The "Days" of Creation
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There is a gap to a certain extent but not in the same way it is currently presented. Eden is the whole planet and the Ge:1 creation story covers the whole planet except the area in Ge:2 that is bordered by the river. That area remained a desert as the rest of the planet became full of life. The garden story begins when Adam is alive so it cannot be earlier than when the 6th days of creation starts It also means the Dead Sea was a body of fresh water at one time because it is returned to that condition during the 1,000 year reign as that is when Eze:47 unfolds.
The life that God had Adam name was brought to Adam so they existed in Eden but outside of the garden area. The garden area takes 400,000 years to accomplish what took 4B years to do to the rest of Eden.
When you start to study this version yo start with a ball of molten rock making a full rotation every 12 hours and the moon is so close it caused a tidal bulge and that slight pull allows the magma to sort itself according to their density.
Over the next 3.6B years that day 2 represents the earth cools just enough that you can find water in liquid and vapor form.
Over the next 360M years plants begin to grow and they take advantage of the CO2 that was created as the magma was cooled.
The time in day 4 doesn't apply to this post. Plants continue to fill the planet all the way until the end of the 6th creation day. 400M years so that by the time the 6th day started the air had enough O2 in it than beasts of the field could use it.
The oceans would have has plant material and other items washed into it and that mixture ended up as the oceans were full at the end of day 5. They would have started forming at the start of day 4 so that gives the about 36M years to accomplish that. Water added nothing to the atmosphere other than water vapor and the gases that bubble up from the crust.
Land animals are all from 400,000 years ago or sooner
The life that God had Adam name was brought to Adam so they existed in Eden but outside of the garden area. The garden area takes 400,000 years to accomplish what took 4B years to do to the rest of Eden.
When you start to study this version yo start with a ball of molten rock making a full rotation every 12 hours and the moon is so close it caused a tidal bulge and that slight pull allows the magma to sort itself according to their density.
Over the next 3.6B years that day 2 represents the earth cools just enough that you can find water in liquid and vapor form.
Over the next 360M years plants begin to grow and they take advantage of the CO2 that was created as the magma was cooled.
The time in day 4 doesn't apply to this post. Plants continue to fill the planet all the way until the end of the 6th creation day. 400M years so that by the time the 6th day started the air had enough O2 in it than beasts of the field could use it.
The oceans would have has plant material and other items washed into it and that mixture ended up as the oceans were full at the end of day 5. They would have started forming at the start of day 4 so that gives the about 36M years to accomplish that. Water added nothing to the atmosphere other than water vapor and the gases that bubble up from the crust.
Land animals are all from 400,000 years ago or sooner
Really?
1Co:15:19:
If in this life only we have hope in Christ,
we are of all men most miserable.
1Co:15:32:
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus,
what advantageth it me,
if the dead rise not?
let us eat and drink;
for to morrow we die.
Re:17 includes a vision in symbolic language and an explanation that would be in what kind of language if not literal?? These area bit long so i won't post all the verses.
What doe the verses mean that come after this verse and how does it affect the understand of what the vision is covering?
Re:17:7:
And the angel said unto me,
Wherefore didst thou marvel?
I will tell thee the mystery of the woman,
and of the beast that carrieth her,
which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Same thing is this chapter, there is a vision and there is an explanation. What style of language does the explanation use if not literalism?
Da:7:15:
I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body,
and the visions of my head troubled me.
Da:7:16:
I came near unto one of them that stood by,
and asked him the truth of all this.
So he told me,
and made me know the interpretation of the things.
One final vision and explanation that needs to be defined if it is not literal.
Da:2:30:
But as for me,
this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living,
but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king,
and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.
Da:2:31:
Thou,
O king,
sawest,
and behold a great image.
This great image,
whose brightness was excellent,
stood before thee;
and the form thereof was terrible.
1Co:15:19:
If in this life only we have hope in Christ,
we are of all men most miserable.
