Is the bible important for salvation?

[Angela53510]

The Holy Spirit speaks to all hearts directly. Scripture is not required reading, according to scripture.

19For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20For since the creation of the world
God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen,
being understood from His workmanship,
so that men are without excuse.

Lord have mercy! There are posts with only addresses, and now posts with only the verse. Fortunately, I knew this was from Romans 1, and it is not about NOT having to read the Bibleto be saved. In fact, it is about how the wicked are NOT saved, because they have no excuse, natural revelation shows them there is a God.

”For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness, 19 because what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for an image resembling mortal human beings or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles.” Romans 1:18-23[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
As you can see, the excuse has to do with unsaved sinners. They did not glorify God, they were futile in their thoughts, claimed to be wise, etc, so they have no excuse for not turning to God. These verses you quoted need to be read in context. Paul deals first with the Gentile non-believer.

I saw you post this before, I should have corrected you then, I guess! You do understand you have made a verse about God condemning sinners who see God everywhere around them, who go to hell, NOT that no one needs to hear/read the Bible to be saved?

I agree, however, we do need to “hear” the Holy Spirit to be saved. That is required! But, without the Word of God, there is no way to understand or be saved, because the Holy Spirit walks hand in hand with the Bible.

I would advise you to learn about context and its importance, which means not pulling verses like these out of context and making a false doctrine out of it!

 

[seed_time_harvest]

If your looking for biblical proof look at the thief on the cross next to Jesus who was saved. He never once read the Bible or even knew Jesus very long

very,VERY well said.

 

[Depleted]

I have a fear of breaking stuff. Of not treating stuff right. Of getting it all wrong. Of screwing it up.

There was this guy. He was very pretty. Better yet, he was funny, and sensitive, and open, and smart, and wonderful. Made a great friend. Then he asked me out. Then we were going to get married. But I have this fear. (See above for fear.)

The most wonderfulest person to ever come into my life. What if I break him?

I really wanted him to know how much I appreciated his love for me. He'd do anything for me, so I wanted to do as much, if not more for him, just because I loved him (and didn't want to break him.)

February 28th, is the 38th anniversary of our first date. Still have him. (October is our 38th anniversary.) Still want to show my love for him, like he shows his love for me. Still want to make sure he knows how much I love him. Still like to figure out ways to make sure he has everything he needs. (And he still laughs at me for things like getting wire out of the basement, because he said he needed a something-something co-ax cable, except I have no idea what that is, so got the wire out of the basement, which, apparently that isn't, so he laughs at me. lol) I have NOT broken him. When I get it wrong, he doesn't get mad at me. If I screw up, he doesn't get mad at me (for long.)

If I'm willing to do this for him, why wouldn't I be willing to spend my life finding out what God wants me to do for him because HE loves me too?

I do not get why anyone would do the very least they can do for someone who loves them. That's got to break them. And for what? Because you didn't want to love him like he loves you? Didn't even want to get that close to him?

Granted, God doesn't break, but are you his if you are out to get the very most from him for the very least you can give him? That's called "using him," not loving him.

The Bible tells us how to love him. It tells us how he loves us! All of it does that! Read it! That's the instruction manual for the love of our life is.

 

[Zmouth]

If your looking for biblical proof look at the thief on the cross next to Jesus who was saved. He never once read the Bible or even knew Jesus very long

Nothing suggests that the malefactor was saved from the lake of fire.

42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Luke 23:42-43

If man walks in the day he stumbles not because he sees the light of the world,

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt 12:40

yet if any walks in the night he stumbles because there is no light in him.

And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst. 46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: Luke 23:45-46

(Matt 13:13-14)

 

[joefizz]

Nothing suggests that the malefactor was saved from the lake of fire.

42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Luke 23:42-43

If man walks in the day he stumbles not because he sees the light of the world,

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt 12:40

yet if any walks in the night he stumbles because there is no light in him.

And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst. 46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: Luke 23:45-46

(Matt 13:13-14)

So the thief died alongside Jesus and went into paradise and yet he didn't escape the lake of fire?,if ye were given such an opportunity would you choose to return to the world of the living or turn against Jesus or would ye stay in paradise?
if you are referring to him being within the earth and still being judged,considering he was "the only person" that "accepted Jesus as Lord" at his crucifixion (as far as we know)do you really think that God or Jesus would "condemn" him to the lake of fire?

 

[preacher4truth]

Can you be saved by hearing and accepting the gospel

What Gospel? What is the Gospel? Where did you get it from?

without ever reading the bible?

How would you even know what being saved meant, or that you needed to be?

If faith in Jesus is the only way to salvation, then it's not the bible that really saves me.

Where did you get the idea "Bible Saves?" I thought that was Jesus' thing. And, by the way, describe this "Jesus" to me, who he is, what he accomplished, why, and to what end.

 

[preacher4truth]

Nothing suggests that the malefactor was saved from the lake of fire.

You really just need to stop with your absurdities. No one in church history ascribed to such a baseless and asinine conclusion. It's purely unbiblical, argumentative, myopic and is nothing short of utter nonsense.

 

[joefizz]

Can you be saved by hearing and accepting the gospel without ever reading the bible? If faith in Jesus is the only way to salvation, then it's not the bible that really saves me.

