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Untrue. I've walked away three times. And I was still a Christian.
Came back for obvious reasons. God doesn't really let his people walk away for good. As hard as I tried, (and I really am bullheaded, so gave full effort in trying), I could not deny God is. And that God deserves to be glorified. So, I walked, but he Prodigal Fathered my return. And I Prodigal Sonned while I was gone.
Came back for obvious reasons. God doesn't really let his people walk away for good. As hard as I tried, (and I really am bullheaded, so gave full effort in trying), I could not deny God is. And that God deserves to be glorified. So, I walked, but he Prodigal Fathered my return. And I Prodigal Sonned while I was gone.
James 1:13-17
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
KJV
I believe that God created mankind because He wanted a creature who was able to receive and return His love.
The price God paid for a creature with the capacity to love is that He got a creature with the capacity to reject love and to sin.
Love is inherently volitional; it can not be programmed.
God rarely intervenes to prevent sin. He prefers to give believers strength and grace to endure hardships resulting from sin and turns the consequences of sin to the advantage of the believer who has to endure them.
The price God paid for a creature with the capacity to love is that He got a creature with the capacity to reject love and to sin.
Love is inherently volitional; it can not be programmed.
God rarely intervenes to prevent sin. He prefers to give believers strength and grace to endure hardships resulting from sin and turns the consequences of sin to the advantage of the believer who has to endure them.
K
Hummm,let me take a crack at it...
1. Christians- I hear this one often. A couple points here,Christians are forgiven,not perfect. Everyone in a church is growing,all at different levels. But whether a Christian follows Christ is between them and God,and you will answer if YOU don't follow Him. You won't be able to say "brother so and so wasn't a good example,so I gave up on God". Last point, Christianity is about following Christ,not other Christians.He is the only one that has ever been perfect. If you take your eyes off your example,you're wrong. The priest,preacher,Sunday school teacher,deacon are not your example,your job is to follow Him!
2. Most,if not all "inconsistencies" have been answered. There are books and books on the subject yet the same five points keep being passed around by atheists. God's intelligence is probably slightly higher than ours,I don't believe we can know every mystery in the Bible,but inconsistencies have been answered,its just that unbelievers do not want to accept the answer.
3. Some Christians believe in a literal hell,others do not. I personally do,but you'd have to expound on what hell theology means to you and why that is an issue.
4. The answer to lack of miracles is the same reason as it was in Jesus day. It was said He could do no good works because the people would not believe. You want to hear about miracles,find a missionary.I know many and grew up with a missionary family in my church. They could tell you stories that would curl your hair about both miracles and demonic activity they have to face.
5. You'd have to expand on what you mean by God's character.
I've read the first page here so maybe you've already explained further what you mean. I'll read on and see what you have to say.
It is the biggest false doctrine floating around so why not mention it? My mental facilities are working quite fine, it is the on3es that are splitting 7 years off the 70 weeks that are the ones that are insane. The 'little horn' verse are about Rome's 500 year rule over Jerusalem. In there you will fine the cross and the destruction of the temple and a few other goodies.
When John was called that is the day the 70th week started, 3 1/2 years later the cross happened and 3 1/2 years after that peter started teaching the Gentiles that Jesus sent to him. That means Jesus was talking to those Gentiles like God talked to Jesus in the time before the cross. You get that part I hope.
I'm quite fine with God being a loving character that loves all He created, after all Jesus is the splitting image of Him and you love Jesus right?? Nothing before it's time and all that. Look how He treats the ones who are in the biggest danger of ending up in the fiery lake.
Re:7:9-17:
After this I beheld,
and,
lo,
a great multitude,
which no man could number,
of all nations,
and kindreds,
and people,
and tongues,
stood before the throne,
and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes,
and palms in their hands;
And cried with a loud voice,
saying,
Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne,
and unto the Lamb.
And all the angels stood round about the throne,
and about the elders and the four beasts,
and fell before the throne on their faces,
and worshipped God,
Saying,
Amen:
Blessing,
and glory,
and wisdom,
and thanksgiving,
and honour,
and power,
and might,
be unto our God for ever and ever.
