the passover, and Jesus

followjesus · Feb 17, 2018

What is the passover ? ...the first passover

exodus 12 " Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house: 4And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb. 5Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

6And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. 7And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

8And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. ...v 11And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover.

12For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD. 13And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt."

(instructions for feast of unleavened bread)

".....v 21 Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover. ....v23For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you. 24And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever. 25And it shall come to pass, when ye be come to the land which the LORD will give you, according as he hath promised, that ye shall keep this service.

26And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service? 27That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD'S passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped."

"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. 30And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead.

31And he called for Moses and Aaron by night, and said, Rise up, and get you forth from among my people, both ye and the children of Israel; and go, serve the LORD, as ye have said. 32Also take your flocks and your herds, as ye have said, and be gone; and bless me also."

so the passover is instituted as a lasting ordinance for the Israelites to be done in remembrance of this deliverance when God passed over them because of Lambs Blood when He sent the destroyer into the land of egypt delivering them.

when You then Look at Jesus you see the passover in its true scale. God sends the blood of the Lamb, to cover us from Death, and By this deliver us and Lead us from slavery to sin and captivity to death, and teach us the ways in the desert, so we Know How to Live in the promised Land awaiting us. all of the true things finally revealed in Christ.

Jesus , fulfills the prophetic aspect of the passover, what some refer to as patterns or shadows" they are things said, and things done, in ancient times, that are prophetic looking back from Christ, until He came, they would not have made sense. the passover makes sense of the shedding of Jesus blood, the passing over of death because of His blood. then when the law comes Later at horeb , the sacrificial system for forgiveness of sin, completes the pattern for Jesus blood. those things were foretelling of Jesus sacrifice and tells us How those things apply to us.

for instance " what does the blood Mean for us"....we look to what it meant to them, protection from Death according to passover, and forgiveness of sin according to law. two things that are Linked as One. sin = death, so sin must be forgiven in order for death to passover a person, this happens by the blood or rather the sacrifice of Jesus. the Bloods power is in His willing sacrifice, His Life is in His Blood. he shed His Life for us.

so then in the Gospel John says " Look the Lamb of God who taketh away the sin of the world" this means if the sin is taken, the death will passover by the blood. and come passover the congregation of Israel gathers to plot and Kill jesus the passover Lamb as moses commanded them. Jesus has the passover with His disciples, and institutes the Lords supper, what we observe as communion Now in the church in remembrance of Jesus sacrifice that delivered us from sin and death.

Like the passover Lamb, Jesus tells us to eat His flesh, to feed on Him. and He tells them " this is my body that is Given for you and breaks the bread......then He says of the drink in the cup, " this is my blood of the new covenant and teaches them to drink and eat in this manner at the passover, in remembrance of Him."

then of course the congregation both Jesus and Gentile gather and slaughter the Lamb and shed His blood, and His blood becomes the very thing that causes death to passover sinners who will believe the very One they slaughter forgives them by the blood they shed. Just Like the Old time, they believed what God said of the Blood, so they did what He said to do, and they were saved and delivered while thier captors fell in One night by Gods Word. Jesus is the fulfillment of the former things they havent disappeared but Now we see them in truth in Christ. do you believe what God has said about the Blood of the Lamb ?

Jesus is the fulfillment of the passover, He is the truth of it, the former is Like seeing Gods word through a dark Veil you see silhoettes and shapes, some colors and a pattern , but when Jesus came in the gospel, you then see the truth of what the passover really was speaking forward about even to the Israelites then, Jesus was Hidden yet, until the apponted time, But He was Preached in the dark even then being Hidden.

when they sacrificed an animal and shed its blood as an offering, it was based on what God would reveal Later they were forgiven even then through the blood of Jesus Only having a rough draft of truth, because of thier hardened Hearts and blinded eyes and deafened ears. when they killed the lamb at passover, it was already based on the power in Jesus blood to cause death to pass us over...... Because we Know He was sacrificed from the foundation of the World.

God bless you, Look at scripture through the Words of Jesus Christ

Shamah · Feb 17, 2018

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]We should diligently search the written word rather than blindly follow traditional understanding.

