Early protest of the church. (Protestant Reformation)

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laymen

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Two key doctrines. The traditional counterparts of both doctrines, the observance of Sunday and the natural immortality of the soul, are seen as the most flagrant examples of the inroads of paganism and nonbiblical tradition in early Christianity.
The Reformation did not, as many suppose, end with Luther. It is to be continued to the close of this world’s history. Luther had a great work to do in reflecting to others the light which God had permitted to shine upon him; yet he did not receive all the light which was to be given to the world. From that time to this, new light has been continually shining upon the Scriptures, and new truths have been constantly unfolding” (GC 148, 149).

While the mainline Reformers advocated the concept of sola scriptura (the Scriptures only are the basis of doctrines), the Anabaptists realized that an element of tradition was still part of the Protestant theological system of beliefs and decided to seek a complete return to the teachings of the Bible. They rejected many forms of church tradition and doctrinal developments since the time of the apostles and sought to return to the ideals and forms of the New Testament church. Hence they advocated believer’s baptism, instead of infant baptism, and a strict separation of church and state, leading to “free” churches as contrasted with “established” (government-supported) churches.


In nineteenth-century American Protestantism the free-church branch of the Reformation was expressed in what church historians refer to as restorationism, or sometimes called primitivism. Restorationists believed that the Reformation begun in the sixteenth century had not been completed yet and that a firm return to the teachings and practices of the New Testament church was essential. They espoused a radical view of sola scriptura and held to no other creed than the Bible itself. Two of the Seventh-day Adventist founders, James White and Joseph Bates, were members of a restorationist denomination, the Christian Connexion.
 

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We still need to get away from old Traditions, Sunday being the most obvious
 

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We still need to get away from old Traditions, Sunday being the most obvious
I am with you there laymen. I take it you are SDA, right? I am most closely Church of God Seventh-Day, but we differ on some points. I have read "The Great Controversy" and I reject many things expounded there. If you want to talk more, do so.

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Interesting you have anabaptists mentioned there. That was a nick name given to churches that would baptise believers only as you say.

My own church can link to the same beliefs as some Anabaptists (altho they are not all identical in teaching.
 
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please, and I mean this in all honesty, 'why', 'why', would you want to separate yourselves
if you claim to be a 'Christian', decide to define yourself as 'man-made-description of what a 'Christian is'???

please explain to me where the division became 'non unity', and became such an
important distinction between what one relates as a real and true Christ, Loving, Christian is???

please, show us where Christ began to make a distinction of what a real Christian was according
to what they 'called themselves' as pertaining to the 'different-self-appointed 'church-names' as
they began to 'describe themselves and seemed to find a way to identity themselves for some reason???

why do so many feel the need to associate themselves with a 'sect-other name' other than
'just being a bona-fide Christian??? it appears and seems to be a dis-association with their
'brothers and sisters in our Holy Saviour's description; like a man-made-dis-association -
to us, it seems like a way for satan to separate brothers and sisters in a very popular,
and evil way...

we crave 'unity' in our Love for our Saviour and His called and chosen - do you???
 
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I think the Quakers have more appeal then the SDA.
 

Deade

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please, and I mean this in all honesty, 'why', 'why', would you want to separate yourselves
if you claim to be a 'Christian', decide to define yourself as 'man-made-description of what a 'Christian is'???
Well olethennew, I don't really label myself. It's just when I get a chance to fellowship, I need to find some group that is somewhat similar. That way I don't have to grieve so often when they preach some errors, in my view.