Amen.
And one of the elders answered,
saying unto me,
What are these which are arrayed in white robes?
and whence came they?
And I said unto him,
Sir,
thou knowest.
And he said to me,
These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God,
and serve him day and night in his temple:
and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more,
neither thirst any more;
neither shall the sun light on them,
nor any heat.
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them,
and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters:
and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Zec:1:14:
So the angel that communed with me said unto me,
Cry thou,
saying,
Thus saith the LORD of hosts;
I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy.
Isa:65:16-19:
That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth;
and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth;
because the former troubles are forgotten,
and because they are hid from mine eyes.
For,
behold,
I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered,
nor come into mind.
But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create:
for,
behold,
I create Jerusalem a rejoicing,
and her people a joy.
And I will rejoice in Jerusalem,
and joy in my people:
and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her,
nor the voice of crying.
When John was called that is the day the 70th week started, 3 1/2 years later the cross happened and 3 1/2 years after that peter started teaching the Gentiles that Jesus sent to him. That means Jesus was talking to those Gentiles like God talked to Jesus in the time before the cross. You get that part I hope.
I'm quite fine with God being a loving character that loves all He created, after all Jesus is the splitting image of Him and you love Jesus right?? Nothing before it's time and all that. Look how He treats the ones who are in the biggest danger of ending up in the fiery lake.
Re:7:9-17:
After this I beheld,
and,
lo,
a great multitude,
which no man could number,
of all nations,
and kindreds,
and people,
and tongues,
stood before the throne,
and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes,
and palms in their hands;
And cried with a loud voice,
saying,
Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne,
and unto the Lamb.
And all the angels stood round about the throne,
and about the elders and the four beasts,
and fell before the throne on their faces,
and worshipped God,
Saying,
Amen:
Blessing,
and glory,
and wisdom,
and thanksgiving,
and honour,
and power,
and might,
be unto our God for ever and ever.
Amen.
And one of the elders answered,
saying unto me,
What are these which are arrayed in white robes?
and whence came they?
And I said unto him,
Sir,
thou knowest.
And he said to me,
These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God,
and serve him day and night in his temple:
and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more,
neither thirst any more;
neither shall the sun light on them,
nor any heat.
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them,
and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters:
and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Zec:1:14:
So the angel that communed with me said unto me,
Cry thou,
saying,
Thus saith the LORD of hosts;
I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy.
Isa:65:16-19:
That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth;
and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth;
because the former troubles are forgotten,
and because they are hid from mine eyes.
For,
behold,
I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered,
nor come into mind.
But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create:
for,
behold,
I create Jerusalem a rejoicing,
and her people a joy.
And I will rejoice in Jerusalem,
and joy in my people:
and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her,
nor the voice of crying.
K
Just because you haven't seen a miracle doesn't mean it doesn't exist. As the blind man said "this much I know,once I was lost but now I see" when he was questioned about miracles. Documented? Probably not since we are a society of science,miracles simply don't happen. If it can't be explained we know it couldn't be a miracle. So if you refuse to believe a miracle could happen how can it be proven?
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Just so you know, all!
(Before hubby was born-again, he was That Guy. You know the type. The ones who taunted Christians about "inconsistencies." And he collected them all, just in case. And then he met That Gal! You know the type. The middle-aged woman who knows here Bible so well, she can sweep right to any given verse and show you the all-of-it. Three weeks of running down his list 3-4 hours per night with her, and he went to bed one night a very angry non-believer, and woke up born again.)
(Before hubby was born-again, he was That Guy. You know the type. The ones who taunted Christians about "inconsistencies." And he collected them all, just in case. And then he met That Gal! You know the type. The middle-aged woman who knows here Bible so well, she can sweep right to any given verse and show you the all-of-it. Three weeks of running down his list 3-4 hours per night with her, and he went to bed one night a very angry non-believer, and woke up born again.)
Ok here is my 2 cents .
#1 Jesus Christ was the only perfect man. All Christians are to aspire to that perfection but in this life we all will fall short our works are not what saves us . It is faith that saves . That and they should spend more time looking at them selves than others . A better understanding of scripture is what is needed.