1Co:15:32:
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus,
what advantageth it me,
if the dead rise not?
let us eat and drink;
for to morrow we die.
Re:17 includes a vision in symbolic language and an explanation that would be in what kind of language if not literal?? These area bit long so i won't post all the verses.
What doe the verses mean that come after this verse and how does it affect the understand of what the vision is covering?
Re:17:7:
And the angel said unto me,
Wherefore didst thou marvel?
I will tell thee the mystery of the woman,
and of the beast that carrieth her,
which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Same thing is this chapter, there is a vision and there is an explanation. What style of language does the explanation use if not literalism?
Da:7:15:
I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body,
and the visions of my head troubled me.
Da:7:16:
I came near unto one of them that stood by,
and asked him the truth of all this.
So he told me,
and made me know the interpretation of the things.
One final vision and explanation that needs to be defined if it is not literal.
Da:2:30:
But as for me,
this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living,
but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king,
and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.
Da:2:31:
Thou,
O king,
sawest,
and behold a great image.
This great image,
whose brightness was excellent,
stood before thee;
and the form thereof was terrible.
So can you explain what God meant?
26Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
9With the tongue we bless our Lord andFather, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God’s likeness.
New American Standard Bible
With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the likeness of God;
King James Bible
Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
Christian Standard Bible
With the tongue we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in God's likeness.
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, [TABLE]
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26Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
9With the tongue we bless our Lord andFather, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God’s likeness.
New American Standard Bible
With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the likeness of God;
King James Bible
Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
Christian Standard Bible
With the tongue we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in God's likeness.
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, [TABLE]
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It is just the opposite, star stay on the course set for them by God.
1Co:15:40:
There are also celestial bodies,
and bodies terrestrial:
but the glory of the celestial is one,
and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
1Co:15:41:
There is one glory of the sun,
and another glory of the moon,
and another glory of the stars:
for one star differeth from another star in glory.
1Co:15:40:
There are also celestial bodies,
and bodies terrestrial:
but the glory of the celestial is one,
and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
1Co:15:41:
There is one glory of the sun,
and another glory of the moon,
and another glory of the stars:
for one star differeth from another star in glory.
It is more likely that you could teach a fish to climb a tree before you change the minds of anybody here at CC. People are happy believing what they believe. Those who want to believe that the world was created in six days, will not be moved. Others who try to include different rationale into the equation are dismissed as faithless heretics. Everyone here wants to be a teacher and nobody wants to be a student. It’s human nature to think you are correct and everyone who disagrees is wrong. We can all pull scripture to validate our beliefs for the most part. Anything we can’t explain is covered with the blanket that God is too mysterious to be understood. If you think you understand you must be delusional. There is rational explaination for everything but to comprehend it you must be....rational. When looking at something Biblical think to yourself, does this seem probable? Does it add understanding or create more confusion? God brings light and wisdom. Our conclusions should be validated by science, not in contradiction of it. If the only proof you can muster is because it’s written in the Bible, at least have the intellectual fortitude to examine it further to add explanation to conviction.
The Hebrew word "yom" used in Genesis by Moses translate's into english as "day".
According to the Englishman’s Hebrew Concordance. "Yom" is used in the KJ Bible over 500 time's. There are over 58 different ways "yom" has been translated in the KJB
"Yom" can refer to a variety of time periods ranging from “forever” (Ps 23:6), “age” (Gen 18:11), “yrs” (1 Kings 1:1), “always” (Deut 5:29) & “season” (Jos 24:7)
From the context of Gen 1 & 2, there are 3 different ways Moses used this word. The word "yom" refers to day as in “daylight” (12 hours) in Gen 1:5, to 24-hour days in Gen 1:14, & to a long period of time (“in the day” referring to all six of the preceding creation days) in Gen 2:4
In Gen 2:4 does the word "day" (yom) refer to a 24 hr period? Clearly no!
