Epistle of James

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What goes for the body of Christ 2,000 years ago, goes for the body of Christ today. Paul's letters open with his audience. For instance, the book of 1 Corinthians he states:

2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

Paul later states:

For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
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See what I mean, James epistle goes for is today. Just like Paul’s letter written to the Ephesians was for them, and even his letter to Corinthian, which adressed a problem in the Corinthian church. it still goes for us today.


James write a letter to his people (isreal) yet what James wrote is applicable to us today.

 
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I'm not willing to contradict the rest of Scripture to make James a Christian epistle. Besides, it's obvious that there were those in James's audience who had no received the word of God and needed their souls saved. See post #12.
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James does not contradict the rest of scripture. Thats your first mistake. There is nothing james write which is not applicable to us today. Even James 2. If not only highly applicable today. But sadly many church distort it to a meaning James never intended.
 
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See what I mean, James epistle goes for is today. Just like Paul’s letter written to the Ephesians was for them, and even his letter to Corinthian, which adressed a problem in the Corinthian church. it still goes for us today.


James write a letter to his people (isreal) yet what James wrote is applicable to us today.
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There are applications to be had in the book of James, yes, but doctrinally it is written to the twelve tribes of Israel, not Jewish believers.

The book of James is not addressed to the body of Christ.
 
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James does not contradict the rest of scripture. Thats your first mistake. There is nothing james write which is not applicable to us today. Even James 2. If not only highly applicable today. But sadly many church distort it to a meaning James never intended.
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Using the term "twelve tribes" as a Christian audience would contradict every other usage in Scripture of the term "twelve tribes." Twelve tribes is never used to refer to Christians but the nation of Israel as a whole, every time.
 
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Using the term "twelve tribes" as a Christian audience would contradict every other usage in Scripture of the term "twelve tribes." Twelve tribes is never used to refer to Christians but the nation of Israel as a whole, every time.
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You do not listen do you?

James used (12 tribes) in the same way Paul used (Ephesus)

Just because he wrote to a specific group of people. Does not mean they do nto fully relate to us today,. James is just as applicable to us today as the book of Ephesians was. Even though NIETHER book was directly addressed to any of us.
 
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There are applications to be had in the book of James, yes, but doctrinally it is written to the twelve tribes of Israel, not Jewish believers.

The book of James is not addressed to the body of Christ.
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It does nto matter, Every word he said is applicable to us.. Just like every word of scripture is applicable to us (ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired by God. Not just parts of scripture..
 
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You do not listen do you?

James used (12 tribes) in the same way Paul used (Ephesus)

Just because he wrote to a specific group of people. Does not mean they do nto fully relate to us today,. James is just as applicable to us today as the book of Ephesians was. Even though NIETHER book was directly addressed to any of us.
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Are you part of the body of Christ or the twelve tribes?

There is a difference between application and doctrine. Is the following doctrine for the rich believer today?

1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
 
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Are you part of the body of Christ or the twelve tribes?

There is a difference between application and doctrine. Is the following doctrine for the rich believer today?

1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
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I guess you can just throw most of the OT out to. Since it was not written to the church , it has no meaning for us today (I beg to differ, but using your faulty logic)

Believe whatever you want man, No one is stopping you.
 
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It does nto matter, Every word he said is applicable to us.. Just like every word of scripture is applicable to us (ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired by God. Not just parts of scripture..
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Or how about the following:
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

The prayers of elders shall, not might, but shall saved the sick.
 
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Or how about the following:
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

The prayers of elders shall, not might, but shall saved the sick.
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I have seen many people healed of sickness and saved from death. And if these people were sick because of the sins they commmited. They were forgiven by the people also.

Your single minded man, Open your mind, it is not all a smal world. There is much you are missing because your stuck in a TRANBSLATION of the word.
 
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I guess you can just throw most of the OT out to. Since it was not written to the church , it has no meaning for us today (I beg to differ, but using yopu faulty logic)

Believe whatever you want man, No one is stopping you.
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The Bible has three audiences: Jew, Gentile, the body of Christ.

Is the book of Jonah written to the body of Christ doctrinally to follow? Are we to specifically go to Nineveh and preach in forty days Nineveh shall be overthrown? No. But there is much spiritual application to be had throughout.

