Charismatics Practice Gnosticism?

[garee]

that group you refer to is actually NAR...New Apostolic Reformation

that group makes Charismatics akin to Lilliputians vs giants

Charismatics are old school compared to NAR which is so far outside the accepted realm of actual Christianity as to be in another galaxy

in fact, a galaxy far far away

very

far

very very far

far far away

I'm really trying here. somebody work with me LOL!

Charismatics(sign gifts) two word that are not found working together to create a doctrine.(far, far away ) from walking by faith not receiving the goal of faith while in these bodies of death...

It comes from not walking by the faith of Christ as kind of faith that which alone comes from hearing prophecy .

They show themselves as having no confidence of the unseen work of the Spirit that works in a believer to both will and do the good pleasure of God. So they rather seek after a sign to give themselves the false confidence. It is just another voice of the antichrist trying to persuade men to walk after the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh to develop a false pride .

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil..Gen 3:4

Surely they did die in dying, doing the good pleasure of the voice of another. The lust of the eyes, instant gratification ( no faith)did its deceitful work . God did not want them to experience the wage of sin . He was hoping they would of rather of heard the voice of the unseen God and did what it said (believe God not seen) . Experience is not the valuator of spiritual unseen things of God .Prophecy ane is.

1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

No such thing as a sign and a wonder. Sign are for those who rebel against prophecy . the sign of those who do hear prophecy is a new heart a new desire to do the will of God as he does work in us to make it possible to believe.

 

[Dino246]

Spiritualizing is Gnostic.

This is a really basic concept: if you make an assertion, you need to substantiate that assertion. I'm surprised you haven't grasped this yet.

So now you need to substantiate two assertions: that spiritualizing is Gnostic, and that what Sheets wrote is spiritualizing in your "Gnostic" sense.

 

[Zmouth]

Revelation knowledge is from secret or hidden knowledge. That is why it needs to be REVEALED. Christians don't believe in a secret knowledge to know God but Gnostics do.

All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
Luke 10:22-23

So who revealed the Son of God to you?

 

[Musicus]

I said Charismatics parallel the Gnostics not that they claim to be Gnostics. For example, Plato taught a duality to interpretation of literature. The physical written message and then the deeper spiritual meaning or the real meaning. Here we see a Charismatic take the narrative about two Old Testament kings to not be about God dealing with ancient Israel but really about how your heart should be in prayer. These "deeper meanings" they claim to have in order to get your money from selling books and booking speaking engagements.
https://www.charismamag.com/index.php/blogs/rt-kendall/25850-the-obedience-of-gratitude

Gotcha. But deeper spiritual meanings is scriptural. (I could care less about Plato, haven't studied that garbage since the '80's)

The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 1 Cor 2:14

That's one of the joys I have in the Word, and what I believe is one reason it is alive, because of deeper (and often on a personal level) meanings. You think everything in the Bible has only one meaning, that which you read on the surface? No sir. I'm always digging for deeper spiritual meaning and wisdom, and I'm not any kind of radical Christian.

1My son, if you accept my wordsand store up my commands within you,
2turning your ear to wisdom
and applying your heart to understanding—
3indeed, if you call out for insight
and cry aloud for understanding,
4and if you look for it as for silver
and search for it as for hidden treasure,
5then you will understand the fear of the Lord
and find the knowledge of God Proverb 2 (and this predates Plato)

This is not just about worldly wisdom, but, and maybe more to the point, spiritual as well.
That article you cite is proper and fine as far as I can tell. Just about every church I've ever been to gets deep like that. Really I would be suspect of a church that didn't.

And yea, there are money grubbers and marketeers in every crowd. Most charismatic books and dvd's are legit, some just out to make a buck (and believe me, it's the Christian music industry that really takes the cake here) but to label a whole group of fellow Christians as such is not Christlike, is it?

I really don't understand your penchant for making over-generalizations and blanket statements that, while containing a grain truth, leaves a picture so inadequate as to make one just want to go to bed early, and it doesn't do credit to you or your argument. And I think that's what you were doing, looking for an argument. But that's just the way I see it.