1. the word "day" is supplied, and is not in the Greek text.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2. The Greek word "protos" is used as first as in before and as first[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 26:17 New International Version[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]On the first* day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*first” is word #G4413 - prótos: first, chief, Original Word: πρῶτος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: prótos, Phonetic Spelling: (pro'-tos), Short Definition: first, before, Definition: first, before, principal, most important.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]So it should read:[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 26:17, “And on the before Unleavened Bread the taught ones came to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], saying to Him, “Where do You wish us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 1:15 Adj-NMS[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]GRK: γέγονεν ὅτι πρῶτός μου ἦν[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]NAS: than I, for He existed before me.'[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]KJV: for he was before me.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]INT: has for before me he was[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 1:30 Adj-NMS[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]GRK: γέγονεν ὅτι πρῶτός μου ἦν[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]NAS: than I, for He existed before me.'[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]KJV: for he was before me.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]INT: has because before me he was[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter 2:20 Adj-GNP[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]GRK: χείρονα τῶν πρώτων[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]NAS: worse for them than the first.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]KJV: is worse with them than the beginning.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]INT: worse than the first[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Passover was not until the following day, this is fact;[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 13:1, “And before the Festival of the Passover, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]knowing that His hour had come that He should move out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end.” TS 2009[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 13:1, “Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour had come to depart out of this world to the Father, having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end.” ESV[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]How had the Passover already passed when it was the preparation for the Passover when He was being Sacrificed?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 19:14-18, “And it was the Preparation Day of the Pĕsaḥ week, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Yehuḏim, “See your Sovereign! But they shouted, “Away, away, impale Him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I impale your Sovereign?” The chief priests answered, “We have no sovereign except Caesar! At that time, then, he delivered Him to them to be impaled. And they took [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and led Him away. And bearing His stake[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], He went out to the so-called Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha, where they impaled Him, and two others with Him, one on this side and one on that side, and [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]in the middle.” TS 2009[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 19:14-18, “Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover. It was about the sixth hour. He said to the Jews, “Behold your King! They cried out, “Away with him, away with him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar. So he delivered him over to them to be crucified. So they took Jesus, and he went out, bearing his own cross, to the place called The Place of a Skull, which in Aramaic is called Golgotha. There they crucified him, and with him two others, one on either side, and Jesus between them.” ESV[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This is why some intellectual types think the Bible is not trustworthy, not because it contradicts but because faulty translation it seems to contradict. If you think that the common translation is correct you have a bigger problem in there would be a glaring contradiction, unless one properly translates “protos” as "before" rather than "first" and then adding the word "day" to the text to complete the error, when the word “day” is not in the Konie Greek manuscripts. All the Scriptures have to be taken into consideration and the Konie Greek original as opposed to traditional translation. In the traditional translation there would be 2 Passovers, if “protos” is translated properly and the word day is not added to the text, there is 1 Passover.[/FONT]

Shamah · Feb 17, 2018

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 1:5, "And from Yahshua Messiah, the faithful witness, and the firstborn from the dead, and the Ruler of future kings of the earth. To Him Who loved us and freed us from our sins by His own blood."[/FONT]

Shamah · Feb 17, 2018

There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already - Work as the Suffering Lamb “It is done!”
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice (Passover), burial, resurrection and presenting Himself to YHWH (First Fruits)

2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice

3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever

4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints

5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years

6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness

7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future – Work as the Conquering Lion “It is done!”
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

Isaiah 55:11, “so is My Word that goes forth from My mouth – it does not return to Me empty, but shall do what I please, and shall certainly accomplish what I sent it for.”

prove-all · Feb 17, 2018

Shamah said:

The Jews where keeping the Passover on the evening[start] of the 15th of Nisan.
But is this the correct day to observe the Passover?

The three Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke show that on the night Jesus
Christ was betrayed, He and His disciples prepared and kept the Passover
(Matthew 26:18,Mark 14:12, 16; Luke 22:15)

The Jews, however, kept it 24 hours later (John 18:28).

Who kept the right day? could Jesus Christ have kept the Passover on the wrong day?
Jesus Christ indeed kept the right day and that it is the Jews who today keep Passover
on the wrong day.