Are we to build an ark?
 
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I have seen many people healed of sickness and saved from death. And if these people were sick because of the sins they commmited. They were forgiven by the people also.

Your single minded man, Open your mind, it is not all a smal world. There is much you are missing because your stuck in a TRANBSLATION of the word.
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Every time elders prayer over sick, are the sick healed as stated in James? Every time? Godly people die every day who have had elders pray over them.
 
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Every time elders prayer over sick, are the sick healed as stated in James? Every time? Godly people die every day who have had elders pray over them.
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Mark said everyone who is born of God will drink poison and not die, or get bitten by a snake and not die. Is this true for every child of God? (Before you answer. Many a child of God has died from poisoning) so which is it?

Again, your reasoning is flawed. But you seem to the the ONLY person who does not see it.
 
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The Bible has three audiences: Jew, Gentile, the body of Christ.

Is the book of Jonah written to the body of Christ doctrinally to follow? Are we to specifically go to Nineveh and preach in forty days Nineveh shall be overthrown? No. But there is much spiritual application to be had throughout.

Are we to build an ark?
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lol.. So we should ignore all of genesis? We should ignore all of exodus? We should ignore Jonas story and not find application?

Your reasoning is flawed..
 
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Mark said everyone who is born of God will drink poison and not die, or get bitten by a snake and not die. Is this true for every child of God? (Before you answer. Many a child of God has died from poisoning) so which is it?

Again, your reasoning is flawed. But you seem to the the ONLY person who does not see it.
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Remember to rightly divide the word of truth. These sign gifts were given early on to the church to show the Jews signs of the truth. Jews needed a sign. These sign gifts went away with the Jews' rejection of their Messiah.
 
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The Bible has three audiences: Jew, Gentile, the body of Christ.

Is the book of Jonah written to the body of Christ doctrinally to follow? Are we to specifically go to Nineveh and preach in forty days Nineveh shall be overthrown? No. But there is much spiritual application to be had throughout.

Are we to build an ark?
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The Bible has one audience, All people all over the word. And their lost state, and the good news of Jesus who wants to save them, Even the jews were given a task (which they failed) to be a light into the world and draw them to him.

In this book, are different characters, which are used different ways (ie, like jews or gentiles) and different things which draw us to God (ie the flood, the law) But the whole book is written to the whole world. All things are applicable (ie we can find out what God wants us to learn from these things) to the world. The end goal of the Bible is to bring the world and those in it into a relationship with God (ie the body of Christ) of which there is no jew or gentile and all from Adam until the last man who dies as a believer, is a part of that body.

 
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lol.. So we should ignore all of genesis? We should ignore all of exodus? We should ignore Jonas story and not find application?

Your reasoning is flawed..
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Ignore? Why ignore? Study. Learn the history of the man and his relation to God. It has tons of value and personal application, but doctrinally we should know to whom the writer is speaking with.

Have you built that ark yet? Why not? Was not that direction from God? Are you going to ignore direction from God?
 
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Remember to rightly divide the word of truth. These sign gifts were given early on to the church to show the Jews signs of the truth. Jews needed a sign. These sign gifts went away with the Jews' rejection of their Messiah.
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They were given to gentiles to. Peter witnessed it.. Any time God was going to change up something, huge used miracles. Look at moses and pharaoh, many mighty miracles. The early church and jesus life was not the first time this happened.
 
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Ignore? Why ignore? Study. Learn the history of the man and his relation to God. It has tons of value and personal application, but doctrinally we should know to whom the writer is speaking with.

Have you built that ark yet? Why not? Was not that direction from God? Are you going to ignore direction from God?
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Yep. And learn the problems in james as well.. Do not just ignore it because it was written to the people James loved. And say it has no application to the church. It does. Every word of it. Just like every word of genesis does.

Stop with the did I build an ark stuff. The ark has much application to my life and trusting God.
 
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Yep. And learn the problems in james as well.. Do not just ignore it because it was written to the people James loved. And say it has no application to the church. It does. Every word of it. Just like every word of genesis does.

Stop with the did I build an ark stuff. The ark has much application to my life and trusting God.
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Spiritual or personal application is not doctrine. Doctrine is specific instructions from God to obey.
 
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