 

[Musicus]

I said Charismatics parallel the Gnostics not that they claim to be Gnostics.

When you make a statement that one group parallels another, it's tantamount to saying they are emulating that group, that they share enough traits and characteristics to be called, for most intents and purposes, the same.

 

[preacher4truth]

What is the source of your information on "charismatics"? And what is the justification for linking the two?

It's via his special gnosis.

 

[preacher4truth]

For example, Plato taught a duality to interpretation of literature. The physical written message and then the deeper spiritual meaning or the real meaning.

Hmmm, with that standard then Jesus was gnostic when he expounded the Scriptures...when he rebuked Nicodemus for not seeing the need for regeneration via the OT Scriptures.

Your dichotomy is then faulty. The written word does have a deeper spiritual meaning to the elect. Note 1 Corinthians 2:14; 2 Corinthians 3:1-18; also the types and shadows and their meaning to us as in Hebrews, &c.

 

[Angela53510]

I started in charismatic churches, then mostly stuck to Pentecostal churches (2 different denominations) my first 15 years of being a Christian.

Other than disagreeing with soteriology (they are Arminian) and in 1 demonination eschatology, and tongues, (and no, I don’t speak in tongues any more,) there are really not any major differences. Well, sometimes they are more shallow, because they rely more on experiences, but then, I’ve met a lot of non-Charismatics who are pretty shallow, so, it happens!

The biggest issue I can see with the charismatic/Pentecostal movements, as that some people move onto Word Faith. These are people not solidly grounded in the Word of God, and it could happen to anyone, from any denomination, who doesn’t know the Word of God well. It certainly happened to friends of mine. But other friends, it did not happen to.

I don’t think you really understand gnosticism or charismatics. I think there might be a tiny bit of room to classify Word Faith people as gnostics, seeing as they think they are little gods. But polytheism aside, you are overreaching here.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Charismatics(sign gifts) two word that are not found working together to create a doctrine.(far, far away ) from walking by faith not receiving the goal of faith while in these bodies of death...

It comes from not walking by the faith of Christ as kind of faith that which alone comes from hearing prophecy .

They show themselves as having no confidence of the unseen work of the Spirit that works in a believer to both will and do the good pleasure of God. So they rather seek after a sign to give themselves the false confidence. It is just another voice of the antichrist trying to persuade men to walk after the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh to develop a false pride .

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil..Gen 3:4

Surely they did die in dying, doing the good pleasure of the voice of another. The lust of the eyes, instant gratification ( no faith)did its deceitful work . God did not want them to experience the wage of sin . He was hoping they would of rather of heard the voice of the unseen God and did what it said (believe God not seen) . Experience is not the valuator of spiritual unseen things of God .Prophecy ane is.

1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

No such thing as a sign and a wonder. Sign are for those who rebel against prophecy . the sign of those who do hear prophecy is a new heart a new desire to do the will of God as he does work in us to make it possible to believe.

sorry

I don't understand what you are saying

I don't think we are on the same page

thanks anyway

 

[DevotiontoBible]

I started in charismatic churches, then mostly stuck to Pentecostal churches (2 different denominations) my first 15 years of being a Christian.

Other than disagreeing with soteriology (they are Arminian) and in 1 demonination eschatology, and tongues, (and no, I don’t speak in tongues any more,) there are really not any major differences. Well, sometimes they are more shallow, because they rely more on experiences, but then, I’ve met a lot of non-Charismatics who are pretty shallow, so, it happens!

The biggest issue I can see with the charismatic/Pentecostal movements, as that some people move onto Word Faith. These are people not solidly grounded in the Word of God, and it could happen to anyone, from any denomination, who doesn’t know the Word of God well. It certainly happened to friends of mine. But other friends, it did not happen to.

I don’t think you really understand gnosticism or charismatics. I think there might be a tiny bit of room to classify Word Faith people as gnostics, seeing as they think they are little gods. But polytheism aside, you are overreaching here.

I provided world leaders in the Charismatic movement as support to my OP so if I reached it was making a slam dunk.