How do dinosaurs fit into the Creaton story?
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Your lack of understanding is profound, and possibly
hopeless, but I'll attempt to help you on this one point.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?hs=1&q=dragon
hopeless, but I'll attempt to help you on this one point.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?hs=1&q=dragon
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Thank you for answering and sharing your view,
This is the gap theory, I know it well. I actually proposed and based my belief on this theory for years.
However, It has flaws, which I do not want to get into right now. I want to discuss my question.
again, with the evidence of dinos after the flood, Can you show point blank that in scripture any life was killed before the creation account?
if you can not, that's fine, and I will not judge you, Just remember, when you state something as fact. people will question you. Just state that you believe this or that.
This is the gap theory, I know it well. I actually proposed and based my belief on this theory for years.
However, It has flaws, which I do not want to get into right now. I want to discuss my question.
again, with the evidence of dinos after the flood, Can you show point blank that in scripture any life was killed before the creation account?
if you can not, that's fine, and I will not judge you, Just remember, when you state something as fact. people will question you. Just state that you believe this or that.
I get that not everything under the banner of evolution is about origin.
But the main thrust of the theory is very much based on origin. Its about how life as we know it now could come into being without a God to make it happen. that is the base assumptions applied when the data is studied.
If you want to attach it to your belief in God that is fine.
I can not see it anywhere in scripture.
But the main thrust of the theory is very much based on origin. Its about how life as we know it now could come into being without a God to make it happen. that is the base assumptions applied when the data is studied.
If you want to attach it to your belief in God that is fine.
I can not see it anywhere in scripture.
Well tourist, did you even read my post about old earth. Shc was pointing to before our historic period as it picks up in Genesis 1:2. Satan was in charge of the government of God [prophetic mountain] and he messed up the earth and killed off all life.
Third Paragraph - Old Earth
"The earth became desolate through gross mismanagement. God had obviously given Satan charge over all the earth, but the devil's rebellious ways brought about a major catastrophe that made an absolute mess of the planet. God then re-created the world and removed Satan from his rulership and placed man in his stead."
There are layers because there was a global flood.
Sorting out into layers requires deep water.
The global size of the sediment layers in the continent of the earth is the proof of a global flood of deep waters.
That there is complexity points to the varied catastrophic events that occurred during the flood of Noah.
It isn’t difficult to understand, you see the global flood evidence all around you.
But, in the background you hear mantra like propoganda nonsense statements, like, billions and millions of years, nature evolved into new creatures, lands of dinosaurs, cave men, dumb brutes, etc...
Its all noise.
There never was a land of dinosaurs, most dino is stuff is cartoon land children’s stories.
Don’t believe me? go look for yourself and come back with something that isn’t cartoonish.
Man made monsters by manipulating the creatures instincts and their DNA.
Man starved creatures to make them eat flesh.
Man corrupted all flesh which is why God had to intervene to save mankind.
Man slaughtered the line of Seth, and everyone that believed Noah’s preaching.
Man made animals wild.
Cain is the cave man, the wild man of the woods, the hunter of souls.
Man corrupted his own way, became violent, bloodthirsty and corrupted in his DNA.
The pagan, heathen scientists are just telling silly stories trying to hide the simple, straightforward truth of mankind’s history on earth. The history of creation by God and the history of God saving mankind from corrupt flesh, by genealogy leading to the second Adam, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
But, catch your breath readers, step back and look....behold... there exists no heathen history, no pagan history, there is only the history of Adam, unto Seth, unto Noah, unto Abraham, Isaac And Jacob, the twelve tribes, Judah, to David, to Jesus Christ.
Look around, there’s no history of a mankind that couldn’t read, write and speak fluently.
No other history of nations.
No other history of languages.
Just Holy Bible history of mankind exists.
The heathen know nothing important.
Just turn off the government financed, naturalistic, humanistic, darwinian propoganda then you'll discover that none of that junk matters. Go back to knowing God created all things and it won’t be long and Jesus will return as promised.
Babel, the world of pagans, simply babbles on and in, you’re not supposed to take it seriously. The ancient world came to Christ first chance it got. Why? Because the ancients knew they’d been lied to.
Sorting out into layers requires deep water.
