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Amen....I thought of David's son immediately and Paul as well
Paul said he was ALIVE once without the law and when the LAW came (realized his guilt) SIN revived and he DIED.....He was alive and breathing when he wrote this...so How did he die? He died spiritually....
My view....all children are safe under the blood until they reach a point that that understand guilt (age varies) and all who are born mentally incapable of understanding their guilt such as children with mental diseases are also safe under the blood.
Jesus did say, suffer the little children to come unto me......
Paul said he was ALIVE once without the law and when the LAW came (realized his guilt) SIN revived and he DIED.....He was alive and breathing when he wrote this...so How did he die? He died spiritually....
My view....all children are safe under the blood until they reach a point that that understand guilt (age varies) and all who are born mentally incapable of understanding their guilt such as children with mental diseases are also safe under the blood.
Jesus did say, suffer the little children to come unto me......
Children do not understand right from wrong. Jesus demonstrates this by always talking to the parents of the sick or demon possessed children and not the child. This also teaches us about the age of accountability.
14: Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD. Exodus 30:14
We should be careful on how we come to the conclusion of those elected.(how we hear God) I think it is just as easy for God to give His faith to a person who is severely retarded as deaf, and dumb then one that chases after a intellectual gospel. I would think the purpose would be in respect to Him that does work in us to both will and do his good pleasure.
We walk by the unseen faith of God .
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
14: Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD. Exodus 30:14
We should be careful on how we come to the conclusion of those elected.(how we hear God) I think it is just as easy for God to give His faith to a person who is severely retarded as deaf, and dumb then one that chases after a intellectual gospel. I would think the purpose would be in respect to Him that does work in us to both will and do his good pleasure.
We walk by the unseen faith of God .
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
There is an age of accountability that is appointed for ALL of us (the time when Christ knocks on our heart's door and desires a relationship with us.) For young little children, they are pure for they haven't reach that age of accountability. I've known children who have passed at a very young age, even young babies, right from the their mothers womb who have passed.
"Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 18:10
[SUP]"[/SUP]And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 18: 2-4
"Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 18:10
[SUP]"[/SUP]And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 18: 2-4
I think he did a good job but I don't think it's correct. I mean there have been 16 year olds who have raped and even murdered just for the sick pleasure of it and at that age you know what is right and what is wrong you are not ignorantly innocent of what your doing, I mean if you have children and say an 18 year old violated them and slaughtered them just for the pleasure of it do you think he would get a free pass into heaven because he is under the age of 20?
My little niece Kayleen is 6 years old, sure she knows the basics of what is right and wrong but she still has that sense of innocence about her especially when it comes to sin she doesn't know how severe sin is yet. But it seems to me that depending on the person there is a point in time when we cannot hide behind blissful ignorance we know what we ought not do regardless if we are saved or not.
My little niece Kayleen is 6 years old, sure she knows the basics of what is right and wrong but she still has that sense of innocence about her especially when it comes to sin she doesn't know how severe sin is yet. But it seems to me that depending on the person there is a point in time when we cannot hide behind blissful ignorance we know what we ought not do regardless if we are saved or not.
There will be no children in hell, period. Personally, I do not seek fairness from Jesus but rather desire His compassion and mercy. God is not cruel but Love. The chocolate probably tasted good though. No worry, you won't be going to hell 'cause you swiped some candy years ago. If there is any problem remaining on this issue God can charge your offence to my account. I believe that's more than fair.
Did anyone tell you that life was going to be fair?
Was it fair that God chose Jacob but didn't choose Esau?
Was it fair that God chose Abel but didn't choose Cain?
It may not seem fair to some people but it is done by God so I guess they should just get over it, or to use the biblical term humble themselves.
Was it fair that God chose Jacob but didn't choose Esau?
Was it fair that God chose Abel but didn't choose Cain?
It may not seem fair to some people but it is done by God so I guess they should just get over it, or to use the biblical term humble themselves.
Christ alone pays the ransom of our new soul (eternal damnation) .Not the parents who cannot pay for their own yet alone another soul..
The context refers to the age of those entering the kingdom of priest, not salvation. The elect are known before they see the Sun.
Under twenty, no ceremonial offering used as a shadow was required.
The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein.For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat:When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD:So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations. Exo 30:21
They added to the ceremonial law (baptism) as if it was not a shadow. They both died.Neither age requirement or money could pay for the atonement .
In the end of the mater its a picture of the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory did follow ....the veil is rent.
Aarons sons had simply performed the shadow that informes us if Christ does not wash our feet (a symbol of the gospel) we then have no part with him regardless of the the age. (So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not.)
John 13:8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
The same kind of baptism as a ceremonial law is used today to represent the new kingdom of priests.... believers of all nations and tongues.
The context refers to the age of those entering the kingdom of priest, not salvation. The elect are known before they see the Sun.
Under twenty, no ceremonial offering used as a shadow was required.
The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein.For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat:When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD:So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations. Exo 30:21
They added to the ceremonial law (baptism) as if it was not a shadow. They both died.Neither age requirement or money could pay for the atonement .
In the end of the mater its a picture of the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory did follow ....the veil is rent.
Aarons sons had simply performed the shadow that informes us if Christ does not wash our feet (a symbol of the gospel) we then have no part with him regardless of the the age. (So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not.)
John 13:8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
The same kind of baptism as a ceremonial law is used today to represent the new kingdom of priests.... believers of all nations and tongues.
Yes children of God Like Jonas will not remain in hell ,a living suffering.
Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.For thou hadst cast me into the deep,(like a bottomless pit) in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.Jon 2:1
Who gets to measure what is fair and what is not seeing God is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases?
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
God is not without mercy. Two kinds of mercy. One according to His work of faith as a three day labor of love .They will rise to new spirit life. The other no after life.