Lets see what happened in the past- Back to the Beginning
The first passover was God sheading blood for Adams and Eves sins
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Leviticus 23: “These are the feasts of the Lord, even holy convocations,
which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord’s passover” (verses 4-5).
Notice first that this is God’s Passover—not the Jews’—and the day it is to be kept
is the 14th, not the 15th.

the days are to begin and end at even, or sunset (see Lev 23:32; Deut 16:6; Psalm 104:19).

the Passover begins at sunset, at the beginning of the 14th.
The Jewish community observes their Passover on the 15th.

Leviticus 23:6 tells us that the first day of Unleavened Bread is on the 15th.
the Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread are different and separate festivals.

Before covering the events of the Passover in the New Testament,
let’s first review the events as they occurred in the Old Testament.

-Between the Two Evenings

First of all, the Passover lamb was to be sacrificed “in the evening” (Exodus 12:6)
on the start of 14th day of the first month. “In the evening” is between sunset and dark.

Deuteronomy 16:6 confirms this when it says the lamb was sacrificed “at even,
at the going down of the sun.” “the time between sunset and deep twilight.”

Exodus 12:8 says the Israelites were to eat the Passover meal “in that night.” Which night?
The one mentioned in verse 6: the 14th. After that, God smote the firstborn “this night”
(verse 12). Not the next night—this night—the 14th!

That is why, in Numbers 28:16, it says, “And in the fourteenth day of the first month is
[the passover of the Lord]” (we see also Leviticus 23:5-6).

5In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is [the Lord's passover].
6And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread
unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

Exodus 12:21-22 the Israelites were not to leave their houses until morning.
If they did, they would have died. This is why they were to burn their leftovers
the next morning (verse 10).the morning after the Passover is still the 14th
—the day portion of the 14th.

(verse 11)
11And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet,
and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is [the Lord's passover].

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Deuteronomy 16:1 says they left Egypt “by night.” Their exodus from Egypt
then had to be that following night, or the night[start] of the 15th.

This was to be a “night to be much observed” (Exodus 12:42).
This is confirmed in Numbers 33:3: “And they departed … on the fifteenth day
of the first month; on the morrow AFTER the passover .…”

the spoiling of the Egyptians (Exodus 12:33-36). This could have only taken place on the
afternoon of the 14th, just hours before [the Israelites left Egypt the night of the 15th].

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How did the Passover get its name originally? “For the Lord will pass through to smite
the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts,

the Lord will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your
houses to smite you. … That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the Lord’s passover, who
passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians,
and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped” (Ex 12:23, 27

God passed over the houses that had the blood of the lamb on their doorpost.
God also passes over (forgives) our sins when we repent of them and come
under the shed blood of Jesus Christ our Passover, sacrificed for us.

Kept on the 14th Many Generations Later

When the Hebrew children would ask about this service years later, the parents were to
respond, “It is the sacrifice of the Lord’s Passover” (Exodus 12:27). this is God’s Passover,
and God said “the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord’s passover” (Lev 23:5).

Many generations later, the Israelites were still keeping the Passover on the 14th.

They kept the Passover on the correct day when they were in the wilderness (Numbers 9:5).
When they entered into the Promised Land, they were still all in agreement (Joshua 5:10).
King Josiah kept the Passover on the 14th (2 Chronicles 35:1). We also read in Ezra’s time
they were still keeping it on the 14th (Ezra 6:19), and this was about 519 b.c.

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But the New Testament Jews Keep it a Day Later
the Jews were not all keeping the same day as Jesus Christ did and commanded.

“And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem” (John 2:13).
Here it is called “the Jews’ Passover”—not “the Lord’s Passover.”

The Jewish confusion most likely arose in the third century before Christ.
The Palestinian Jews were under Egyptian control from 301 to 198 b.c.

“While the Egyptians allowed the Jews to retain their ancient calendar, there was a
change made in the beginning of the day—it became common to begin the day at sunrise.
This custom was adopted, and persisted among the Jews even down to New Testament times

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Christ Instructed Keeping Passover on 14th

Christ was killed in the afternoon[daytime] of the 14th. But Christ keep the Passover
the night portion of the 14th—that is, the night before the day Christ was crucified.

