DELIVER US FROM DELIVERANCE MINISTERS

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7seasrekeyed

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I was going to respond in another thread, but because of the gravity of the thread and a situation that the op expressed and a response that makes me really ticked off (yes it happens), I decided to open up a thread for discussion regarding

DELIVERANCE MINISTERS

rather than become embroiled in a disagreement that sidetracked the aforementioned thread

so...are deliverance ministers genuine or not?

is that an actual ministry?

I believe demons exist. I believe they need to be dealt with as the occasion may arise.

I do not believe we go chasing them, specialize in them or otherwise create an entire 'ministry' surrounding them

thoughts and comments of either side....scripture backing up what you think is helpful

name calling not desired or helpful

guess we will see what develops
 

Nehemiah6

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...thoughts and comments of either side....scripture backing up what you think is helpful
The primary error of deliverance ministries is that they believe that Christians can be demon-possesed. Please note:
Can a Christian have a demon? - Yes! Just as a believer can be in bondage to pornography, lust, anger, and other evil bondages, they can also carry unclean spirits as well. There is much more information on this subject in our article on, "Can a Christian have a Demon?"
Quoted from Spiritual warfare, deliverance, casting out demons, strongholds and more!

This is completely false. Before a person is born again, they must receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Be "baptized WITH the Holy Ghost". Which means that the Holy Spirit comes to indwell the believer. Which also means that no evil spirits can take up residence within the saint. As Scripture says:Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. (1 John 4:4).
 
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BillG

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Demons do exist.
Can they possess a believer?
I say no.

Can they vex a believer?
I would say yes, a believer can give the devil a foothold.

If that's the case do they need deliverance?
I would say no.

If a foothold is given it needs to be repented off.
If the foothold is deep then maybe healing is needed. Learned patterns of behaviour.
 
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Most of the body of Christ (Believers) are being oppress by the Devil; force to do things against their will. 2 Tim. 2:24-26.
 
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Ariel82

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Satan tempted Jesus in the desert but that doesn't mean He was oppressed by Satan or forced to do things against His will.


The Holy spirit allows us to stand firm against Satan and His lies and watch as He flees.

We just need faith, firm Biblical knowledge and foundation, the Holy spirit and prayer.

Those are the weapons given to all born again children of God. We have spiritual armor, all is need is that we learn to use them effectively.
 
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heartofdavid

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Demons do exist.
Can they possess a believer?
I say no.

Can they vex a believer?
I would say yes, a believer can give the devil a foothold.

If that's the case do they need deliverance?
I would say no.

If a foothold is given it needs to be repented off.
If the foothold is deep then maybe healing is needed. Learned patterns of behaviour.
Beleiver
Devil
Foothold
Sounds like a devil in the temple to me
 
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heartofdavid

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Most of the body of Christ (Believers) are being oppress by the Devil; force to do things against their will. 2 Tim. 2:24-26.
Vs 26 says beleivers are taken captive by satan at his will
 
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heartofdavid

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I was going to respond in another thread, but because of the gravity of the thread and a situation that the op expressed and a response that makes me really ticked off (yes it happens), I decided to open up a thread for discussion regarding

DELIVERANCE MINISTERS

rather than become embroiled in a disagreement that sidetracked the aforementioned thread

so...are deliverance ministers genuine or not?

is that an actual ministry?

I believe demons exist. I believe they need to be dealt with as the occasion may arise.

I do not believe we go chasing them, specialize in them or otherwise create an entire 'ministry' surrounding them

thoughts and comments of either side....scripture backing up what you think is helpful

name calling not desired or helpful

guess we will see what develops
The great commission was to ,in part,cast out devils
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I don't have much time right now, but I appreciate and like the different responses...good discussion material and I'll get back later

but in the meantime, this:

The great commission was to ,in part,cast out devils
true. but this op is about 'deliverance ministers'

are they genuine or not? is this a ministry in and of itself is what I'm asking

is that an actual ministry...are or is anyone called to be a minister of delivering people from demons?

Bible references please
 

Dino246

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Much of this discussion roils around the idea of "possession". That's a distraction... and I suspect I know the source of it. We would all do well to read The Screwtape Letters at least once.

Why do we spend so much time arguing about whether a Christian can be possessed/oppressed/infested/influenced, and so little time discussing how to help such people get free... whether the freedom is from an unclean spirit or merely an entrenched pattern of sin, or hurt from the past? For the record, I recognize that there are many complex situations where the exact nature of the "hindrance", whether spiritual, emotional, or physical, is unclear.

Have we (myself included) not become the Pharisees, who argued about whether it was right to heal on the Sabbath while Jesus went ahead and set the captives free?

To the OP... I think that the ministry of setting people free is not given to anyone in particular, and certainly not such that people should take on such titles. Discerning (distinguishing) of spirits is a gift of the Holy Spirit, so the identification of an unclean spirit as such may fall to a few so gifted. All Christians are empowered to deal with unclean spirits though. Those who walk in an appropriate state of preparedness (personal holiness, prayer life, etc.) may be more effective in such ministry, but again, that is an open door to pride. Paul didn't make a big deal of casting out unclean spirits... neither should we.
 
