I already have read Angela's posts. And I didnt know about Joi. Will be praying.
I just asked you because you claimed that cancer was a blessing. And I wanted to know why.
ok. I accept what you testify to. Because of this one reason blue, or maybe two....for one thing, I care greatly for you. The second....I've stated twice now, and repeat.
I judge no one. And I know from scripture that Father, Jesus, and Holy Spirit does not judge His own. Jesus came to save us, to give us life, abundantly. Life!
How I see Him, is how I serve Him. So in speaking my faith here....which of you has judged me?
How you all see Him, is how you all will serve Him too.
Selah
EG, I don't think you have judged.
But, in this matter, we are divided.
Joanie, Ben, know1 are being judged Also.
Joanie the most. And this is wrong.
So, it is being judged, to say, “this is what the Bible says, here, and here and here.” And “This is what the Hebrew says (thank you Marc!) and “the Greek says,” and “here is what logic and common sense say.?”
And you feel judged? Well, if you want to believe a doctrine of demons, when people have shown you in a 1000 ways why you are wrong, then go for it!
Do you want to know what real judging is? It is when you are down, so down you literally can’t walk, can’t feed yourself, can’t get out of bed, and a bunch of happy, excited, know-everything Word Faith people come to your house, speak a few out of context verses (not that I knew that at the time!) and then pray for healing.
And when you are not instantly healed by their prayers, they accuse you of not having enough faith! That is not only being kicked when you are done, it is being thrown off the entire boat. Instead of physical healing, they have brought spiritual destruction into your life. They have driven a wedge between you and God, that takes years for God to repair.
I could care less about people who are so stuck in a cult, so manipulated by cult leaders, that they cannot even read what has been written here, by so many people - God heals, when it is his will, Scripture and life are clear, healing is not in the atonement.
I have been judged constantly the last few days/weeks by you Word Faith people, two of you directly telling meI don’t have faith to be healed.
Well, God didn’t heal me when I did pray and believe. I continue to ask for relief for pain, sometimes that means taking more prednisone, sometimes it spontaneously goes away a bit, and sometimes it gets worse! But, God is ALWAYS near.
How much faith does it take to be saved?
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[FONT="][/FONT]For by the grace given to me I say to every one of you not to think more highly of yourself than you ought to think, but to think with sober discernment, as God has distributed to each of you a measure of faith.” Romans 12:3[FONT="]
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God has said, he has given us the measure of faith we need. To be saved, to be healed, to walk with him, to be on mission with him, and to serve him and others. Right after this comes a gift list. Before this is about being transformed by the renewing of your mind, which is in the passive, meaning God is the one changing us.
So, God saves us, God transforms us, and God gives us the measure of faith we need.
So, why do all of you Word Faith cultists keep saying, “You don’t have enough faith to be healed?”
I have enough faith to be saved, filled with the Holy Spirit and to be totally transformed by God, but for some reason, God didn’t give me enough faith to be healed? What a lie from the devil?
This is impugning God, not me! This is saying God made a mistake, and didn’t give me enough of a measure of faith. This is a lie that WE are responsible for not only our salvation, but any kind of healings, giftings, etc!
But of course, then you all start quoting verses about how Jesus could not heal because of their “unbelief” out of context!
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And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there,54 and coming to his hometown he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, “Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?56 And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” 57 And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and in his own household.” 58 And he did not do many mighty works there, because of their unbelief.” Matt 13:53-58[FONT="]
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Please note what the people in Nazareth were doing. They did not believe in WHO Jesus was! They said he was just the carpenter’s son, and they knew the family. They thought he was a astonishing teacher, and wise, with mighty works. Yet, they did not believe he was the Son of God. Their unbelief was rejecting Jesus’s as the Messiah. In fact, in verse 57, it says, not only did they not believe in who he was, “they took offense” at him! And because of this unbelief, they were not healed.
Is there anyone following God who takes offense at Jesus, not believing he is the Son of God? No, because people like that are NOT SAVED! THAT IS THEIR UNBELIEF!
This passage in NO WAY says they needed more faith for healing. It says, they had no faith at all. God had not given them the “measure of faith” Pauls says in Romans 12:3, in fact, one more time. - THEY HAD NO FAITH AT ALL!
Do you need me to exegete the passage in Greek? I can do that, I always uncover interesting things, but the English, and I checked 4 versions, all say the same thing.
People who don’t believe in Jesus don’t usually get saved or healed. Ok, they don’t get saved or healed or anything! Unbelief means to not believe in Jesus.
So, before you play this victim card, Word Faith, healing in the atonement, and claim you are being judging for presenting an unbiblical lie (which not one of you ever refute with Scripture) - that is to judge, condemn and to hurt people who are already hurting! Further, people who believe this poorly constructed lie, and claim healing when they get cancer, and are NOT healed, like my friend Nydia, actually DIE from this horrible false doctrine.
And several people have told me they have known real people who died because instead of getting medical help, they claimed healing, on the basis of a twisted doctrine and died of cancer.
When RA hit me like a ton of bricks, the people that should have been helping me, caring for me, prayed once and turned their backs on me, then died when they did not get healed.
When I started going to a Baptist church, needed surgery, my church brought me meals for months, ladies came and changed my sheets, did my laundry. They prayed with me, and sat with me. They encouraged me, and that is what Christians need to be doing, when a member of the body of Christ gets sick.
Not kicking them when they are down, telling them they don’t have enough faith, which is a lie. God gives us all the faith we need for everything in this life.
I will continue to stand up to this ill conceived doctrine, a flash in the pan, yet it hurts people, kills people, and damages people. So, if you want to take my personal attack on the doctrine, as presented by all of you Word Faith people, I am not attacking you, but a false doctrine. I pray for all the Word Faith people on this thread, and in this forum, that God would strike these scales from their eyes, which are blinding them truth!
Pray for healing! I will pray with you! But, if you want comfort when you aren’t healed, free feel to send me a pm. I won’t tell anyone, and I have walked this road, and God has brought me safely through, and given me the ministry of reconciliation to the hurting and broken.
In my case, (looking back) it IS a blessing because my periods just took so much out of me. I had zero quality of life during that time. And future events that happened, would've been magnified if I hadn't gotten cancer. It was only after a pap smear, that they found it. I never would've known...