Insisting that because John mentions the Passover as occurring on the evening after
Christ’s sacrifice, that the Passover Christ kept the previous evening was just a Last Supper
or some kind of “love feast.” But Christ makes it very clear in Matthew, Mark and Luke
that the disciples were to prepare the Passover.

“Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed
to be crucified” (Matthew 26:2). Clarke’s Commentary states regarding this verse:

“This feast began on the fourteenth day of the first moon, in the first month, Nisan, and it
lasted only one day; but it was immediately followed by the days of unleavened bread, which
were seven, so that the whole lasted eight days, and all the eight days are sometimes called
the feast of the passover, and sometimes the feast or days of unleavened bread.”

these days were generally called the Passover or the feast of Unleavened Bread, meaning the
whole eight days, including the Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread. Matthew says,
“after two days is the feast of the passover.” In Mark 14:1 it says, “After two days was the
feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread.” And in Luke 22:1 it says, “Now the feast of
unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.”

All three use slightly different terminologies, but the meaning is the same.

The same is true for John 19:14. On the day Christ was crucified, John wrote that the
“preparation of the passover” was at hand. It is true that this was just before Christ died
on the afternoon of the 14th; but in verse 31, John makes it clear what this preparation was for.

“The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon
the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their
legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.”

At sunset, after Christ died, the “high day,” or holy day (the first day of Unleavened Bread),
began. The Jews were preparing for their passover, not “the Lord’s” (Leviticus 23:5).

Matthew 26:17-18 read: “Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples
came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is
at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.”

Matthew 26:17-18
The Greek word for “passover” in these two verses is pascha. Strong’s Concordance
defines this word as, “the Passover, the meal, the festival.” Any lexicon verifies this definition.

Verse 19 continues, “And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready
the passover.” They made ready the Passover—same Greek word. If this event was only
referring to a final meal or last supper, certainly the word pascha would not have been inspired.

Notice Mark’s account: “And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house,
The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?”
(Mark 14:14). Same Greek word—pascha. This same word is also used in Luke 22: 15
“And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer”

Let’s again notice Matthew 26:18: “And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him,
The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.”

Those who advocate a 15th-of-Nisan Passover and say this was just some kind of final dinner
are actually saying Jesus Christ did not know what He was talking about! Jesus said,
“I will keep the Passover … with my disciples.”

This makes it plain that when Jesus gathered with His disciples the night He was betrayed
by Judas, it was indeed the Passover!

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The next morning, after the betrayal, the Jews brought Jesus before the Sanhedrin. (John 18:28)
“Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves
went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover”

This was before [the Jews’ passover]. The holy day was to start at sunset of that evening. Remember,
the Jews did not want to kill Him on a feast day for fear of what the people might do (Matthew 26:5).

They also wanted to be sure that the bodies did not remain on the stake during the holy day (John 19:31).
Then around 3 o’clock in the afternoon on the 14th, Christ died (Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34).
The Passover meal and sacrifice all occurred on the 14th of Nisan.

we read that the Jews’ Passover was at hand, that is exactly what it was—the Jews’ Passover!

prove-all · Feb 17, 2018

The New Testament Church
Had Jesus Christ kept the Passover on the wrong day, how could He still be our Savior?
Could He be a Lamb without blemish? Years after He died, this same

Christ instructed the Apostle Paul about the symbols that had been changed on that last Passover
before His crucifixion (Matthew 26:26-30; Luke 22:15-20). Paul explained to the Corinthians that
Christ was our Passover. Notice 1 Corinthians 5:7: “Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may
be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us.”

Paul further explains the Passover in 1 Corinthians 11:23. “For I have received of the Lord that which
also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread.”

Paul and God’s people at that time were to eat the bread and drink the wine. When? On “the same
night in which he Christ was [betrayed]” (verse 23): the beginning part, the evening of the 14th.

Again, the time setting is the evening of the 14th—the night Jesus was betrayed by Judas.
Paul goes on to explain the changed symbols. “And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said,
Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same
manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood:
this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me” (verses 24-25).

There can be no doubt that what Paul is talking about is the Passover Christ kept with His disciples.
Paul instructed God’s Church to keep the Passover at the same time and the same way that Christ
kept it. It was to be kept in remembrance of Christ.