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please, and I mean this in all honesty, 'why', 'why', would you want to separate yourselves
if you claim to be a 'Christian', decide to define yourself as 'man-made-description of what a 'Christian is'???

please explain to me where the division became 'non unity', and became such an
important distinction between what one relates as a real and true Christ, Loving, Christian is???

please, show us where Christ began to make a distinction of what a real Christian was according
to what they 'called themselves' as pertaining to the 'different-self-appointed 'church-names' as
they began to 'describe themselves and seemed to find a way to identity themselves for some reason???

why do so many feel the need to associate themselves with a 'sect-other name' other than
'just being a bona-fide Christian??? it appears and seems to be a dis-association with their
'brothers and sisters in our Holy Saviour's description; like a man-made-dis-association -
to us, it seems like a way for satan to separate brothers and sisters in a very popular,
and evil way...

we crave 'unity' in our Love for our Saviour and His called and chosen - do you???
You can find fault with any church if you ask me because truth is Progressive . I’m not gonna stay behind and worship just like my dad did. I dont do it because it worked for him going to study for my self. I need to be in present truth. Just like th catholics became Protestant
 

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You can find fault with any church if you ask me because truth is Progressive . I’m not gonna stay behind and worship just like my dad did. I dont do it because it worked for him going to study for my self. I need to be in present truth. Just like th catholics became Protestant
Truth is Progressive???

Please cite for me an example of truth that "used to be", but is no longer truth.... I'm curious.
 

laymen

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progressive revelation — The notion that God has revealed his truth and his redemptive plan in a progression from OT to NT and that later revelation (such as the NT) builds on and adds to the truths about God that were known previously. The Lexham Glossary of the theology
 

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I had no idea that SDA think the soul is not immortal.

Thanks for that.

You're wrong, but thanks for the info.
 

laymen

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I had no idea that SDA think the soul is not immortal.

Thanks for that.

You're wrong, but thanks for the info.

anyone can say someone is wrong. If you don’t have anything constructive or prof of what you believe then it’s better to say nothing at all.
[FONT=&quot]1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


The Context of this is the resurrection [/FONT]
 

posthuman

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He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
 

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The flesh is mortal, and will be raised immortal in Him.This in fact demands the continuity of the soul, in eternal existence - just as eternal damnation makes a nihilistic view of existence equally untenable.
 

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He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
The flesh is mortal, and will be raised immortal in Him.This in fact demands the continuity of the soul, in eternal existence - just as eternal damnation makes a nihilistic view of existence equally untenable.
i only hear your opinion were is your Bible.
 

laymen

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That verse has no bearing on what u say it means
 
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Why do you sound like your jealous of the freedom we have in Christ? don't you have the same freedom? "If any man esteems a day above another, he should be fully convinced, if a man esteems every day alike he should be fully convinced also. I died wen I met Jesus: though I lived in shame for years yet understood that He is the eternal rest that I enter into and honor Him every day alike and do not hold a day of rest more important than another. If you chose to honor a day of rest above another you should also be convinced but if your going to be jealous of the freedom I have or of the freedom someone else has to hold a different day of rest than you, I am to let you be accursed with your jealousy as your punishment for spreading dictatorship in the church. But you are not spreading dictatorship, you are teaching people not to be a dictator like you, "Chose this day who you will serve," and "while it is called today, harden not your heart." "Whom the son sets free is free indeed." "Who are you to judge another man's servant, to his own Master he stands or falls."
 

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Why do you sound like your jealous of the freedom we have in Christ? don't you have the same freedom? "If any man esteems a day above another, he should be fully convinced, if a man esteems every day alike he should be fully convinced also. I died wen I met Jesus: though I lived in shame for years yet understood that He is the eternal rest that I enter into and honor Him every day alike and do not hold a day of rest more important than another. If you chose to honor a day of rest above another you should also be convinced but if your going to be jealous of the freedom I have or of the freedom someone else has to hold a different day of rest than you, I am to let you be accursed with your jealousy as your punishment for spreading dictatorship in the church. But you are not spreading dictatorship, you are teaching people not to be a dictator like you, "Chose this day who you will serve," and "while it is called today, harden not your heart." "Whom the son sets free is free indeed." "Who are you to judge another man's servant, to his own Master he stands or falls."
Na never been jealous of people who take the Bible out of context.