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heartofdavid

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Our gifts and callings are diverse.
There are drug rehab ministries and child trafficking ministries. I don't beleive either is named in the word.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Much of this discussion roils around the idea of "possession". That's a distraction... and I suspect I know the source of it. We would all do well to read The Screwtape Letters at least once.

Why do we spend so much time arguing about whether a Christian can be possessed/oppressed/infested/influenced, and so little time discussing how to help such people get free... whether the freedom is from an unclean spirit or merely an entrenched pattern of sin, or hurt from the past? For the record, I recognize that there are many complex situations where the exact nature of the "hindrance", whether spiritual, emotional, or physical, is unclear.

Have we (myself included) not become the Pharisees, who argued about whether it was right to heal on the Sabbath while Jesus went ahead and set the captives free?

To the OP... I think that the ministry of setting people free is not given to anyone in particular, and certainly not such that people should take on such titles. Discerning (distinguishing) of spirits is a gift of the Holy Spirit, so the identification of an unclean spirit as such may fall to a few so gifted. All Christians are empowered to deal with unclean spirits though. Those who walk in an appropriate state of preparedness (personal holiness, prayer life, etc.) may be more effective in such ministry, but again, that is an open door to pride. Paul didn't make a big deal of casting out unclean spirits... neither should we.
okay...I get what you are saying...but if you can just hold that idea in suspension for now and deal with the actual op only? as far as possession goes, people have some bad understanding about the use of that word and not what the original text says anyway

but you are right about Paul and that is an important poinnt!

I'm not talking possession or not...I am talking actual ministers whose ministry is to deliver others?

I believe you and I are on the same page anyway with the possession question

thanks
 
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7seasrekeyed

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seems a direct answer from some is like trying to nail jello to the wall :p

not trying to offend....trying to be direct and wanting direct answers

that is how we derive the truth and hopefully cause some thinking

and how bout that Bible? whats it say?

later
 
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heartofdavid

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Demon infested individuals manifest when the right strings are pulled on them.
There can be vomiting and gagging.
Messy but necessary. Then the chains are broken with glorious deliverance.
Christians can be in need of deliverance. One clue is not being able ti shake something,even after prayer and everyone and their mother has prayed and prayed and prayed.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Demon infested individuals manifest when the right strings are pulled on them.
There can be vomiting and gagging.
Messy but necessary. Then the chains are broken with glorious deliverance.
Christians can be in need of deliverance. One clue is not being able ti shake something,even after prayer and everyone and their mother has prayed and prayed and prayed.
aw come on

you are totally deviating

you know I posted this thread because of YOUR response...no surprise there

I am dogged in trying to keep on track here...wish you would leave out the frills, chills and goosebumps
 

Nehemiah6

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Vs 26 says beleivers are taken captive by satan at his will
You are either misunderstanding or misinterpreting this Scripture, so let's take a close look ant what was actually written by Paul:

In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

1. We are told that there were some Christians who were opposing the truth and they were to be instructed in meekness.

2. It was Paul's hope that God would bring them to repentance so that they would acknowledge the truth and abandon the lies.

3. The lies were created by Satan and had become the snare (or trap) of the Devil to entrap the minds of these Christians in lies opposed to God's truth.


4. Because these Christians had been ensnared or entrapped in lies, they had become captives of Satan at his will. In other words, Satan had desired to trap some Christians in lies which opposed God' truth, and because they preferred the lies to the truth, they were trapped. Therefore it was Paul's desire to see them freed from this snare by having Timothy instruct them in the truth, so that they would repent -- turn away form the lies -- and acknowledge the truth without any reservation.

There is no way that this can be interpreted as the Christians being demon-possessed. We currently have a thread about "Some misconceptions about God" where some Christians have been snared by the lies of the Devil spoken through false teachers. There is no way that one can this demon-possession. They are simply deceived, and if they will not repent then they will continue to be deceived by Satan.
 
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Many Christians are living under a great depression. If they were to tell you their stories, it will all end the same way...life has not been fair. Just so you know that you're not alone. The bible is full of men and women who became discourage.

Job said, "Better is the day of my death then the day of my birth." Jonah ask God to kill him because he was so depressed and discourage. Moses windup wondering in a wilderness tending sheep for forty years when he was raised to be a Pharaoh. Even the Great Apostle Paul says, "I was down to the point of death." So even the great names in the bible had a battle with depression. If you read the Psalms you'll see David say over and over and over again, "Oh my soul - why are you so disturbed within me.

And if you have not experience depression keep on living. Life has a way of showing up and showing out. It is doing this time Christians must draw near with full confidence to Lord Jesus Christ. The scripture also says to encourage one another and build each other up. (Hebrews 4:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:11)

Pastor Tony Evans