KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

[Nehemiah6]

Ok witch one is true the 1611 or the current KJV ?

Bill,

There is absolutely no material difference between the 1611 edition and our current KJB printed Bibles (other than spellings, punctuation, and minor orthograpic items). Let me show you.

1611 AV
1 In the beginning God created the Heauen, and the Earth.
2 And the earth was without forme, and voyd, and darkenesse was vpon the face of the deepe: and the Spirit of God mooued vpon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God diuided the light from the darkenesse.
5 And God called the light, Day, and the darknesse he called Night: and the euening and the morning were the first day.
6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters: and let it diuide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament; and diuided the waters, which were vnder the firmament, from the waters, which were aboue the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament, Heauen: and the euening and the morning were the second day.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters vnder the heauen be gathered together vnto one place, and let the dry land appeare: and it was so.
10 And God called the drie land, Earth, and the gathering together of the waters called hee, Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the Earth bring foorth grasse, the herbe yeelding seed, and the fruit tree, yeelding fruit after his kinde, whose seed is in it selfe, vpon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought foorth grasse, and herbe yeelding seed after his kinde, and the tree yeelding fruit, whose seed was in it selfe, after his kinde: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the euening and the morning were the third day.

CURRENT AV

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which wereunder the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

 

[preacher4truth]

There is absolutely no material difference between the 1611 edition and our current KJV printed Bibles

Um. Baloney. Start telling the truth instead of "half-truths" but maybe you just cannot see what you're doing:

https://rickbeckman.org/log/kjv-1611-vs-1769/

 

[BillG]

Is one saved by the Bible version they read or by faith in Jesus?

I don't read the KJV.
I have the NKJV, NIV, NLT ESV and other resources.
Seems some consider them to be heritical.

Does that make me a heretic?

What Bible I read does not save me or make me a heretic.

 

[trofimus]

Bill,

There is absolutely no material difference between the 1611 edition and our current KJB printed Bibles (other than spellings, punctuation, and minor orthograpic items). Let me show you.

By showing first 13 verses you did not prove that there are no changes anywhere else.

 

[trofimus]

Um. Baloney. Start telling the truth instead of "half-truths" but maybe you just cannot see what you're doing:

https://rickbeckman.org/log/kjv-1611-vs-1769/

I wonder if they are willfully lying or just uneducated about their own KJV they propagate so much.

None of the above possibilites is a good sign of their claims credibility.

And I wonder if Nehemiah6 will check our link out and apologize for teaching error or not...

 

[Nehemiah6]

By showing first 13 verses you did not prove that there are no changes anywhere else.

I don't have. You should show us where there are MATERIAL differences.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Um. Baloney. Start telling the truth instead of "half-truths" but maybe you just cannot see what you're doing:

https://rickbeckman.org/log/kjv-1611-vs-1769/

None of those differences are MATERIAL differences. So there is no half-truth.

 

[trofimus]

And I wonder if Nehemiah6 will check our link out and apologize for teaching error or not...

And I wonder if Nehemiah6 will check out the link out and apologize for teaching error or not.

Sorry, Engliiiiiiish

 

[trofimus]

None of those differences are MATERIAL differences. So there is no half-truth.

So, tell me, to which of your categories these fixes belong:

which they shall” vs. “which ye shall

spellings, punctuation, and minor orthograpic items

 

[Laish]

Hello Nehemiah6
First off I love and enjoy the KJV of the scriptures.I enjoy reading it . It is a version I keep with me for study and reading.
My only criticism is it can’t be easily understood by all English speakers. I being a fan of Shakespeare came in handy .so I had no real issues reading it . Well the most common version of the KJV .
They still did change some things between the 1611 and 1769 besides more modern word spellings .
I do have issues with idea that if a person reads a different translation he or she can’t come to the truth ,unless the are using the KJV . Not all KJV only folks do this , still some do . Many point to the KJV as the only perfect word . So my question why change perfection? Unless it was not perfect in the sense they use perfect. Not saying it is bad . Just that there are changes
Here are some changes from the 1611 to the more modern 1769