So which definition should we give to the other uses of "yom" in Gen 1 & 2?
1) Gen 1:1-2 The primary definition of Hebrew verb translated “created” (""bara""): “bringing into existence something new, something that did not exist before.”
The proclamation that God created ("bara" something, never before, brand new) the entirety of the heavens is mentioned atleast 7 times in the OT. (Gen 1:1, 2:3, 2:4, Ps 148:5, Isa 40:26, 42:5, 45:18).
2) And the "earth was without form", void, & darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters
No mention here as to how much time takes place before day one. When the 1st creative day started is strictly conjecture. It may have been millions/billions of years after Gen 1:1.
The earth didnt receive it's current system of keeping time, until day 4. The 1st 3 days did not include the known seasons of the sun, moon, & stars. So, the 1st 3 days may well have been much longer periods of time
3dr: God worked (CREATED/BARA) for 6 days & then rested.
In scripyure day 7 does not include a beginning & end like the other days.
Heb 4, Ps 95 & Jn 5 tells us this 7th “day” is still taking place. So, day 7 is clearly longer then 24 hrs
Today's astrologers & scientist measure the universes creation at almost 14 billions ago & earth at 4 1/2 billion years old. This fits with the Bibles creation account.
FIRST CAUSE: INTELLIGENT DESIGN
(Then comes space, science, evolution & time)
Day Six:
In Gen 2 a considerable interval of time must have taken place between the creation of Adam and the creation of Eve.
The LORD God put Adam in the Garden of Eden. Adam's mission is to cultivate and keep the garden. God then gives Adam a major assignment. He was to "classify and name" "every species of animals and birds". The garden must have had hundreds maybe thousands of species of mammal, reptile, insect, and birds.
Gen 2:19-20
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field;
It must have required some years, or, at the very least, a considerable number of months to complete this comprehensive inventoring, interacting and naming of all the birds, beasts, and insects that populated the Garden of Eden.
It is apparent to me that Genesis 1 was never intended to teach six creative 24hr days. It would seem to border on sheer irrationality to insist that all of Adam’s experiences in Genesis 2:15-22 could have been crowded into the last hour or two of a literal twenty-four hour day.
My Opinion Only!
According to the Englishman’s Hebrew Concordance. "Yom" is used in the KJ Bible over 500 time's. There are over 58 different ways "yom" has been translated in the KJB
"Yom" can refer to a variety of time periods ranging from “forever” (Ps 23:6), “age” (Gen 18:11), “yrs” (1 Kings 1:1), “always” (Deut 5:29) & “season” (Jos 24:7)
From the context of Gen 1 & 2, there are 3 different ways Moses used this word. The word "yom" refers to day as in “daylight” (12 hours) in Gen 1:5, to 24-hour days in Gen 1:14, & to a long period of time (“in the day” referring to all six of the preceding creation days) in Gen 2:4
In Gen 2:4 does the word "day" (yom) refer to a 24 hr period? Clearly no!
So which definition should we give to the other uses of "yom" in Gen 1 & 2?
1) Gen 1:1-2 The primary definition of Hebrew verb translated “created” (""bara""): “bringing into existence something new, something that did not exist before.”
The proclamation that God created ("bara" something, never before, brand new) the entirety of the heavens is mentioned atleast 7 times in the OT. (Gen 1:1, 2:3, 2:4, Ps 148:5, Isa 40:26, 42:5, 45:18).
2) And the "earth was without form", void, & darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters
No mention here as to how much time takes place before day one. When the 1st creative day started is strictly conjecture. It may have been millions/billions of years after Gen 1:1.
The earth didnt receive it's current system of keeping time, until day 4. The 1st 3 days did not include the known seasons of the sun, moon, & stars. So, the 1st 3 days may well have been much longer periods of time
3dr: God worked (CREATED/BARA) for 6 days & then rested.
In scripyure day 7 does not include a beginning & end like the other days.