Now notice the next verse which makes it very plain. “For as often as ye eat this bread,
and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come” (verse 26).

Some assume that, since Christ was crucified on the afternoon of the 14th, the lamb must have been
slain in the afternoon of the 14th in the Old Testament and that the Passover meal must have been
that night on the 15th.

The night Christ was betrayed, which He plainly called the Passover, they ate the bread and drank
the wine for what? To “show the Lord’s death till he come”! Paul’s group followed that example
precisely. In the New Testament, Christ changed the symbols, not the day.

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The Church After the Apostles

But what about after the time of Christ and the New Testament apostles?

Is there any proof that the Church after the apostles kept the Passover on the 14th?
On page 141 of Eusebius Ecclestical History, it mentions that Polycarp went to Rome to discuss
with Anicetus, the head of the Roman church, a topic concerning the day of the Passover.

Polycarp had been instructed by the apostles and had been appointed head of the Church at Smyrna
by the apostles. Eusebius writes that “he [Polycarp] always taught what he had learned from the
apostles,what the Church handed down and what is the only true doctrine.” He mentions there was
considerable discussion about the difference of opinion concerning the Passover:

“The churches of all Asia guided by a remoter tradition supposed that they ought to keep the 14th day
of the moon for the festival of the Savior’s Passover.” This was around a.d. 154, when Polycrates,
who followed Polycarp, stated, “We observe the exact day: neither adding, nor taking away.”

Notice they kept the 14th day for the Passover. So here is historical evidence that the apostles and
the New Testament Church kept the Passover on the 14th, also indicating there was still controversy
on which day to observe it, the 14th or the 15th.

Remember, the Jews kept it a day later than Christ, and later Jewish converts could have brought
this controversy into the New Testament Church when they were converted to Christianity.

Many have heard of what is called the “quartodeciman controversy.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartodecimanism

In the early New Testament Church, after Christ died, there arose this quartodeciman controversy.
The Christians who were keeping the 14th Passover were called into question about their beliefs.

It appears that the Jews began to make division concerning the 14th or the 15th Passover observance.
There is evidence that this movement began right after the fall of Jerusalem, and the Jews could no
longer offer a temple sacrificial lamb on the evening before the 15th because the temple had been
destroyed. The Jewish passover at that point became exclusively a 15th of Nisan Passover.
It is still that way today. the Passover Christ kept with His disciples was the 14th.

Notice again in 1 Corinthians 11:23: “For I have received of the Lord that which also I
delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread.”
This is the day the Apostle Paul taught Christians to observe the Passover.

the night Jesus Christ observed His last Passover was on the 14th! the traditional Jewish Passover
(15th observance), is traditions of men, which are contrary to the truth of God.

The Apostle Paul in Galatians 2 soundly and publicly rebuked Peter and the other Jews for making
the Gentiles Judaize by following the tradition of the Jews in place of the teachings of God.

Jesus, without reservation, totally rejected the Jews’ religious traditions, because in holding
to their traditions, they rejected and set aside the commandments of God. (Mark 7:7-9).

The Passover only pictures the death of Christ for the remission of sins that are past (Romans 3:25).
The seven days of Unleavened Bread following Passover picture to us the complete putting away of sin
To what extent shall we put away sin? Not partially, but completely! And, as leaven is also a type of
sin (1 Corinthians 5:8)—leaven puffs up, and so does sin, and seven is God’s number symbolizing completeness

Deade · Feb 17, 2018

Shama, followjesus and prove-all: You fellows are really wordy. How do you expect any of these shallow people to follow you, when you keep proving the same issues over and over. Put it in a nutshell: then if they want to follow, list all the proof.

The Passover and Jesus: Nutshell version

You argue the resurrection was on a Sunday, but it was actually on a Saturday evening. Christ was buried just before sundown: and 3 days/3 nights add up to a sundown resurrection. Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday. The Romans said it was Friday because of the sundown Sabbath was approaching. But it says in John 19:14 it was the preparation day (crucifixion day) which is the day before the annual Sabbath of the First Day of Unleavened Bread. Ask any Jew what the preparation day is. Three days and three nights raises Him on Saturday evening. He had already risen by early Sunday John 20:1: "The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre."