The global size of the sediment layers in the continent of the earth is the proof of a global flood of deep waters.
That there is complexity points to the varied catastrophic events that occurred during the flood of Noah.
It isn’t difficult to understand, you see the global flood evidence all around you.
But, in the background you hear mantra like propoganda nonsense statements, like, billions and millions of years, nature evolved into new creatures, lands of dinosaurs, cave men, dumb brutes, etc...
Its all noise.
There never was a land of dinosaurs, most dino is stuff is cartoon land children’s stories.
Don’t believe me? go look for yourself and come back with something that isn’t cartoonish.
Man made monsters by manipulating the creatures instincts and their DNA.
Man starved creatures to make them eat flesh.
Man corrupted all flesh which is why God had to intervene to save mankind.
Man slaughtered the line of Seth, and everyone that believed Noah’s preaching.
Man made animals wild.
Cain is the cave man, the wild man of the woods, the hunter of souls.
Man corrupted his own way, became violent, bloodthirsty and corrupted in his DNA.
The pagan, heathen scientists are just telling silly stories trying to hide the simple, straightforward truth of mankind’s history on earth. The history of creation by God and the history of God saving mankind from corrupt flesh, by genealogy leading to the second Adam, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
But, catch your breath readers, step back and look....behold... there exists no heathen history, no pagan history, there is only the history of Adam, unto Seth, unto Noah, unto Abraham, Isaac And Jacob, the twelve tribes, Judah, to David, to Jesus Christ.
Look around, there’s no history of a mankind that couldn’t read, write and speak fluently.
No other history of nations.
No other history of languages.
Just Holy Bible history of mankind exists.
The heathen know nothing important.
Just turn off the government financed, naturalistic, humanistic, darwinian propoganda then you'll discover that none of that junk matters. Go back to knowing God created all things and it won’t be long and Jesus will return as promised.
Babel, the world of pagans, simply babbles on and in, you’re not supposed to take it seriously. The ancient world came to Christ first chance it got. Why? Because the ancients knew they’d been lied to.
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as far as it has ever been taught to me by any biologist, by any educational system, from any book or journal or research paper, evolution has nothing to do with origin of life. Darwin's book was called origin on species not of life -- it's about his hypothesis of speciation, not genesis.
however as far as almost all 'religious' discussion about it i have ever heard, people immediately associate it with origin, and commonly never separate it from origin at all. the great majority of all the talk about it from any pulpit and on any Christian message board assumes immediately that it's about lightning striking a pile of muck and frogs popping out. we wrongly equivocate 'evolution' with 'abiogenesis' and then attack 'abiogenesis' and declare that we've disproved evolution by doing so, and wonder why all the 'brains' in the actual business of science are so stupid, when we've demolished everything with just 12 minutes of you-tube searching??
well, because we make a fundamental error.
evolution is not an origin theory. it is not interchangeable with the word 'abiogenesis'
one is about how gradual changes in populations may lead to similar creatures with different characteristics, and how those differences may widen over long stretches of time and many many generations.
the other is about how life itself began in the first place. where the populations came from originally.
totally separate things, just like 'how to tie your shoelaces' is not at all the same as 'where to buy shoelaces' or 'how to manufacture shoelaces' ! you can't declare that i've tied my shoelaces wrong by proving that you can't make shoelaces out of mashed potatoes!!
If you believe in the "Gap Theory" as I do, you have some limited information that dinosaurs did exist before "Adam."
The phrase, "And the Earth was without form, and void," points to a stupendous convulsion which affected the Earth after it was created by God.
"Without form, and void," in the Hebrew is literally, "tohu" and "bohu," which signify, "wasteness and emptiness." God did not create the Earth in this fashion. It became that way at a point in time. Many Scholars believe that Lucifer ruled the Earth after it was originally created, and did so for an undetermined period of time. As well, during that time, he ruled it in Righteousness and Holiness under God. It also seems there was a race of created beings over whom he ruled. Whenever Lucifer led his rebellion against God, one-third of the Angels, plus this race of beings threw in their lot with him. Many think, and it is probably correct, that these particular beings, whatever they might have been, are the demon spirits which presently help Satan.
