Sunday is catholic tradition.

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TMS

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I know the debate about Saturday and Sunday has been covered before but i'd like you to see what the Catholic Church says.
Read all of these statements and think seriously about what is truth.

1. The Catholic Church claims responsibility for the change from seventh-day to first-day Sabbath. Here is an explanation from
The Catechism of the Catholic Church Section 2 Article 3 (1994): (<Source provided)

"Sunday – fulfillment of the Sabbath. Sunday is expressly distinguished from the Sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the Sabbath...

The Sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ...

In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church’s holy days as legal holidays."

Keep reading there are more quotes to come.
 

TMS

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And here are various Catholic sources claiming the change was the doing of the Roman Catholic Church:

Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108:

"But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify."


The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine
(1957): 50:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why Do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.


Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated February 10, 1920:

"If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic Church."


Stephen Keenan, Catholic—Doctrinal Catechism 3rd Edition: 174:
Question: Have you any other way of proving the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the 7th day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."
 
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Nice topic.

Here is an interesting short video of confessions from the RCC on the origins of the tradition of Sunday worship


[video=youtube;CrB21mc2fmI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrB21mc2fmI[/video]
 

TMS

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Our Sunday Visitor (February 5, 1950):

"Practically everything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received from the Catholic Church... The Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in accepting the Bible and observing the Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope."

Louis Gaston Segur, Plain Talk about the Protestantism of To-Day (London: Thomas Richardson and Son, 1874): 213:
"Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is a homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) Church."

The Catholic Mirror (September 23, 1893):
"The Catholic Church, for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday...
The Adventists are the only body of Christians with the Bible as their teacher, who can find no warrant in its pages for the change of day from the seventh to the first. Hence their appellation, "Seventh-day Adventists."

Catholic Priest T. Enright, CSSR, Kansas City, MO:
"It was the holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday, the 1st day of the week. And it not only compelled all to keep Sunday, but at the Council of Laodicea, AD 364, anathematized those who kept the Sabbath and urged all persons to labor on the 7th day under penalty of anathema."

Catholic Priest T. Enright, CSSR, lecture at Hartford, KS, Feb 18, 1884:
"I have repeatedly offered $1000 to any one who can furnish any proof from the Bible that Sunday is the day we are bound to keep...The Bible says, “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy,” but the Catholic Church says, “No, keep the first day of the week,” and the whole world bows in obedience."

Cardinal John Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine (London: Basil Montague Pickering, 1878): 373:
"The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons…are all of pagan origin and sanctified by their adoption into the Church."

Catholic Record (September 1, 1923):
"The [catholic] Church is above the Bible, and this transference of the Sabbath observance is proof of that fact."

Pope Leo XIII, Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae (The Reunion of Christendom), June 20, 1894: 

"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty."
 

TMS

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“Pope,” Ferraris’ Ecclesiastic Dictionary:
"The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God."

Our Sunday Visitor (April 18, 1915): 3:
"The letters inscribed in the Pope’s miter are these: VICARIUS FILLII DEI, which is the Latin for, “Vicar of the Son of God.”

Letter from C.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons on October 28, 1895:
"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act…And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters."

American Catholic Quarterly Review (January 1883):
"Sunday...is purely a creation of the Catholic Church."

Catholic American Sentinel (June 1893):
"Sunday...It is a law of the Catholic Church alone..."

S.C. Mosna, Storia della Domenica (1969): 366-367:
"Not the Creator of the Universe in Genesis 2:1-3, but the Catholic Church “can claim the honor of having granted man a pause to his work every seven days.”

“The Question Box,” The Catholic Universe Bulletin (August 14, 1942): 4:
"The (Catholic) Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her Founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter, the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant."

Arthur Weigall, The Paganism in Our Christianity (New York: Putnam’s Sons, 1928): 145:
"The Church made a sacred day of Sunday…largely because it was the weekly festival of the sun; for it was a definite Christian policy to take over the pagan festivals endeared to the people by tradition, and to give them a Christian significance."

John A. O'Brien, The Faith of Millions: the Credentials of the Catholic Religion Revised Edition (Our Sunday Visitor Publishing, 1974): 400-401:
"But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics, who claim to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon and explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away—like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair."