Jesus was talking with Mary saying he had not ascended to His Father yet: John 20:16-18: “Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.”

Jesus Appears to the Disciples

John 20:19: “Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.”

Later that same day He appeared to His disciples and they could touch Him. So we can say for sure the ascension was on Sunday. We are given a picture of His ascension as the wave sheath day, when the first fruits were waved before God as a tribute. This was always done on the first Sunday after Passover. [look up wave sheath day for yourself] This still does not make Sunday the Sabbath.

prove-all · Feb 17, 2018

Deade said:

Well I only touched on the one subject.

That the Passover was , and still [is] on the 14th, and that
the current Jews keep it wrongly on the 15th of the first month.

Sorry I did not go into what day of week, or the year, or the 3 day accounts,
Or why easter today is a man made tradition.

In Jesus’s day, the Pharisees asked Him for proof that He really was the Messiah,
and this was His response: “An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign;
and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas
was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three
days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Matthew 12:39-40).

That was it—Jesus Christ only offered one sign: that, like Jonah (see Jonah 1:17),
He would remain in the grave for three days and three nights.

Ever since, mankind has struggled with second-grade math, trying to squeeze three days
and three nights into a barely 36-hour period between Friday evening and Sunday morning.

There were no eyewitnesses to Christ’s resurrection, and there is only one historical record:
the Holy Bible. Jesus Christ’s proof of His messiahship was singular: not some spectacular
miracle He would perform, or proofs that only the disciples were privy to, or even the fact of
His resurrection. The only proof was the length of time He would be in the ground.

On this point, there can be no contention—they are the words of Christ Himself. Why, then,
would anyone believe He died on Good Friday in the evening and rose on Sunday morning?

Was it Seventy-Two Hours ? There is no real dispute as to the meaning of Christ’s words in
Matthew 12. Certainly He knew how long a day was and how long a night was (12 hours each):

“Are there not twelve hours in the day? … But if a man walk in the night,
he stumbleth,” He said in John 11:9-10.

Hebrew scholars agree that the expression “three days and three nights” in Jonah 1:17
refers to a 72-hour period. The division of the day and night was clearly established in
the very first book of the Bible: “… and God divided the light from the darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the
morning were the first day. … And the evening and the morning were the second day. …
And the evening and the morning were the third day” (Genesis 1:4-13). Notice it:
God even spells out how long three days and nights would take: three periods of light,
and three periods of darkness.

Four other scriptures confirm the period of time Christ was in the grave:
Read Mark 8:31, Mark 9:31, Matthew 27:63 and John 2:19-21.

All confirm the duration. If we reject that singular proof, we reject the sign
that Christ Himself gave of His being the Messiah.

31For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the
hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

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One reason so many believe Christ died on Friday is actually quite sensible. The Bible
explicitly says the day of the crucifixion was called “the preparation” (e.g. Luke 23:54).

This means the next day was a sabbath. Everyone knows the Jews keep a Saturday Sabbath,
so they naturally assume this “preparation” day was a Friday.

Because “it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the
sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day)” (John 19:31).

Note that. That expression “high day” does not denote the weekly Sabbath; rather, it was one
of the annual holy days listed in Leviticus 23—specifically, the first day of Unleavened Bread.
If His legs were broken, Christ would die in time to be buried before the holy day arrived.
But, the Scriptures show, He was already dead when the soldiers arrived.

These annual holy days can fall on any day of the week, not necessarily on Saturday.
The Passover was on Wednesday— in 31 a.d., the year of Christ’s death .

So He was buried just before sunset on Wednesday. Just before the annual Sabbath,
the High Day, known as the First Day of Unleavened Bread. The Passover itself is not
a Sabbath. It is even called the preparation day for the High Day (John 19:31).

-Wednesday <---- Buried just before sunset, tomb sealed marks clock[in the earth]
[between] dusk and dark[twilite maybe]

-Thursday <---- First day of Unleavened Bread
this was the night to be most remembered

-Friday <---- Preparation day for the weekly Sabbath

-Saturday <---- Resurrection just as Sabbath ended.
[maybe between] dusk and dark he arrose,

exactualy [between] the days, makes 3 days 3 nights, if Gods word is to stand.
This is exactly 72 hour just as Christ said it would be (Mat 12:39-40)

-the fact no one recorded or eyewitness saw our Lord rise, sometime before lite

Mar 16:9 Having risen and early first of week he appeared first to
Mary the Magdalene, from whom he had cast seven demons.