Some have claimed that demon spirits are fallen angels; however, angels have spirit-bodies, whereas demon spirits have no body whatsoever, and in fact, seek s body to inhabit, whether animal or human.
I think it should be obvious that whatever degree this revolution of Lucifer was, its destructive power was beyond comprehension. Genesis 2:1
JSM Bible commentary
"Without form, and void," in the Hebrew is literally, "tohu" and "bohu," which signify, "wasteness and emptiness." God did not create the Earth in this fashion. It became that way at a point in time. Many Scholars believe that Lucifer ruled the Earth after it was originally created, and did so for an undetermined period of time. As well, during that time, he ruled it in Righteousness and Holiness under God. It also seems there was a race of created beings over whom he ruled. Whenever Lucifer led his rebellion against God, one-third of the Angels, plus this race of beings threw in their lot with him. Many think, and it is probably correct, that these particular beings, whatever they might have been, are the demon spirits which presently help Satan.
Some have claimed that demon spirits are fallen angels; however, angels have spirit-bodies, whereas demon spirits have no body whatsoever, and in fact, seek s body to inhabit, whether animal or human.
I think it should be obvious that whatever degree this revolution of Lucifer was, its destructive power was beyond comprehension. Genesis 2:1
JSM Bible commentary
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So, when a Christian is believing in the Big Bang or evolution, he is in the wrong camp, because you do not believe so, right?
Who are "the" scientists? Some specific camp?
Who are "the" scientists? Some specific camp?
As for "the" scientists? Stephen Hawking comes to mind.
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Oh, come on now! That is one of the dumber statements I've seen.
Really? Don't count pictures? Do you understand the concept of "prehistoric?"
History is the trail of written evidence man has accumulated from previous generations. And what do we usually write on? Whether animal skins, swap weeds or wood pulp, all those things degrade over the years. And yet, that is our history.
Prehistoric is what happened before those pages were ever written. It doesn't mean before people. It means before people wrote on degradable stuff. So what is left of prehistoric? The hieroglyphs of different cutlers. The Rosetta Stone. Wall paintings. Stuff men carved on rocks! The pages didn't last, and yet history did last. Evidence of what happened before those old tattered manuscripts we keep today. And on them?
Well, Waffle just showed you pictures of man with dinosaurs. I've seen a picture of a man next to a dinosaur in a cave in France. (Unless you want to call that animal a dragon. But what is a dragon, but a dinosaur?) I've seen a picture of human footprints right next to a dinosaur's foot print when I was young. I can even tell the dinosaur walked by first.
Prehistoric -- records that aren't kept anyway except by pictures/illustrations.
The proof is out there. You just have to look.
Really? Don't count pictures? Do you understand the concept of "prehistoric?"
History is the trail of written evidence man has accumulated from previous generations. And what do we usually write on? Whether animal skins, swap weeds or wood pulp, all those things degrade over the years. And yet, that is our history.
Prehistoric is what happened before those pages were ever written. It doesn't mean before people. It means before people wrote on degradable stuff. So what is left of prehistoric? The hieroglyphs of different cutlers. The Rosetta Stone. Wall paintings. Stuff men carved on rocks! The pages didn't last, and yet history did last. Evidence of what happened before those old tattered manuscripts we keep today. And on them?
Well, Waffle just showed you pictures of man with dinosaurs. I've seen a picture of a man next to a dinosaur in a cave in France. (Unless you want to call that animal a dragon. But what is a dragon, but a dinosaur?) I've seen a picture of human footprints right next to a dinosaur's foot print when I was young. I can even tell the dinosaur walked by first.
Prehistoric -- records that aren't kept anyway except by pictures/illustrations.
The proof is out there. You just have to look.
These are fakes.
Not every painting or writing is a historical proof.
Is a hollywood movie about harry potter a proof for some civilization in 10 000 AD who will discover some DVD from our times that it was real?
People created many fantasies all the times, even ancient people were writing and painting fantasies Remember Greek legends of various kinds?
Not every painting or writing is a historical proof.
Is a hollywood movie about harry potter a proof for some civilization in 10 000 AD who will discover some DVD from our times that it was real?
People created many fantasies all the times, even ancient people were writing and painting fantasies
Remember Greek legends of various kinds?