If I kill you but do not murder you is it sin? If I hate you but nice to your face is it sin? Does what takes place in the mind equal sin? WHAT IS SIN? Is it an action, or a word, or a thought... or is it all the the above? Or did I just not murder tonight but under my breath I called you very bad names... so I am all good? How do you think humans see sin and how do you think G-d does? Do we have different barometers to sin?
What is sin?
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The literal term is to "miss the mark" (gk Hamarte). God has set the standard (perfection) anyone who falls short of that standard has sinned.
SIn can be an action (adultry) a thought (Look at a woman with lust) and a non action (he who knows to do good but do not do it, to him it is sin).
in other words, Sin is self righteousness, If I do something out of love for self. it is sin, if I do the same action out of love for others, or Love for God (st my minds on things of the spirit) it is not sin.
Sin is found in 2 laws. Love the lord you God with all your heart mind and soul, and love your neighbor (which is everyone, even those who hate and persecute you, or are your enemy)
SIn can be an action (adultry) a thought (Look at a woman with lust) and a non action (he who knows to do good but do not do it, to him it is sin).
in other words, Sin is self righteousness, If I do something out of love for self. it is sin, if I do the same action out of love for others, or Love for God (st my minds on things of the spirit) it is not sin.
Sin is found in 2 laws. Love the lord you God with all your heart mind and soul, and love your neighbor (which is everyone, even those who hate and persecute you, or are your enemy)
Sin is an act.
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Don't be deceived, my dear brothers.
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
James 1:13-17
So hatred is not the sin, the sin is the hurtful, aggressive acts that result from the hatred.
The tree is hatred, the fruit is the sinful acts.
But if one had only the hatred, it would destroy everything else, even though the acts may
not show themselves.
So we have to deal with the source of the sinful acts not just appear righteous.
We will always have human passions, but they are not sinful, it is the inappropriate acts that are.
Legalists will claim it is sinful to even have the passions, which is where they believe original sin
resides and go so far as to say, sex is sinful.
In truth the only way to live righteously, is to have love in ones core, and be driven by love and
need in others and oneself.
Jesus called this cleaning the inside of the bowl, dealing with the source of sinful behaviour, not
just appearing to be righteous, but actually living pure, Holy lives. This is no easy thing and generations
of pious people have sought many ways to express this, often failing to grasp its reality.
The apostles say dwelling in Gods word, and obeying His ways, purifies us. And I would agree from the
testimony of my own life.
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Don't be deceived, my dear brothers.
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
James 1:13-17
So hatred is not the sin, the sin is the hurtful, aggressive acts that result from the hatred.
The tree is hatred, the fruit is the sinful acts.
But if one had only the hatred, it would destroy everything else, even though the acts may
not show themselves.
So we have to deal with the source of the sinful acts not just appear righteous.
We will always have human passions, but they are not sinful, it is the inappropriate acts that are.
Legalists will claim it is sinful to even have the passions, which is where they believe original sin
resides and go so far as to say, sex is sinful.
In truth the only way to live righteously, is to have love in ones core, and be driven by love and
need in others and oneself.
Jesus called this cleaning the inside of the bowl, dealing with the source of sinful behaviour, not
just appearing to be righteous, but actually living pure, Holy lives. This is no easy thing and generations
of pious people have sought many ways to express this, often failing to grasp its reality.
The apostles say dwelling in Gods word, and obeying His ways, purifies us. And I would agree from the
testimony of my own life.
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It makes total sense why some people think they are sinless. They have a flawed opinion of what they think is sin. If sin is ONLY an overt act. W4e could actually be sinless. The pharisees were also sinless. Because they did nto do the physical acts of sin.
Of course. God tells us otherwise. He also calls us to repent. Repent means to acknowledge fully what sin is. And admit you have no hope. Because you are a sinner.
Of course. God tells us otherwise. He also calls us to repent. Repent means to acknowledge fully what sin is. And admit you have no hope. Because you are a sinner.
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and sometimes it is just saying, I do not want to do anything today, I know my neighbor needs me, and I should serve him, but I am tired. and just need to serve myself
James 4:17
Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
James 4:17
Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
Ok, I'll go with that thought. So if they were given to expose sin HOW would we know if we are sinning or not ? when we don't keep/observe them, when we transgress them...that is what 1Joh 3v4 is saying.