He arose - then early on the first day of the week...

This doesn't say He arose on the first day, it says He arose, one event.
Then on early on the first day of the week another event occurred.

the only sign Christ gave us, is not about celebrating easter, sunday sunrise service.
nor does the bible even tells us to celebrate the resurrection.

As for Easter and its traditional Sunday “sunrise service,” there is no biblical basis for its observance.
The Catholic Encyclopedia frankly admits that “the apostolic fathers do not mention it” (article “Easter”).
The pagan origins of Easter and how it became entrenched in our culture are facts of history.

25. In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new
covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."

This falls under the [meat] and [drink] mentioned in Col.16

prove-all · Feb 17, 2018

The Christian Passover, instituted by Jesus to annually commemorate His death, was subtly
changed to a celebration memorializing His resurrection. But there is no command in the Bible,
by Jesus or His apostles, to solemnize His resurrection.

Notice this frank admission from the Catholic Encyclopedia’s article on Easter: “[Easter] is also
the oldest feast of the Christian Church, as old as Christianity, the connecting link between the
Old and New Testaments. That the apostolic fathers do not mention it and that we first hear of it
principally through the Controversy of the Quartodecimans are purely accidental” .

The New Catholic Encyclopedia adds: "Originally both observances [Passover and Easter] were
allowed, but gradually it was felt incongruous that Christians should celebrate Easter on a Jewish
feast, and unity in celebrating the principal Christian feast was called for" .
Easter - Encyclopedia Volume - Catholic Encyclopedia - Catholic Online

The world's observance of Easter is a curious mixture of ancient mythological and idolatrous practices
and arbitrary dating that actually obscure and discredit the proof of Jesus Christ's messiahship and
resurrection. The Passover was discarded and replaced with Easter.

If Jesus were in the grave only from late Friday afternoon to sometime before dawn
on Sunday morning, then the only sign He gave that He was the prophesied Messiah
was not fulfilled. The claim of His messiahship rests on the fulfillment of His words

Each of the Gospel writers gives an account of the events, but each presents different
aspects that we need to correctly synchronize and harmonize to produce a clear sequence
and understanding of what happened.

The Bible does not contradict itself (Psalm:119:160; John:10:35), that not one
of the Gospel accounts contradicts what the other Gospels reveal.
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The two Sabbaths in one week.

Jesus crucified on a Wednesday afternoon and buried later that evening,
before sunset. The next day, Thursday, was an annual Sabbath. The day
after that, was preparation day for the regular weekly Sabbath.

The reason Matthew refers to Sabbaths, plural, is because there were
two Sabbaths that week! When Matthew says Mary came early Sunday morning,
before dawn, after one of the Sabbaths, he is referring to the weekly Sabbath.

-
There is one more sequence of events that provides additional support for
the 72-hour time frame and the fact that there were two “Sabbaths” this week.

Mark 16:1 says Mary Magdalene and her companions bought spices
“when the Sabbath was past.” They were planning to prepare these
ointments and spices so that they might anoint the body of Jesus.

Yet Luke 23:56 says they prepared these spices and then rested on
the weekly Sabbath day. Compare these two texts carefully.

Christ inspired four different Gospel accounts to be written so that all the
important details of His life might be canonized. Mark said these women
bought the spices after the Sabbath was past. Luke said they prepared
the spices before the Sabbath arrived. Mark 16:1-Luke 23:56

Those who hold to the Good Friday-Easter belief must conclude that these
verses are a glaring contradiction. They are not! They complement each
other perfectly, if you understand that there were two Sabbaths that week.

followjesus · Feb 19, 2018

Shamah said:

who said the passover had passed?

the passover was when Jesus shed His Blood. im not really seeing what you are saying to be honest. Jesus, is the fulfilment of the passover.

