My thoughts on Job (thus far)

[MattforJesus]

Psa 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.

For they are right with God at the time they died,and cannot mess it up for they are no longer on earth,and will dwell with Him forever.

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
Job 1:2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.

Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.

Job offered sacrifices,and atonement for himself,and for his children,and did it continuously so that he and his children would be right before the LORD.

God is a loving,and merciful God,and I do not believe that God would of allowed Satan to take Job's children unless they were right with God,so although they lost their physical life,in the afterlife they will dwell with God.

And those that are right with God and die,blessed are they for they cannot mess up being right with God for they are not on earth anymore with the sin,and temptations,around them.

God allowed Satan to take Job's children,but I do not believe He would of allowed Satan to take Job's children unless they were right with Him,and would not allow Satan to afflict Job if he was not a righteous man.

Job would be alright once the trial was over,and Job's children would be alright eternal life with God when the time comes.

 

[posthuman]

God is a loving,and merciful God,and I do not believe that God would of allowed Satan to take Job's children unless they were right with God,so although they lost their physical life,in the afterlife they will dwell with God.

And those that are right with God and die,blessed are they for they cannot mess up being right with God for they are not on earth anymore with the sin,and temptations,around them.

God allowed Satan to take Job's children,but I do not believe He would of allowed Satan to take Job's children unless they were right with Him,and would not allow Satan to afflict Job if he was not a righteous man.

Job would be alright once the trial was over,and Job's children would be alright eternal life with God when the time comes.

do you think God doesn't allow anyone to die, or that He doesn't send anyone to the grave unless they are saved??

that's an indefensible position, i think

 

[Miri]

Did you now Job was a prophet, most people dont.

James 5:10-11 NKJV
[10] My brethren, take the prophets, who spoke in the name of the Lord,
as an example of suffering and patience. [11] Indeed we count them
blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and
seen the end intended by the Lord-that the Lord is very compassionate and
merciful.


Job is one of the oldest books of the bible, it’s thought that there would have been
people around (generations) at the time of Job who were within living memory of
the flood. Like grandparents, great grand parents etc.

Can you imagine speaking and listening to someone who was within living memory of
the flood. I bet they took God dead serious.




On and look at these verses. job got his wish!

Job 19:23-26 NKJV
[23] "Oh, that my words were written! Oh, that they were inscribed in a book!
[24] That they were engraved on a rock With an iron pen and lead, forever!
[25] For I know that my Redeemer lives, And He shall stand at last on the earth;
[26] And after my skin is destroyed, this I know, That in my flesh I shall see God,

 

[Miri]

I like the book of Job, I think it’s very special. Satan challenged God and God won that
challenge through Job. It perfectly demonstrates how God works through us and partners
with us. God could do everything Himself but he chooses to work through us. We were
created to work with a God and have a relationship with Him.

God knew Job would overcome. I don’t think God would have allowed the challenge to
go ahead if He thought Job was not up to it.

He was rewarded with everything restored plus more.

There are similarities also with Abraham who was challenged to sacrifice Isaac. Abraham
was ready for the challenge and as a result he was given countless offspring physical and
spiritual.

People talk about Job as if that’s the norm for us all and that we should all expect to
suffer like that or that God wants us all to suffer like that. He doesn’t, God deals with
each one of us an individual’s. He won’t give us more that we can bare. It might seem like
He does at the time, but He doesn’t. Job was able to bare more than most and Satan got
His come uppance.

It also shows that not all bad things happen due to lack of faith, because we are bad, or
because we are sinful. That’s important to understand too. Although many will try to
tell you that.

 

[Monnkai]

Did you now Job was a prophet, most people dont.

James 5:10-11 NKJV
[10] My brethren, take the prophets, who spoke in the name of the Lord,
as an example of suffering and patience. [11] Indeed we count them
blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and
seen the end intended by the Lord-that the Lord is very compassionate and
merciful.


Job is one of the oldest books of the bible, it’s thought that there would have been
people around (generations) at the time of Job who were within living memory of
the flood. Like grandparents, great grand parents etc.

Can you imagine speaking and listening to someone who was within living memory of
the flood. I bet they took God dead serious.




On and look at these verses. job got his wish!