I'll skip the formalities of finding out what you believe and specifics,your topic is... "is the bible important for salvation" now the bible is important as God's word in that the "reading of it" or "hearing of it" can "lead" tp salvation but the bible itself is more of a "learning tool" for possibly accepting salvation by accepting Jesus humbly and sincerely as Saviour and Lord,it's words "by itself" "do not save".
Every individual has either the option to reject it's words or accept them,but salvation is not about simply "accepting God's word" but "accepting Jesus" alongside it,for the bible is a declaration of God's love,Jesus's sacrifice,and only that "through Jesus" is Salvation,there has to be a "choice" on an individual's part to accept "both" or Jesus in particular.

 

[Locutus]

Didn't read...

 

[joefizz]

I'll skip the formalities of finding out what you believe and specifics,your topic is... "is the bible important for salvation" now the bible is important as God's word in that the "reading of it" or "hearing of it" can "lead" tp salvation but the bible itself is more of a "learning tool" for possibly accepting salvation by accepting Jesus humbly and sincerely as Saviour and Lord,it's words "by itself" "do not save".
Every individual has either the option to reject it's words or accept them,but salvation is not about simply "accepting God's word" but "accepting Jesus" alongside it,for the bible is a declaration of God's love,Jesus's sacrifice,and only that "through Jesus" is Salvation,there has to be a "choice" on an individual's part to accept "both" or Jesus in particular.

To clarify further the "hearing of" Jesus's works and accepting them and thereafter "accepting Jesus as Saviour and Lord saves" or likewise "reading" and accepting Jesus's works and thereafter "accepting Jesus as Saviour and Lord" there is getting around it whether you "hear" God's word or "read it" everyone "must accept Jesus as Saviour and Lord" to be saved.

 

[Bladerunner]

Can you be saved by hearing and accepting the gospel without ever reading the bible? If faith in Jesus is the only way to salvation, then it's not the bible that really saves me.

The Bible is the WORD of GOD! Does that save you? How can you believe in Jesus Christ if you do not know or believe in the WORD of GOD. For If I teach one, I would teach one through the Authority of GOD and that is the BIBLE, HIS WORDs and giving them the Gospel. 1 Cor 15:1-4..........You would be surprised at the number of Christians you ask that do not Know what the Gospel is much less where it is located at.....Are they Truely Saved??????? Of Course that is up to GOD but according to the Bible,I would offer at least unfavorable odds.

 

[preston39]

If your looking for biblical proof look at the thief on the cross next to Jesus who was saved. He never once read the Bible or even knew Jesus very long[/QUOTE]


M...,

The Bible does not tell us that...so where did you get the finality of your statement?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Nothing suggests that the malefactor was saved from the lake of fire.

42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Luke 23:42-43

If man walks in the day he stumbles not because he sees the light of the world,

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt 12:40

yet if any walks in the night he stumbles because there is no light in him.

And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst. 46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: Luke 23:45-46

(Matt 13:13-14)

For GOD so loved the world that HE gave HIS only begotten SON that whosoever believes In HIM should not perish but have EverLasting LIFE.

 

[joefizz]

If your looking for biblical proof look at the thief on the cross next to Jesus who was saved. He never once read the Bible or even knew Jesus very long[/QUOTE]


M...,

The Bible does not tell us that...so where did you get the finality of your statement?

Point taken but Monnkai was establishing how "biblically" we don't know if the thief "read" the bible,but he accepted Jesus as Lord just as anyone else can.

 

[joefizz]

For GOD so loved the world that HE gave HIS only begotten SON that whosoever believes In HIM should not perish but have EverLasting LIFE.

Yep John 3:16 and John 3:15 is similar to it.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I wonder what our churches would look like if we had the heart of the writer of Psalm 119:


Psalm 119:

129 Thy testimonies are wonderful: therefore doth my soul keep them.

130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

131 I opened my mouth, and panted: for I longed for thy commandments.

132 Look thou upon me, and be merciful unto me, as thou usest to do unto those that love thy name.

133 Order my steps in thy word: and let not any iniquity have dominion over me.

134 Deliver me from the oppression of man: so will I keep thy precepts.

135 Make thy face to shine upon thy servant; and teach me thy statutes.

136 Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.


or how about Jeremiah:

Jeremiah 15:16 Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

 

[preston39]

Point taken but Monnkai was establishing how "biblically" we don't know if the thief "read" the bible,but he accepted Jesus as Lord just as anyone else can.

j...,

I understand the point being made. But, we all must be extra careful not commit wrong biblical references.

Some argue that the thief on the cross was never baptized....nothing in scriptures support that.

For all we know he had repented, been baptized and had fallen away. Much is offered in scriptures concerning backsliding as well as maintaining our righteous standing with G-d.

 

[Depleted]

If your looking for biblical proof look at the thief on the cross next to Jesus who was saved. He never once read the Bible or even knew Jesus very long[/QUOTE]


M...,

The Bible does not tell us that...so where did you get the finality of your statement?

It wasn't finished for another 70 years?

 

[SovereignGrace]

What Gospel? What is the Gospel? Where did you get it from?



How would you even know what being saved meant, or that you needed to be?



Where did you get the idea "Bible Saves?" I thought that was Jesus' thing. And, by the way, describe this "Jesus" to me, who he is, what he accomplished, why, and to what end.

I agree with the OP in that ppl in remote areas have been saved w/o reading a bible. HOWEVER, none can be saved outside of it, either. What I mean is those who never read a bible who are saved, were saved by hearing the word from one of God’s ppl. Faith come from hearing the word of God. No one is saved without hearing and/or reading the word.

 

[finaldesire]

What about this verse.

John 5:39 New International Version (NIV)
You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me,

So what does this mean?