KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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James37 said:
I agree :)

Paul is simply saying that he has to start over from scratch because they were not obeying the truth. Not obeying the truth and not obeying the gospel are the same thing.

In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Thessalonians 1:8


​This is in perfect agreement with John 15.
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Do you think John 3:3 is talking about the kingdom of heaven where God is or do you think it's talking about the kingdom of heaven on earth (Matthew 11:12)?

[h=1]John 3:3 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

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[h=1]Matthew 11:12 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.[/FONT]
 
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KJV1611 said:
....The theif on the cross was saved on the cross but he wasn't "born again" of the incorruptible WRITTEN word of God. .
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That can not be verified.

In fact..... analysis of the word by word usage and inference strongly suggest that the thief was well aware of Christ and most likely was a backslider. His acknowledgement of Christ was a form of further repentance that Christ accepted.

Having said that I hasten to add that ......G-d can grant consideration of anyone for special dispensation at anytime.
 
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Originally Posted by KJV1611
....The theif on the cross was saved on the cross but he wasn't "born again" of the incorruptible WRITTEN word of God.
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This is utter heresy...utter nonsense. What lengths ppl will go to to protect this KJVO nonsense.

*****The only reason why I could read this is because Preston39 quoted KJV1611, who is on ignore*****
 
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preston39 said:
K...,

That can not be verified.

In fact..... analysis of the word by word usage and inference strongly suggest that the thief was well aware of Christ and most likely was a backslider. His acknowledgement of Christ was a form of further repentance that Christ accepted.

Having said that I hasten to add that ......G-d can grant consideration of anyone for special dispensation at anytime.
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Do you think the thief was studying the scriptures while he was doing whatever he did to deserve being crucified? The bible says we are are bon again by the incorruptible words of the bible... did the thief do that?

I get it that people don't understand what being born again means, it's hard to go against the things we've been taught all our lives.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
This is utter heresy...utter nonsense. What lengths ppl will go to to protect this KJVO nonsense.

*****The only reason why I could read this is because Preston39 quoted KJV1611, who is on ignore*****
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Here you go heretic hunter... it has nothing to do with KJV only, all bibles say the same thing.

[h=1]1 Peter 1:23 New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT=&quot]23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

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[h=1]1 Peter 1:23 New American Standard Bible (NASB)[/h][FONT=&quot]23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.[/FONT]
 
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KJV1611 said:
Do you think the thief was studying the scriptures while he was doing whatever he did to deserve being crucified? The bible says we are are bon again by the incorruptible words of the bible... did the thief do that?

I get it that people don't understand what being born again means, it's hard to go against the things we've been taught all our lives.
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K...,

I don't believe we have an answer to many questions related to that segment of occurrence.

I believe we are drawn to Christ by scriptures. G-d...through The Holy Spirit...brings us to relate to His word and guidance is derived from that experience.
 
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preston39 said:
K...,

I don't believe we have an answer to many questions related to that segment of occurrence.

I believe we are drawn to Christ by scriptures. G-d...through The Holy Spirit...brings us to relate to His word and guidance is derived from that experience.
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I'm interested in knowing how you arrived at the thief was a saved backslider.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Here you go heretic hunter... it has nothing to do with KJV only, all bibles say the same thing.

[h=1]1 Peter 1:23 New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT=&quot]23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

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[h=1]1 Peter 1:23 New American Standard Bible (NASB)[/h][FONT=&quot]23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.[/FONT]
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But this verse does not say that the word is/must be written.
 
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trofimus said:
I would say its the opposite. The written word is from the spoken one.
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Me too

God Said "let there be light"

In the beginning was The Word etc etc etc


Isaiah 55:11

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[FONT=&quot] It will not return to me empty,[/FONT]
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BTW, why is it translated:

"For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God."

And not:

"For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the word of living and eternal God." ?

If somebody with a deeper Greek knowledge knows.
 
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trofimus said:
BTW, why is it translated:

"For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God."

And not:

"For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the word of living and eternal God." ?

If somebody with a deeper Greek knowledge knows.
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It's in agreement with other scripture


Hebrews 4:12

For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
It's in agreement with other scripture


Hebrews 4:12

For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart
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What do you think, is it about God (Christ) or about Bible?
 
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trofimus said:
Paul was speaking, Timotheus was writing it down, was he not?
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This is going outside of the discussion, God isn't speaking his word to us today like he did to the original writers. The only word of God we have today is the written word.
 
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trofimus said:
What do you think, is it about God (Christ) or about Bible?
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I think it's both. Though the Bible is finite because it has to be in order to be given to us. There is something very deep about the word that transcends the obvious. We are fallen creatures but God is his word and we will still be discovering things about the written record he has given us in eternity.
 
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graceNpeace said:
Do you understand any Hebrew or Greek?
The only way to compare ENGLISH translations is to know what the original language manuscripts say.
ONLY then can meaningful statements be made about how good a particular translation is.

The KJV cannot be its own judge...
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I don't think knowledge of original languages would change anything.

He is not talking about accuracy of translation. He is talking about an inspired English text; in which even deviation from the original language mss used are inspired. Both King James' instructions to the translators and the translator's preface argue against this belief; but he believes it anyway.
 
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Do you believe an unsaved person can have the Holy Spirit?
 
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