Heb 4, Ps 95 & Jn 5 tells us this 7th “day” is still taking place. So, day 7 is clearly longer then 24 hrs
Today's astrologers & scientist measure the universes creation at almost 14 billions ago & earth at 4 1/2 billion years old. This fits with the Bibles creation account.
FIRST CAUSE: INTELLIGENT DESIGN
(Then comes space, science, evolution & time)
Day Six:
In Gen 2 a considerable interval of time must have taken place between the creation of Adam and the creation of Eve.
The LORD God put Adam in the Garden of Eden. Adam's mission is to cultivate and keep the garden. God then gives Adam a major assignment. He was to "classify and name" "every species of animals and birds". The garden must have had hundreds maybe thousands of species of mammal, reptile, insect, and birds.
Gen 2:19-20
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field;
It must have required some years, or, at the very least, a considerable number of months to complete this comprehensive inventoring, interacting and naming of all the birds, beasts, and insects that populated the Garden of Eden.
It is apparent to me that Genesis 1 was never intended to teach six creative 24hr days. It would seem to border on sheer irrationality to insist that all of Adam’s experiences in Genesis 2:15-22 could have been crowded into the last hour or two of a literal twenty-four hour day.
My Opinion Only!
Most of it appears chronologically historical. By allegorical I mean the story being a fictional account to express a true event. I don’t believe in evolution in the least but it doesn’t seem probable that the Earth has only been inhabited for 9000 years. I have no problem believing that Earth was populated previously. It does seem both logical and provable that devastation occurs regularly. I think the Israelites had enough going on in the desert and establishing that Yahweh was responsible for Creation was easier to convey in a simple story, rather than a scientific seminar. I don’t need to give the play by play that after several hours of digestion, protein breaks down into amino acids. Then while you sleep growth hormones distribute them to tiny muscle tears to rejuvenate and build muscle. I just say, “Eat your meat if you want to be strong.”
Mankind was exiled from the garden in 4,000BC. Prior to that they were never in any part of the globe. The ones that were there and built all the megaliths around are the same angels that ended up falling into sin. They have not been around since the flood. The prophecy by Enoch was fulfilled when Moses mentioned it.
Jude:1:14:
And Enoch also,
the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these,
saying,
Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
That would have been when the megalith were destroyed so they would be no use to Adam and Eve's children as they covered the globe. 4 fallen angels can manifest into an army of 200M horsemen as part of the 6th trump. That would be 50M horsemen that do not sleep, eat, drink or even take bathroom breaks. They have been learning things since the universe was created more than 13B years ago. They ascend to their new heaven before the judgment of man is over and that means the universe is a land without a people when the new earth verses start. The ones that expand into that area should find all sorts of abandoned places, as intended.
Jude:1:14:
And Enoch also,
the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these,
saying,
Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
That would have been when the megalith were destroyed so they would be no use to Adam and Eve's children as they covered the globe. 4 fallen angels can manifest into an army of 200M horsemen as part of the 6th trump. That would be 50M horsemen that do not sleep, eat, drink or even take bathroom breaks. They have been learning things since the universe was created more than 13B years ago. They ascend to their new heaven before the judgment of man is over and that means the universe is a land without a people when the new earth verses start. The ones that expand into that area should find all sorts of abandoned places, as intended.
It is impossible that the first three chapters of Genesis could be fictional and yet Adam is held responsible for the human race becoming subject to sin and death. As to the earth being inhabited before Adam, that too is an impossibility since the Ten Commandments unequivocally confirm that the entire universe was created in those six days of Creation, and Creation Week is a pattern for man's work week.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exod 20:8-11)
Please note this unequivocal statement: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is. This corresponds to Genesis 1:31-2:4.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens... (Gen 1:31-2:4).
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exod 20:8-11)
Please note this unequivocal statement: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is. This corresponds to Genesis 1:31-2:4.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens... (Gen 1:31-2:4).