This change from Saturday to Sunday Sabbath was prophesied about in Daniel 7. The great reformer Philipp Melanchton knew this truth five centuries ago. He wrote this:
"He changeth the tymes and lawes that any of the sixe worke dayes commanded of God will make them unholy and idle dayes when he lyste, or of their owne holy dayes abolished make worke dayes agen, or when they changed ye Saterday into Sondaye...They have changed God’s lawes and turned them into their owne tradicions to be kept above God’s precepts."
 

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After reading the posts above that i posted can you still believe that Sunday is inspired by God or man. Sun worship baptized into the church.
 

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IMHO, the claims and assertions of the Catholic church have little or nothing to do with the fact that most Christians worship on Sunday in 2018. In the same way, whatever practices that Catholics share with Christians don't come to us from the Catholic church, but directly from Scripture.

The first reason, based in Scripture, is that the early Christians often gathered on "the Lord's day" which is the equivalent of Sunday.

The second reason is that via church tradition, Sunday was considered the Sabbath (incorrectly) and became a standard day off work. Now most business happens between Monday and Friday and Sunday is not considered a "business day". Therefore it is convenient for most people to gather on a Sunday.

Given that worship on Sunday is nowhere proscribed in Scripture, I don't see the need to make an issue of it. Worship on whatever day works for you. Worship every day.
 
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IMHO, the claims and assertions of the Catholic church have little or nothing to do with the fact that most Christians worship on Sunday in 2018. In the same way, whatever practices that Catholics share with Christians don't come to us from the Catholic church, but directly from Scripture.

The first reason, based in Scripture, is that the early Christians often gathered on "the Lord's day" which is the equivalent of Sunday.

The second reason is that via church tradition, Sunday was considered the Sabbath (incorrectly) and became a standard day off work. Now most business happens between Monday and Friday and Sunday is not considered a "business day". Therefore it is convenient for most people to gather on a Sunday.

Given that worship on Sunday is nowhere proscribed in Scripture, I don't see the need to make an issue of it. Worship on whatever day works for you. Worship every day.

most people have BOTH Sat and Sunday off work unless they work retail, hospital, police, etc.

i believe folks should worship God EVERY DAY of the week and gather together for prayer and study as much as God gives them a chance to meet with fellow believers.

personally God has blessed me to fellowship and pray with folks daily and I hope He continues to allow it.
 

Locutus

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Why don't you cite your copy and paste - 7th day Adventist's?
 

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In the real world what can we do about it? I am all for having The Sabbath on the correct day, I would even go so far as to call the days of the week by their Hebrew names rather than the Pagan gods we have named them for. BUT we still have to function in the real world don't we? If I start referring to Friday as Yom Shishi at work or at the bank no one is going to know what I'm talking about.

The Sabbath is meant to be a day of rest. Don't most of us in effect treat Sunday as the 7th day? We even call it the weekEND.
Then we start working again on Monday (unless we do shift work) Most people fortunate enough to have a Mon-Fri job are so busy on Saturdays doing all the things they couldn't do during the week (like cleaning & food shopping) it could hardly be called a day of rest.

My point is we are at the moment, confined to the modern world. Church meetings run on Sundays. Unless we all convert to Seventh Day Adventists or Judaism we are pretty much stuck with Sunday being the last day of the week. (even though we call it the first.) I don't sense Jesus calling us all to be Amish. Some people have to work weekends and shifts to keep things like hospitals running.

So in the real world what can we do? Someday The King will return and set things up the right way. Right now we have to get on with life and I don't think it's a sin to worship him on a Sunday. I mean Yom Rishon ;)
 

Locutus

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Not one SDA ever kept the sabbath according to the Law.
 

TMS

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We should worship God every day of the week, but only Saturday was sanctified and made Holy.
Please prove from scripture that the Lords day is Sunday.
Mat_12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. Mar_2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Luk_6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (Notice that Jesus didn't speak of another day)Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (It remains if you are "the people of God").
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. (God is the example at creation).
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (That rest is clearly the Sabbath).
 
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the Lord's day is not the same as the Sabbath. it refers to WHEN Jesus rose from the Tomb, which was the FIRST day of the week: Sunday.

the gathering of people on Sunday is based off this verse in memory of Jesus Resurrection, NOT in keeping a NEW Sabbath day:

Acts 20:7: "Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.