Job 19:23-26 NKJV
[23] "Oh, that my words were written! Oh, that they were inscribed in a book!
[24] That they were engraved on a rock With an iron pen and lead, forever!
[25] For I know that my Redeemer lives, And He shall stand at last on the earth;
[26] And after my skin is destroyed, this I know, That in my flesh I shall see God,

I actually didnt connect that last verse with Christ until after I read it. Although I should have since Ive read the verse before played to a song describing revelations. It was to a song called End of the Age by a christian metal band called Becoming the Archetype

 

[followjesus]

in Job's defense his friends were accusing him of being a sinner or his kids being sinners and thus deserving to be punished, which God shows is a lie. He wasn't being punished for his sins at all.

i would like to read your thoughts on Job. I have been studying the book myself but haven't been able to put to words all my thoughts in any coherent form.

the main thing i have been looking at is the lies that Job's friends told and the main thing I got is they accused Job of sin when that wasn't the case at all and they accuse God of punishing Job when God was NOT punishing Job at all but allowing a testing of Job's faith.

Job does get depressed and wishes for death but he also looks for a Redeemer and a Mediator to speak on his behalf. We can praise God that HE sent us Christ Jesus to be our Redeemer and Mediator.

personally I believe Elihu is also a mediator and prophet that announces God's presence, but others accuse him of being worst than Job's three friends. I wonder what you believe? But that isn't until Chapter 32 so maybe in a few days.

really good thoughts.


its strange the elihu, is not reprimanded with jobs other 3 friends. elihu recognizes thier fallacy, and points it out to Job by contrasting the thingsthey have fed Him. i too see elihu as sent of God , and a mediator for Jobs emotional thoughts of despair. elihu actually brings job close to humility, and then God speaks when Job is prepared. which teaches Job the lesson.

also showing Gods goodness in that in all Job said from his Hurt, God didnt count it against Him. but still held Him in the same High regard as when the book began. Job in some aspects was Learning of Gods grace.

 

[followjesus]

Did you now Job was a prophet, most people dont.

James 5:10-11 NKJV
[10] My brethren, take the prophets, who spoke in the name of the Lord,
as an example of suffering and patience. [11] Indeed we count them
blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and
seen the end intended by the Lord-that the Lord is very compassionate and
merciful.


Job is one of the oldest books of the bible, it’s thought that there would have been
people around (generations) at the time of Job who were within living memory of
the flood. Like grandparents, great grand parents etc.

Can you imagine speaking and listening to someone who was within living memory of
the flood. I bet they took God dead serious.




On and look at these verses. job got his wish!

Job 19:23-26 NKJV
[23] "Oh, that my words were written! Oh, that they were inscribed in a book!
[24] That they were engraved on a rock With an iron pen and lead, forever!
[25] For I know that my Redeemer lives, And He shall stand at last on the earth;
[26] And after my skin is destroyed, this I know, That in my flesh I shall see God,

did you Know abel was a prophet?

Luke 11 " Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: 50That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; 51From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation."

 

[followjesus]

do you think God doesn't allow anyone to die, or that He doesn't send anyone to the grave unless they are saved??

that's an indefensible position, i think

they were most Likely right with God because Job was sacrificing and praying for them every day, intercession. wich is the same thing he says for Job to do to reconcile his 3 friends making atonement for them. as He had been doing daily for His Kids.

 

[Miri]

did you Know abel was a prophet?

Luke 11 " Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: 50That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; 51From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation."

Yes ........

 

[Ariel82]

before I read the rest of your posts (I read a few) I'd like to give my opinion on the book. My first impression is my goodness can everyone talk in this book! I thought Jobs speeches would last forever and I thought to myself several times is this almost over with? But in the Job was blessed even more which I thought was a good ending. What I got as the message was Trust God no matter how bad it seems. Thats what I got from it. One thing I dont understand and hope someone can explain is what did Jobs friends do wrong? I thought they all made good points

They falsely accused Job of sinning. Job refutes their false accusations in chapters 30 and 31.

He says he did feed widows, didn't steal from orphans, didn't worship idols/gold or wealth as they accused him of doing.

 

[Ariel82]

I guess im not the best at comprehension or just a tad slow but I didnt realize they were accusing him till you said something I think I might have to read it again

I had to read it about 15 times and still reading it over. Its a tough book because it's not obvious how they insinuate his guilt.

