Ceremonial laws?

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Why?

What purpose do they serve.?

How do we recognize one is in view?

Are they parables as shadows that hide the spiritual understanding?

Do they announce the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand?
 

Chester

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Ceremonial laws? ? ?

What do you mean? What laws are these?

I could assume I know what you mean, but I don't really know . . . Is there a Scripture that says what part of the law is the "ceremonial" law?
 

p_rehbein

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Just an additional thought of my own........sooooooo

Moral Laws transferred over from the 1st Covenant to the New Covenant, and Ceremonial Laws were fulfilled. I say that because there are more than a few folks who do not believe the Ten Commandments transferred over......

IF one does not believe they transferred over, then one has a real problem explaining Romans, Chapter 1 which is all about Moral Laws........

(just saying)

:)
 

Chester

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Ceremonial laws? ? ?

What do you mean? What laws are these?

I could assume I know what you mean, but I don't really know . . . Is there a Scripture that says what part of the law is the "ceremonial" law?
My understanding of the OT law is that the law is one unit: the divisions of moral, ceremonial, and civil are divisions not given in Scripture.

The NT says that all of the law was fulfilled. Fulfilled does not mean destroyed or abolished. Instead those laws were the means to bring man to the NT and to show us our need of Christ, the Redeemer.
 

Chester

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Just an additional thought of my own........sooooooo

Moral Laws transferred over from the 1st Covenant to the New Covenant, and Ceremonial Laws were fulfilled. I say that because there are more than a few folks who do not believe the Ten Commandments transferred over......

IF one does not believe they transferred over, then one has a real problem explaining Romans, Chapter 1 which is all about Moral Laws........

(just saying)

:)
I do not believe the "Ten Commandments" as such are transferred over as "thou shalt nots" for the Christian.

The moral principles behind the ten commandments are definietely in effect today. In fact Jesus, took the 10 commands to a deeper level.
 

Grandpa

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Just an additional thought of my own........sooooooo

Moral Laws transferred over from the 1st Covenant to the New Covenant, and Ceremonial Laws were fulfilled. I say that because there are more than a few folks who do not believe the Ten Commandments transferred over......

IF one does not believe they transferred over, then one has a real problem explaining Romans, Chapter 1 which is all about Moral Laws........

(just saying)

:)
Transferred over???

Perhaps read some scripture that speaks DIRECTLY to this issue.

2 Corinthians 3:7-9
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: [SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? [SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

The ministration of death and condemnation does not "transfer over" into the New Testament. The ministration of Spirit and Righteousness is a much better ministration.

But if you try to have one leg in either testament you end up trying to mix death and condemnation with Life and Righteousness. They don't really mix.


 
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One source to read:

The Two Laws - Ten Commandments and Ceremonial Law


As well, Leviticus 19 lists the ceremonial laws as I understand it. I also believe the ceremonial laws are also considered the laws of Moses......but, now, that is just how I understand it......sooooo
Excellent article .I would think it would be a requirement for a new believer to study.

The ceremonial law, the anti type used as a aparable symbolized Jesus’ ministry, the true type .


(From the article offered )The sanctuary with furniture....
The earthly Old Testament sanctuary, and the entire ministry associated with it, reflects the ministry of Christ on our behalf. It is also a miniature enactment of the much greater ministry of Christ in the heavenly sanctuary, of which the earthly sanctuary was merely “a figure/parable for the time then present” (Hebrews 9:9). The earthly was a copy of the heavenly.
Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle (Hebrews 8:5).
You could say the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand in regard to the grace of God and the glory that did follow'. The graves were opened (first resurrection.)

The ceremonial laws governed ceremonies and not moral law that governs the moral of the whole world. (no judging in respect to shadows)They helped strengthen the old testament believer who had the Holy Spirit in them, just as we look back to the same, no difference, for the same encouragement .
 
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I do not believe the "Ten Commandments" as such are transferred over as "thou shalt nots" for the Christian.

The moral principles behind the ten commandments are definietely in effect today. In fact Jesus, took the 10 commands to a deeper level.
Yes. Deeper as in providing a spiritual understanding hid from natural man as a ceremonial law used to govern ceremonies not to govern the moral outside of the ceremonies.

God does not use parables to explain moral laws. I think he knew beforehand that men would make a shadow into a works righteousness law. It is why we are given two different examples or reasons in two separate parables of entering his rest when we do believe.

Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.


Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


No parables are given as reasoning for moral laws.

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Col 2:14

This verse above refers to only one law: the law that was against us, that showed us our transgressions have been forgiven . This was not the Ten Commandments as to the moral laws , but the ceremonial law. When Christ died, he satisfied the demands of justice in the law of ceremonies and blotted it out. He is our Sabbath rest. Every time if we hear his voice and do not harden our hearts we have entered that eternal rest
 

Budman

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Doesn't matter. The Law was nailed to the cross and canceled for believers.

Colossians 2:14
 
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Doesn't matter. The Law was nailed to the cross and canceled for believers.

Colossians 2:14
yes in respect to the wage of sin.