#2 Again a better understanding of scripture is needed . Definitely studying the Bible with mature ,firmly rooted brother or sister in Christ will help . Lone wolf types are at a disadvantage.
#3 Things they don’t like are sometimes true . Still a better understanding of scripture is needed ,along with a sense of maturity that is willing to set aside touchy-feely theology. See #2’ answer .
#4 see #2’s answer .
#5 Just because God’s will may seem unfair or hurts someone’s feelings dose not mean they are incorrect. They need to grow up . They are not always going to get their way . See #3’s answer .
Too me it comes down to the lack of understanding scripture. With a large dose of touchy-feely immaturity .
They are to conform to God’s will as expressed in scripture,and not some me or self centered beliefs.
Blessings
Bill
#1 Jesus Christ was the only perfect man. All Christians are to aspire to that perfection but in this life we all will fall short our works are not what saves us . It is faith that saves . That and they should spend more time looking at them selves than others . A better understanding of scripture is what is needed.
#2 Again a better understanding of scripture is needed . Definitely studying the Bible with mature ,firmly rooted brother or sister in Christ will help . Lone wolf types are at a disadvantage.
#3 Things they don’t like are sometimes true . Still a better understanding of scripture is needed ,along with a sense of maturity that is willing to set aside touchy-feely theology. See #2’ answer .
#4 see #2’s answer .
#5 Just because God’s will may seem unfair or hurts someone’s feelings dose not mean they are incorrect. They need to grow up . They are not always going to get their way . See #3’s answer .
Too me it comes down to the lack of understanding scripture. With a large dose of touchy-feely immaturity .
They are to conform to God’s will as expressed in scripture,and not some me or self centered beliefs.
Blessings
Bill
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"None of these things move me, neither do I count my life dear to myself that I might finish my course with Joy."
Those reasons could apply to the son of perdition, a French word that means losted, but lusted would be a better translation.
(There are a few words that were not translated properly to avoid arguments, likely the case here, another is Baptise: a Greek word that means immersed, left in Greek not to cause arguments with the church at the time: "believe and be immersed in the name (identity of the fullness of the Godhead bodily): Jesus," was not practiced.
Back to the son of lust: he would not give up his own life,
was inconsistent (double minded),
would not consider the consequences of being nothing: "Without love I am nothing."
(The miracles may have made the difference for us who believe, and God's character: that His mercy endures for ever)
but for the sun of lust its contrary to him to believe in the grace of God:
God would have to be a reflection of his powerless character, since he took after the enemy who wanted to be God.
Those reasons could apply to the son of perdition, a French word that means losted, but lusted would be a better translation.
(There are a few words that were not translated properly to avoid arguments, likely the case here, another is Baptise: a Greek word that means immersed, left in Greek not to cause arguments with the church at the time: "believe and be immersed in the name (identity of the fullness of the Godhead bodily): Jesus," was not practiced.
Back to the son of lust: he would not give up his own life,
was inconsistent (double minded),
would not consider the consequences of being nothing: "Without love I am nothing."
(The miracles may have made the difference for us who believe, and God's character: that His mercy endures for ever)
but for the sun of lust its contrary to him to believe in the grace of God:
God would have to be a reflection of his powerless character, since he took after the enemy who wanted to be God.
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I don't preach as I'm not in the conversion business. The business I am involved is showing that you can believe in a literal god and not be an idiot like most wannabe Christian arewho swallow what other feet them without question.
1Th:5:21:
Prove all things;
hold fast that which is good.
What are you doing here that a few referenced from God's book has you calling me a heretic. The ones afraid of the verses usually turn out to be trolls or false christian or both.
By 'end times' do you mean like this reference??
De:4:30:
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
De:4:31:
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
1Th:5:21:
Prove all things;
hold fast that which is good.
What are you doing here that a few referenced from God's book has you calling me a heretic. The ones afraid of the verses usually turn out to be trolls or false christian or both.
By 'end times' do you mean like this reference??
De:4:30:
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
De:4:31:
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.