 

[Ariel82]

Allow me...(it's confusing at first)
1.his so called friends only came over at first to gawk at him which is why finally Job vented for awhile by himself.
2.3 out of 4(yes one friend didn't have to give to Job because he spoke well of God)did not "Speak truth of God thereby not Glorifying him".
3.the friends in the wrong spoke ill of Job

Perhaps they didn't come to gawk but to observe the 7 day mourning of his kids?

Timeline for Jewish Traditions in Death and Mourning

 

[Ariel82]

Well back then losing all your crops and your entire family dying and especially having sores all over your body or really being plague with massive illness was a sign of sin and I think his friends having this mentality thought it was the logical reason for his suffering, however they were not aware of the situation that actually happening and so falsely spoke. tbh I myself am confused about this, I mean yes Job's integrity as a righteous upright person is a clear sign of his being right when he said he didn't sin but at the same time I don't know how god expected his friends to know what was happening due to the mentality of how all that happened to job is a sign of sin.

Eliphaz started his speech with the fact Job helped strengthen the faith of many. They knew of his good deeds, yet still accused him without reason.

 

[Ariel82]

I'd like to share my thoughts on Job particularly his friends,it to me was pretty unfriend like of them to just "sit there and stare" at Job for so long in my opinion I understand he had boils from head to toe but come on if a friend is down you ought to cheer them up or at least talk to them.

Sometimes sitting in silence is more helpful to a grieving person then many words...it means you care enough to take 7 days from your own life to sit with them...how many have friends who would do this?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

You guys are knocking my socks off! Miri, Ariel, fj. I am hurried this morning but will definitely be back to read this thread again more slowly. Thanks for starting such a superb thread monnkai!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yeah the old days were quite different such a blessing to be able to not only be saved not of ourselves but also to have the holy spirit indwell us so abundantly.

One must remember context. Ezekiel 14 is talking about living in the land that was being punished for sin, and he said even if Daniel. Noah and Job were in it. Their righteousness would not be enough to save the whole land, but only themselves. Not only is this a fact. But it was proven, When the land was punished, Daniel was taken to babylon.

Also remember, Daniel considered himself a sinner (see dan 9)

Th point being, Those 3 would still not be righteous enough to enter heaven, They still needed their savior.

Context is crucial when looking at passages of scripture.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If they had received that stamp of approval from God without the Holy Spirit how much more is the standard for us today?

They did not get the stamp of approval worthy of salvation by God. You took that passage out of context. Even daniel considered himself a sinner.

Only one person fulfilled the law in perfect obedience, and that was christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Don't dumb it down with philosophy. Job, Jesus and the Apostles were not immoral sinners.

Oh boy. Talk like this should scare everyone.

Job was not punished for sin, Scripture is clear on this. But to say he was perfect. And not part of the “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” is a dangerous proposition, it states man can be considered worthy of eternal life of his own works.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Did you now Job was a prophet, most people dont.

James 5:10-11 NKJV
[10] My brethren, take the prophets, who spoke in the name of the Lord,
as an example of suffering and patience. [11] Indeed we count them
blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and
seen the end intended by the Lord-that the Lord is very compassionate and
merciful.


Job is one of the oldest books of the bible, it’s thought that there would have been
people around (generations) at the time of Job who were within living memory of
the flood. Like grandparents, great grand parents etc.

Can you imagine speaking and listening to someone who was within living memory of
the flood. I bet they took God dead serious.




On and look at these verses. job got his wish!

Job 19:23-26 NKJV
[23] "Oh, that my words were written! Oh, that they were inscribed in a book!
[24] That they were engraved on a rock With an iron pen and lead, forever!
[25] For I know that my Redeemer lives, And He shall stand at last on the earth;
[26] And after my skin is destroyed, this I know, That in my flesh I shall see God,

it also makes sense they were deep into thinking sickness and any calamity was Gods response to sin. Because of the closeness of the biggest calamity on earth cause as punishment for mans sin.

 

[prove-all]

do you think God doesn't allow anyone to die, or that
He doesn't send anyone to the grave unless they are saved??


that's an indefensible position, i think

Ecclesiastes 9:11
I returned and saw under the sun that— The race is not to the swift,
Nor the battle to the strong, Nor bread to the wise,
Nor riches to men of understanding, Nor favor to men of skill;


But time and chance happen to them all.