So the keeping of them shows our love to God and neighbour. We can go round and round with that but in the end they are GOD's commands/law and the breaking/transgressing of them is SIN.
You see it different ?
So the keeping of them shows our love to God and neighbour. We can go round and round with that but in the end they are GOD's commands/law and the breaking/transgressing of them is SIN.
You see it different ?
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You can obey all ten to the letter on any particular day, yet still sin, (and again, the point jesus was making in his sermon on the mount)
The law was given to expose our sin, and do what? Lead us to obedience? or lead us to christ.
why is it important that the law lead us to christ? And how did Jesus say we fulfilled the law and prophets? By the ten commands?
The law was given to expose our sin, and do what? Lead us to obedience? or lead us to christ.
why is it important that the law lead us to christ? And how did Jesus say we fulfilled the law and prophets? By the ten commands?
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A bicycle is made to exercise,
A truck is made to haul heavy loads
if we use the bike to try to haul heavy loads, we will fail, because we are using it against its intended purpose, It is unable to do what we are trying to make it do.
if we use a truck to exercise, it will fail. And our muscles and cardio vascular system will actually weaken, because we are nto using them. because the truck was not made to help us exercise.
the law was made to expose sin and lead people to christ.
if we use it to become morally righteous people. or as a guide to love, it will fail, because it was not made for that purpose. thus it does not have the capability to perform the mission we are trying to use it for (help us love)
A truck is made to haul heavy loads
if we use the bike to try to haul heavy loads, we will fail, because we are using it against its intended purpose, It is unable to do what we are trying to make it do.
if we use a truck to exercise, it will fail. And our muscles and cardio vascular system will actually weaken, because we are nto using them. because the truck was not made to help us exercise.
the law was made to expose sin and lead people to christ.
if we use it to become morally righteous people. or as a guide to love, it will fail, because it was not made for that purpose. thus it does not have the capability to perform the mission we are trying to use it for (help us love)
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People loved in the OT, Daniel loved pagan rulers, David loved his people,,Thats because they understood grace. they why they were seen as righteous people. Yet even daniel considered himself among sinners..
the law condemns us all. thats why we have to look to grace, and love for only through this can we even begin to obey God the way we are supposed to (otherwise it is just us following a list of commands with no love involved)
love fulfills the law. because if you love a person, you would never be tempted to sin against the,.
the law condemns us all. thats why we have to look to grace, and love for only through this can we even begin to obey God the way we are supposed to (otherwise it is just us following a list of commands with no love involved)
love fulfills the law. because if you love a person, you would never be tempted to sin against the,.
Sure the law exposed our sin in that we did not/could not obey God ....UNTIL Christ came !!!
HE is our Savior from sin which was disobedience and transgression of Gods commands. But NOW with the Spirit of Christ we are able 'to be obedient in love' even as HE is obedient and kept the Fathers Commandment.
The OT was focused on obedience first...the NT on Love plus obedience !
HE is our Savior from sin which was disobedience and transgression of Gods commands. But NOW with the Spirit of Christ we are able 'to be obedient in love' even as HE is obedient and kept the Fathers Commandment.
The OT was focused on obedience first...the NT on Love plus obedience !
Of course there were people in the OT who had special insight and understanding but it was not something all had or was offered to all.
We are both in agreement that JESUS is the answer to all our problems but it is not confined to our neighbours only.... we also need Him in our relationship with God our Father whom christians have yet to acknowledge and honour....IF they want to be in His Kingdom.
We are both in agreement that JESUS is the answer to all our problems but it is not confined to our neighbours only.... we also need Him in our relationship with God our Father whom christians have yet to acknowledge and honour....IF they want to be in His Kingdom.
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I disagree, The NT focuses on how God saved us (the gospel) and what we do with this salvation.
the point is, we recieve his love, using this love which overflows as a means to be love others,
focusing on obedience is not good. we need to focus on christ, and use his power to love others. In this and ONLY in this way, will obedience happen
the point is, we recieve his love, using this love which overflows as a means to be love others,
focusing on obedience is not good. we need to focus on christ, and use his power to love others. In this and ONLY in this way, will obedience happen