what the pharisees did, and so do other groups. But let us look at their objectives.
If you put sin worth of hell, on everything, you exclude the ability of anyone being acceptable
to God even when cleansed, purified and made holy.

So feeling annoyance, sin, feeling fear, sin, appreciating the beauty of an individual, sin, wanting
something to meet a need, sin, doing anything that involves yourself, sin.

So you end up with a belief system which is full of self condemnation, while allowing the individual
to not deal with the true sinful issues in their life, find real cleansing and sort their heart out.
This theology appeals to the disfunctional and those who refuse to repent. It provides them with
a way of feeling religious while staying in the world. The last thing in their mind is dying to self
and living to God, God is only followed on certain conditions, and one is not giving up pet failures.

An illustration of this if you have to have a clean house, rather than cleaning it, you say every house
is full of dirt so all fail, so there is no need to clean it, because it makes no difference.

And their response to anyone who says walking with Jesus and being cleansed is possible, they will
hound to try and get a sinful response, to then say, ha ha, found you out. This is no different than
sinners hating christians, and excusing not coming to Christ because no one lives a Christ centered life.

This is one step away from the universalists view of faith, all are saved, some just realise it.
 
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Why did God bring the law?

To show how close man is to knowing God, and also how far away.

The process was to show the way, and promise to empower people who walk in faith
with Jesus, cleansed purified and made Holy.

The law is a measure of success and failure. It is not the means of success or a self
justifier, just saying you have met God and He has changed you.

Now this is a big problem for those who claim to have met God, but fail so badly. They
have much to work through or quicker still, change the faith and just ignore sin.
Which is the easier option?
 
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You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
Matthew 23:24-25

Jesus is saying the teachers understood some small issues and tried very hard to work
out how to not sin, yet ignored the issues in their hearts that defiled and destroyed them.

It is no different today, with the condemners of lots of causes of sin and root issues, but
fail to actually repent of sin, and get their hearts sorted out.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The whole of the Old Testament is called "the Law". So yes, between the OT and the NT, all sins have been revealed to mankind. Anyone who suggests otherwise is simply trying to avoid the truth.
When most people speak of the law. They speak of the law given to Moses.
 

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The whole of the Old Testament is called "the Law". So yes, between the OT and the NT, all sins have been revealed to mankind. Anyone who suggests otherwise is simply trying to avoid the truth.
Which "all sins" is that?
 
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dalconn

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1 john 5:17
All unrighteousness is sin
 

Nehemiah6

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Which "all sins" is that?
Why are you looking for a catalog of sins? Every sin and every kind of sin is mentioned in Scripture, but Christians are to reject ungodliness and worldly lusts and live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world.
 

LibrarianLeo

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Why are you looking for a catalog of sins? Every sin and every kind of sin is mentioned in Scripture, but Christians are to reject ungodliness and worldly lusts and live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world.
Since we are not Gods, that would cover most everything we are and do.
 

Nehemiah6

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Becasue it's important to have a full definition?
In that case you should work your way from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 and make your own comprehensive list of sins.
 
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No need to guess my friends God's Word is very clear on what sin is..

WHAT IS SIN?

James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW


James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW

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1 John 3
4 Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)
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Romans 7

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

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Romans 3

20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
Once again Paul is in agreement with John and James which all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN because as James, John and Paul all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments.

SIN is the transgression of ANY of God's 10 Commandments. Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN SIN will NOT enter in to God's KINGDOM

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.