HEBREWS 10:12 Perfected forever IN Christ
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[for me anyway] Yes indeed those that are actually sanctified are perfected (in the state of full age, brought to maturity) for ever: but those that are actually set apart for God's purpose are they that have put to death the corrupt nature with its affections and lusts by having denied their own will, and repent and own their sins, and submit to and rely upon the Word of God, knowing that there is of a certainty a cost to count, and do not presume that nothing is required of them by the Lord.
Such a matter as sanctification in Christ is truly glorious, when we truly do know the true and biblical Jesus Christ, and not another Jesus of ones own making, thereby being deceived into think they are sanctified.
Such a matter as sanctification in Christ is truly glorious, when we truly do know the true and biblical Jesus Christ, and not another Jesus of ones own making, thereby being deceived into think they are sanctified.
U
Thank you for the link and I especially appreciated this one man's response.
Let me say this, based on your theology of the completed work of Christ
being dependent on our confession of sin:
a) you have very man centered view of earning righteousness - he did not "Finish it" at the cross and He must still remember our sins
b) I would hate to have your theology if in the last moments of a breath, a person used the Lord's name in vain due to pain or had failed to ask for forgiveness or repent from overeating or having not given someone the shirt from his back when the other needed it... no repentance, no forgiveness... and then how does one enter into His presence with unforgiven sin. And far beyond those two simple observations, are that you haven't developed a sense of the gravity of His person, His works, His death.
You are man centered in your development from man's eyes outward. Need to come from the opposite view, or, find yourself in the company of every other religion out there and not the euangelion.
Find a priest or someone to effectuate forgiveness for you after you pass, then of course, you have a real issue theologically.
Sometimes, because we have a hard time with another theological persuasion, we get trapped.
Theological systems are by men for men.
Reading, receiving and thinking without a system...better off. Been there, done that.
Steve Farris
A Thorough Refutation of the False-Grace Heresy of Joseph Prince Part 1 | Cornerstone World Outreach
Let me say this, based on your theology of the completed work of Christ
being dependent on our confession of sin:
a) you have very man centered view of earning righteousness - he did not "Finish it" at the cross and He must still remember our sins
b) I would hate to have your theology if in the last moments of a breath, a person used the Lord's name in vain due to pain or had failed to ask for forgiveness or repent from overeating or having not given someone the shirt from his back when the other needed it... no repentance, no forgiveness... and then how does one enter into His presence with unforgiven sin. And far beyond those two simple observations, are that you haven't developed a sense of the gravity of His person, His works, His death.
You are man centered in your development from man's eyes outward. Need to come from the opposite view, or, find yourself in the company of every other religion out there and not the euangelion.
Find a priest or someone to effectuate forgiveness for you after you pass, then of course, you have a real issue theologically.
Sometimes, because we have a hard time with another theological persuasion, we get trapped.
Theological systems are by men for men.
Reading, receiving and thinking without a system...better off. Been there, done that.
Steve Farris
A Thorough Refutation of the False-Grace Heresy of Joseph Prince Part 1 | Cornerstone World Outreach
And because JM persists even after receiving loads of negative feedback, it should be clear by now that she is here to SABOTAGE the truth of God and promote man-made lies. So it would be fair to call her a saboteur. I and others have reported her efforts but so far there has been no action from the administration.
That would take too much effort, and would not be as much fun as provoking others.
That would take too much effort, and would not be as much fun as provoking others.
Well do you see a problem with this?
JOSEPH PRINCE
So instead of being conscious of your sins, which is to have an evil conscience (Hebrews 10:22), you can have a perfect conscience, a conscience that is free from the guilt and condemnation of sins.
THE WORD OF GOD
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1. First of all JP assumes that all of his readers are saved. So he does not qualify his words with "If your have been saved by grace and are a child of God then...".
2. Secondly, he speaks only about justification and imputed righteousness and the remission of sins at the point of conversion. He seeks to prevent his readers from dealing with their PRESENT sins, even though the Bible reminds believers again and again that they can and will sin.
3. He DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS the Word of God as shown above. How can you have a"perfect conscience" when you have not confessed your present sins and dealt with them as instructed in 1 John?
In spite of all these errors, you have to ask what the problem is?
JOSEPH PRINCE
So instead of being conscious of your sins, which is to have an evil conscience (Hebrews 10:22), you can have a perfect conscience, a conscience that is free from the guilt and condemnation of sins.