Again he is not merciless ...where one would be punished forever with a eternal suffering because he did not apply His labor of grace.
The doctrine of hell as living suffering I think could be revisited? The dead know no pain, if they were given a new spirit the former things will never be remembered or come to mind.
Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.For thou hadst cast me into the deep,(like a bottomless pit) in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.Jon 2:1
Who gets to measure what is fair and what is not seeing God is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases?
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
God is not without mercy. Two kinds of mercy. One according to His work of faith as a three day labor of love .They will rise to new spirit life. The other no after life.
Again he is not merciless ...where one would be punished forever with a eternal suffering because he did not apply His labor of grace.
The doctrine of hell as living suffering I think could be revisited? The dead know no pain, if they were given a new spirit the former things will never be remembered or come to mind.
You seem to have missed the fact that little children are incapable to understanding the Gospel and responding to the Gospel with repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. But the penalty for their sins was paid for in full by Christ. Since God is perfectly just, He has made full provision for those who CANNOT respond to the Gospel.
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Faith of a child.....kids have more faith in God then most adults.
It's the world that causes them to lose faith and forget who God really is for Jesus said their angels behold God's face.
"Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 18:10
It's the world that causes them to lose faith and forget who God really is for Jesus said their angels behold God's face.
"Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 18:10
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So you think he did a good job of showing there is an age of accountability for God. You just take issue with it being 20 and under in every instance? Gotta run. Be back tonight hopefully.
Now I don't know the exact age of accountability for the average person but I do think once your a teen you cannot hide behind ignorance
You know Ariel that is exactly what I was talking to god about when I was trying to sleep this morning. I was talking to him how I think many people mature and grow in him but abandon that child like bond with him as well. I mean people no longer see through the eyes of a child or have the heart of one, granted there are times when we need to be mature and to be strong and need to see though mature eyes but at the same time adults tend to lose that simplicity that children have.
Children don't burden themselves with extra unreasonable stress and they don't try to take on the entire world by themselves nor do they get migraines from extra heavy worry and stress and fear and they don't go through the hassle of dissecting every issue in themselves and in others. instead they have that simplicity to simply accept what Jesus pours in their hearts, they have a child like faith and leave it at that they don't have to worry if their faith is strong enough to receive divine healing they ask Jesus with a sincere heart of purity and love. Honestly I think sometimes we are the ones who are the children, we sit here on the bdf dissecting every doctrine to the point where it's just ridiculous, we attack and name call and use the scriptures to either attack others or to simply prove ourselves right, we look down on others for not accepting our own views and beliefs and I can't tell you how many times I have been told my faith was lacking because my faith was not strong enough.
All the while you have children all over the world who have this endearment with God and pray to him with such purity and love tickling his heart and doing the works of God that most of us no longer do because we have lost that simplicity and childlike faith and endearment.
Children don't burden themselves with extra unreasonable stress and they don't try to take on the entire world by themselves nor do they get migraines from extra heavy worry and stress and fear and they don't go through the hassle of dissecting every issue in themselves and in others. instead they have that simplicity to simply accept what Jesus pours in their hearts, they have a child like faith and leave it at that they don't have to worry if their faith is strong enough to receive divine healing they ask Jesus with a sincere heart of purity and love. Honestly I think sometimes we are the ones who are the children, we sit here on the bdf dissecting every doctrine to the point where it's just ridiculous, we attack and name call and use the scriptures to either attack others or to simply prove ourselves right, we look down on others for not accepting our own views and beliefs and I can't tell you how many times I have been told my faith was lacking because my faith was not strong enough.
All the while you have children all over the world who have this endearment with God and pray to him with such purity and love tickling his heart and doing the works of God that most of us no longer do because we have lost that simplicity and childlike faith and endearment.
The scriptures clearly state that all people, whether
believers with faith or not, will be judged on their works:
what they have done in their lives.
Those who have done good ...
those who have done evil ...
Thus a God of grace and righteousness would judge and deal
with children and also adults with intellectual impairments in
the most loving and merciful manner.
God is well aware of the power of the enemy to destroy, corrupt and
ruin all that is good.
As for stealers of chocolate I think they are in for a harsh penalty.
believers with faith or not, will be judged on their works:
what they have done in their lives.
Those who have done good ...
those who have done evil ...
Thus a God of grace and righteousness would judge and deal
with children and also adults with intellectual impairments in
the most loving and merciful manner.
God is well aware of the power of the enemy to destroy, corrupt and
ruin all that is good.
As for stealers of chocolate I think they are in for a harsh penalty.
Rom 12:3 [FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
I see it this way that all have a measure of faith. [/FONT]
The trouble is in our understanding, we don't know God in our understanding. "Lean not on your understanding but trust in the Lord." The fruit of the tree of knowledge is a selfish existence separated from the Love of God. Children don't have this trouble, but neither had opportunity to grow up in Love. You think you would have been better off to die as a child: afraid of the danger of growing in Love and obtain a better Resurrection. "If we suffer with Him we shall rule with Him." To reassure you: You always have the privilege to enter in as a little child. "Unless you humble yourself as a little child you will not enter the kingdom of heaven still applies to you: you still have the opportunity, no need to be jealous of children. 13 years ago the lord told me: Enter in as a little child and put away your divided spirit." this journey is to overcome the world by His influence. To enter in as little children and have the power of His Spirit. The trouble your having is related to a fear of God not based on admiration worship but from ego that is part of the sin nature. The part that can't be saved, the empty shell, the very thing you are to overcome to grow in Love. "Some will be saved but as through fire but will lose their reward." Like children who did not have opportunity to grow up in Love. I encourage you to live outside the box of understanding and trust in the Lord, to grow in His Love. There is much to be said here, there is a beginning of a study on my page if interested.