The price for sin was paid in full demonstrated by the the cross. Justice was satisfied but the ministry of Christ as to the cerimoinal law used as a shadow did not end there. Sin still exists and sinners still have to have access to God through Christ.

The teaching that Christ's work was finished on the cross is inconsistent with the parable God gave us in the use of the sanctuary. Jesus as the Son of mans death and resurrection only began His ministry in the sanctuary. He was the Lamb on the altar of burnt offerings in the outer court of the tabernacle, but we also must travel into all the other areas of the sanctuary to understand the fullness of His ministry.

Jesus still has much to do as our unseen high priest to fulfill before the sin problem can be fully eradicated from us and this world forever.

We serve a risen Savior, who is our High Priest, Advocate, our Judge, and our King who is interceding in our behalf in the heavenly sanctuary. (Not seen)

Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. Heb 8:1
 

Budman

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The teaching that Christ's work was finished on the cross is inconsistent with the parable God gave us in the use of the sanctuary. Jesus as the Son of mans death and resurrection only began His ministry in the sanctuary. He was the Lamb on the altar of burnt offerings in the outer court of the tabernacle, but we also must travel into all the other areas of the sanctuary to understand the fullness of His ministry.

Jesus still has much to do as our unseen high priest to fulfill before the sin problem can be fully eradicated from us and this world forever.
What sins? Believers have no sins to account for. The Bible says we have been made holy, righteous, and perfect. You can't be any of those things if you still have sins charged to you.
 

p_rehbein

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The 10 Commandments can not be divorced from the "moral principles" behind them....'cuz that is what they are ALL ABOUT!

And, not even going that deep........Jesus also said to obey the laws of Caesar for the Glory of God......and some of them are surely the laws of Caesar..........

Folks can ignore the Ten Commandments.......but, one day, they won't ignore them anymore........

:)


I do not believe the "Ten Commandments" as such are transferred over as "thou shalt nots" for the Christian.

The moral principles behind the ten commandments are definietely in effect today. In fact Jesus, took the 10 commands to a deeper level.
 

p_rehbein

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IF you truly believe that, then.............PLUEEZE run right out and break all Ten.......see how that works out

Transferred over???

Perhaps read some scripture that speaks DIRECTLY to this issue.

2 Corinthians 3:7-9
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?[SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

The ministration of death and condemnation does not "transfer over" into the New Testament. The ministration of Spirit and Righteousness is a much better ministration.

But if you try to have one leg in either testament you end up trying to mix death and condemnation with Life and Righteousness. They don't really mix.


 

p_rehbein

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The Ceremonial Laws were surely..........but if you and others here do not believe the Ten Commandments are for the Church today, then get busy breaking them and let me know how that works out for ya

Doesn't matter. The Law was nailed to the cross and canceled for believers.

Colossians 2:14
 

p_rehbein

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So, you are from that group that believes Christians live a sin free life? You are perfect and never sin?

Wow..........good for you

What sins? Believers have no sins to account for. The Bible says we have been made holy, righteous, and perfect. You can't be any of those things if you still have sins charged to you.
 

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The Ceremonial Laws were surely..........but if you and others here do not believe the Ten Commandments are for the Church today, then get busy breaking them and let me know how that works out for ya
Certainly all but the 4th still apply if for no other reason than that we are told to obey the civil authority. However in another thread, I have shown that all but the 4th are commanded of NT believers.
 
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What sins? Believers have no sins to account for. The Bible says we have been made holy, righteous, and perfect. You can't be any of those things if you still have sins charged to you.
Volating the law of God in unbelief as to the one wage eternal separation is a contual work of Christ that he promises as our confidence he will continue working it out till the end of time. No man has received their promised new incorruptible bodies.
All will in the twinkling of the eye.


Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:.

That faith is the faith of Christ (above) is His exclusive work of faith, as a labor of His love that does work in the believer to both will and do His good pleasure (not of our own selves) Called a imputed righteousness.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
 
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The Ceremonial Laws were surely..........but if you and others here do not believe the Ten Commandments are for the Church today, then get busy breaking them and let me know how that works out for ya
All the commandments are for the church. Even the ceremonial ones. The whole bible is the book of the law ( no philosophical opins of men.They are identified differently than the moral laws using parables as two different reasoning sources to represent the same Sabbath rest we experience when we do hear His his voice and do not harden our hearts.

As long as today is today and the Sun and the moon are still used as a time clock it will be used as a shadow .(No judging shadow sabbbaths)

Both rendering begin with.. I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

A parable used to represent the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did follow (the first resurrection in which all believer enter into as in to be absent from the body of death is to be present with the Lord. .

Deuteronomy uses as a reason

Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day
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Deuteronomy uses as a reason (different ) creation. No parble are used in moral laws .

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

No judging shadows of the good thing to come... the actual eternal rest in our new bodies, having shed these bodies of death comes by walking by faith... it gives us the unseen rest
 
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Why?

What purpose do they serve.?

  • [SUP]"[/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount." (Hebrews 8.4,5).