THE WORD OF GOD
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1. First of all JP assumes that all of his readers are saved. So he does not qualify his words with "If your have been saved by grace and are a child of God then...".
2. Secondly, he speaks only about justification and imputed righteousness and the remission of sins at the point of conversion. He seeks to prevent his readers from dealing with their PRESENT sins, even though the Bible reminds believers again and again that they can and will sin.
3. He DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS the Word of God as shown above. How can you have a"perfect conscience" when you have not confessed your present sins and dealt with them as instructed in 1 John?
In spite of all these errors, you have to ask what the problem is?
U
Which is the greater heresy Joseph Prince or Sabbath Keeping (SDA) for salvation
To declare she is engaged in some clandestine subversive activity (saboteur) is make judgement on her motives, how exactly do we make judgement on a persons motive then on a discussion board...better yet, are we called as believers to examine the motives of others
To declare she is engaged in some clandestine subversive activity (saboteur) is make judgement on her motives, how exactly do we make judgement on a persons motive then on a discussion board...better yet, are we called as believers to examine the motives of others
Which is the greater heresy Joseph Prince or Sabbath Keeping (SDA) for salvation
To declare she is engaged in some clandestine subversive activity (saboteur) is make judgement on her motives, how exactly do we make judgement on a persons motive then on a discussion board...better yet, are we called as believers to examine the motives of others
U
The banter back and forth on the more contentious threads, if one reads with an unbiased eye, has more to do with the
psychology of human behaviour ( ie. perception, internal bias, influence, motivation, mood, transference, fight or flight etc., and on
and on) than contending for the faith
Sometimes it seems Church-ianity is a place where the flesh reigns and love is diminished
and the cover used is a sound systematic doctrine which none of us has completely.
If you feel labels are necessary then that is your choice.
Historically speaking, labels have been used to marginalize and sometimes even dehumanize people, yet God loves beyond measure,
because I do believe God so loved the world..... and love your enemies.
psychology of human behaviour ( ie. perception, internal bias, influence, motivation, mood, transference, fight or flight etc., and on
and on) than contending for the faith
Sometimes it seems Church-ianity is a place where the flesh reigns and love is diminished
and the cover used is a sound systematic doctrine which none of us has completely.
If you feel labels are necessary then that is your choice.
Historically speaking, labels have been used to marginalize and sometimes even dehumanize people, yet God loves beyond measure,
because I do believe God so loved the world..... and love your enemies.
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Hi UnderGrace., you write such good posts. I agree with you quite often. We don't agree on some things you and I., but we agree on most things. We are sisters in Jesus., born again Christians., and we each have agreed to disagree in the areas where we don't see certain Bible verses exactly the same.
I don't even think we said this to each other "officially" I think it's just based on the love we each have from Jesus in our individual lives before we met here on CC. It's just how we deal with all people. It is ok for people to disagree with us because it's the Holy Spirit who leads into all truth. Not our arguing techniques .
I've noticed too and agree with you how labels seem to give people the idea that it allows them a right to dismiss and as you said., even dehumanize people. The world does this all the time. A person need only disagree with the status quo of the main stream media here in America and it's open season on all who see politics differently. If we conservatives here in NY don't agree for instance President Trump is a racist., we are called racists too.
It should not be that way here IMO. We Christians here on these forums mostly agree on the majors., and in the minors we are surely given room to grow. At least that is the truth for some. I'm thankful Jesus is not so hard and harsh as some brothers and sisters in the church. I've posted a statement of faith already. Only to have it dismissed and reasoned away that it's not worth the paper it's written on..
Good Grief Charlie Brown! I just wanted to say it's AOK for Christians to see things differently despite those who say other wise. It's ok to like one preacher and not like another. It is OK to love and appreciate Billy Graham for instance even when others don't like him. I'm still going to disagree with those who don't like Billy. Doesn't matter to me who doesn't like Billy Graham because I love and appreciate him and his family and have for years.
And I say the same thing about the other preachers and teachers I share here who uplift me in the faith because there are many whom I love and enjoy so much. I'll keep on posting as I've always done. Not because I want to argue but because we Christians are able to read who we like and not read who we don't like.
So I just wanted to give those who don't like my taste in Christian preachers a heads up. I suggest those individuals ignore my threads and start their own. And I exercise my freedom in Christ to not read sermons or devotionals by Christians I'm not particularly in agreement with too. Also., an old saying is also true although it is not necessarily a Bible verse per say ... If we have nothing nice to say... don't say anything at all.
Speaking the truth in love is always welcome.