 

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In the real world what can we do about it? I am all for having The Sabbath on the correct day, I would even go so far as to call the days of the week by their Hebrew names rather than the Pagan gods we have named them for. BUT we still have to function in the real world don't we? If I start referring to Friday as Yom Shishi at work or at the bank no one is going to know what I'm talking about.

The Sabbath is meant to be a day of rest. Don't most of us in effect treat Sunday as the 7th day? We even call it the weekEND.
Then we start working again on Monday (unless we do shift work) Most people fortunate enough to have a Mon-Fri job are so busy on Saturdays doing all the things they couldn't do during the week (like cleaning & food shopping) it could hardly be called a day of rest.

My point is we are at the moment, confined to the modern world. Church meetings run on Sundays. Unless we all convert to Seventh Day Adventists or Judaism we are pretty much stuck with Sunday being the last day of the week. (even though we call it the first.) I don't sense Jesus calling us all to be Amish. Some people have to work weekends and shifts to keep things like hospitals running.

So in the real world what can we do? Someday The King will return and set things up the right way. Right now we have to get on with life and I don't think it's a sin to worship him on a Sunday. I mean Yom Rishon ;)
I can see where you are coming from and i believe Gods grace is far stronger than all our faults. The Jews were keeping the Sabbath for the wrong reasons and had attached hundreds of laws to the 4th commandment that was not from God. They were keeping the law to be saved rather than keeping it because of faith in their saving God, Love for God. My aim is to call sin by it's right name. We all sin and fall short but that does not mean we just continue to sin.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Many argue it is not sin to ignore the Sabbath. The Law plainly states that we should Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy.
2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 

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After reading the posts above that i posted can you still believe that Sunday is inspired by God or man. Sun worship baptized into the church.
It is evident that Sunday worship was man's idea. Regardless, any day of the week is an acceptable day of the week to set aside exclusively for worship. There are those that worship God every day of the week. It is clear to me that the transfer of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday was not inspired by God or supported by scripture. God did say in the Ten Commandments that were written on stone with His finger to remember to keep holy the Sabbath. I don't recall anywhere in scripture where God changed His mind, took a chisel and crossed this one off the list.
 

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the Lord's day is not the same as the Sabbath. it refers to WHEN Jesus rose from the Tomb, which was the FIRST day of the week: Sunday.

the gathering of people on Sunday is based off this verse in memory of Jesus Resurrection, NOT in keeping a NEW Sabbath day:

Acts 20:7: "Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.


Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act_13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Act_15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Act_16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
 
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I can see where you are coming from and i believe Gods grace is far stronger than all our faults. The Jews were keeping the Sabbath for the wrong reasons and had attached hundreds of laws to the 4th commandment that was not from God. They were keeping the law to be saved rather than keeping it because of faith in their saving God, Love for God. My aim is to call sin by it's right name. We all sin and fall short but that does not mean we just continue to sin.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Many argue it is not sin to ignore the Sabbath. The Law plainly states that we should Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy.
2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

what exactly do you do or don't do on the Sabbath that you should or shouldn't do every day?
 

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John the Baptist prophesied about Jesus baptizing with the Holy
Sprit and with fire; this happened for the first time at Pentecost,
which was a Sunday: the beginning of the early Christian church.​
 

Locutus

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The sabbath was only applicable to Israel and converts from the nations - if the council in Jerusalem debating about whether the Law of Moses was to be followed by Christians they would have stated they need to keep the sabbath in the letter:

Acts 15:19 “Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,

Acts 15:20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.. (NO MENTION OF SABBATH)

Acts 15:23 and they [fn]sent this letter by them, “The apostles and the brethren who are elders, to the brethren in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia who are from the Gentiles, greetings.

Acts 15:24 “Since we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls,
 

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John the Baptist prophesied about Jesus baptizing with the Holy
Sprit and with fire; this happened for the first time at Pentecost,
which was a Sunday: the beginning of the early Christian church.​
Had you called it "the first day of the week" (or "the morrow after the sabbath") all the Sabbatarians would have had to retire. That was also the day of the resurrection of Christ -- "the firstfruits of them that slept". As I have said some time back, the Lord's Day is the Christian sabbath. Just because the RCC and EOC churches also hold to this view does not make it false. And just because the world calls it "Sunday" does not mean that for Christians it is not the Lord's Day. They worship the Son, not the sun.