1 corinthians 5 " Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

do you see that its not actually about keeping a feast and eating bread that is unleavened? but its actually saying unlevened bread, is sincerity and truth and the passover feast is kept by purity of Heart and Life, thats unlevened bread. the old leaven is malice and wickedness. it has nothing to do with observing an actual feast. Just Like Jesus is not actually a Lamb. Like the animals blood never actually had the power to forgive or remit sins, Like the promised land was not really the promised Land, because that is the new earth and heavens were promised.

as far as translations go, ive had 5 different people argue 5 different : true translations of the bible" all different translations. so that whole argument is just not one thats ever going to be solved. each person has thier preference and has thier logic of why thier translation is accurate while all the others miss the mark. i trust the kjv because of the extensive research ive done into Hebrew and greek. others may not, but then it just become the argument without any real conclusion because the ideation is this bible is corrupt and this one that i prefer is not" it just leads to conflict which is why i stay away from the subject.

ive satisfied my own curiousity, but ive also found that people who care will do thier own research into translations, not something i find relevant because I believe God is able to speak through any translation of the bible to One who is seeking Him. its always been available and will be until the end.

i think what leads to not understanding scripture is to study it intelectually and not pray and ask for Gods wisdom each time. the spirit is rewuired for understanding

1 corinthians 2 " Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. "

hebrews is a neccassary book to understand the fulfillment of the Law and prophets and the institiuting of a new covenant, new Law, new preisthood all based on the pattern Giuven to moses and preached as the law. everything they were to do, is fulfilled in Jesus, everything we are to do and believe , is taught By Jesus. and foretold by them.

followjesus · Feb 19, 2018

Deade said:

Shama, followjesus and prove-all: You fellows are really wordy. How do you expect any of these shallow people to follow you, when you keep proving the same issues over and over. Put it in a nutshell: then if they want to follow, list all the proof.

The Passover and Jesus: Nutshell version

You argue the resurrection was on a Sunday, but it was actually on a Saturday evening. Christ was buried just before sundown: and 3 days/3 nights add up to a sundown resurrection. Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday. The Romans said it was Friday because of the sundown Sabbath was approaching. But it says in John 19:14 it was the preparation day (crucifixion day) which is the day before the annual Sabbath of the First Day of Unleavened Bread. Ask any Jew what the preparation day is. Three days and three nights raises Him on Saturday evening. He had already risen by early Sunday John 20:1: "The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre."

Jesus was talking with Mary saying he had not ascended to His Father yet: John 20:16-18: “Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.”

Jesus Appears to the Disciples

John 20:19: “Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.”

Later that same day He appeared to His disciples and they could touch Him. So we can say for sure the ascension was on Sunday. We are given a picture of His ascension as the wave sheath day, when the first fruits were waved before God as a tribute. This was always done on the first Sunday after Passover. [look up wave sheath day for yourself] This still does not make Sunday the Sabbath.

How do you expect any of these shallow people to follow you,

Lol I sure dont expect anyone to follow me friend, just here in a bible discussion forum seems a good place for " words"

it seems like noit everyone understands everything o maybe if there was a place to discuss things like this, freely so that people who already know it, can find something they can learn from, and those who hadnt heard it, can learn something. and if ANYONE is wanting anyone to follow them, they are bound to lead you astray unless they are saying " follow Jesus"

followjesus · Feb 19, 2018

prove-all said:

why would the Lamb of God, need to observe the passover that sheds the blood of actuall animals when He is the fulfillment of that?

communion, is our passover . its done in remembrance of Jesus the Lamb of God and Hos sacrifice to deliver us. the first passover, was a yearly feast to be kept By israel, in remembrance of when God lead them out of slavery in egypt. it isnt a coincidence that Jesus instituted communion at passover feast. its kind of obvious that he did this at the passover feast

Luke 22 : Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. 8And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. 9And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? 10And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. 11And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? 12And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. 13And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
14And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. 15And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: 16For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. 17And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: 18For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

19And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

20Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."

frustrating Here because it seems kind of simply stated jesus sat with His disciples and ate the passover, and instuted communion which is our passover reast to be observed, not slaughtering a lamb and feasting, the lamb is already slain, and we are already offered the bread of Life to feed on. we observe passover by taking communion.

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