MINOR ALTERATIONS OF THE TEXT

The following list includes all changes to the text of 1611 which do not involve the correction of obvious errors of the press (examples of which are given in § 5 below), or changes of spelling, capitalization, and punctuation. Most of these changes were made with reference to the text of Estienne 1550, and with a view to greater clarity or accuracy. The changes marked with an asterix "*" are all those which are considered improper or unnecessary by F.H.A. Scrivener, an eminent authority on the text of the KJV, in his book, The Authorized Edition of the English Bible (1611), its subsequent Reprints and modern Representatives.
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[TD="class: g"]Mat 3:12[/TD]
[TD]Add he before will burn up. Rejected by Scrivener.[/TD]
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[TD]Mat 6:3[/TD]
[TD]Add hand after right. Approved by Scrivener.[/TD]
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[TD]Mat 9:34[/TD]
[TD]Omit the before devils.[/TD]
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[TD]Mat 12:23[/TD]
[TD]Add not before this the son.[/TD]
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[TD]Mat 13:6[/TD]
[TD]Read had no root instead of had not root.[/TD]
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[TD]Mat 16:16[/TD]
[TD]Add the before Christ.[/TD]
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[TD]Mat 16:19[/TD]
[TD]Add and before whatsoever thou shalt loose.[/TD]
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[TD]Mat 26:75[/TD]
[TD]Read word instead of words.[/TD]
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[TD]Mat 27:22[/TD]
[TD]Read Pilate saith instead of Pilate said.[/TD]
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[TD]Mat 27:52[/TD]
[TD]Add the before saints.[/TD]
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[TD]Mark 2:4[/TD]
[TD]Add the before press.[/TD]
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[TD]Mark 5:6[/TD]
[TD]Read he ran instead of he came.[/TD]
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[TD]Mark 6:7[/TD]
[TD]Read he called instead of he calleth.[/TD]
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[TD]Mark 6:53[/TD]
[TD]Read Gennesaret instead of Genesareth. 1611 followed another source. 1769: S B E. 1611: Er Vul.[/TD]
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[TD]Mark 10:18[/TD]
[TD]Read [there is] none good but one instead of there is no man good, but one.[/TD]
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[TD]Mark 11:8[/TD]
[TD]Read branches off the trees instead of branches of the trees.[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 1:3[/TD]
[TD]Add all before things.[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 1:74[/TD]
[TD]Read hand instead of hands.[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 3:21[/TD]
[TD]Omit and before it came to pass.[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 8:8[/TD]
[TD]Add had before said.[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 11:16[/TD]
[TD]Read others instead of other.[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 17:34[/TD]
[TD]Add and before the other shall be left.[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 18:9[/TD]
[TD]Read others instead of other.[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 19:9[/TD]
[TD]Read a son of Abraham instead of the son of Abraham.[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 20:12[/TD]
[TD]Read sent a third instead of sent the third.[/TD]
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[TD]Luke 23:19[/TD]
[TD]Read cast into prison instead of cast in prison.[/TD]
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[TD]John 5:18[/TD]
[TD]Transpose not only because he to because he not only.[/TD]
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[TD]John 7:16[/TD]
[TD]Add and said after Jesus answered them.[/TD]
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[TD]John 8:30[/TD]
[TD]Read these words instead of those words.[/TD]
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[TD]John 11:3[/TD]
[TD]Read his sisters instead of his sister.[/TD]
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[TD]John 11:34[/TD]
[TD]Read They said unto him instead of They say unto him.[/TD]
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[TD]John 12:22[/TD]
[TD]Read tell Jesus instead of told Jesus.[/TD]
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[TD]John 15:20[/TD]
[TD]Read than his lord instead of than the Lord.[/TD]
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[TD]John 16:25[/TD]
[TD]Add but before the time. 1611 followed another source. 1769: S B E. 1611: Er Vul.[/TD]
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[TD]John 21:17[/TD]
[TD]Read He saith unto him instead of he said unto him.[/TD]
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[TD]Acts 2:22[/TD]
[TD]Add and before wonders.[/TD]
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[TD]Acts 5:34[/TD]
[TD]Add the before law.[/TD]
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[TD]Acts 7:35[/TD]
[TD]Read by the hand instead of by the hands.[/TD]
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[TD]Acts 8:32[/TD]
[TD]Read his shearer instead of the shearer.[/TD]
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[TD]Acts 10:9[/TD]
[TD]Add top after upon the house.[/TD]
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[TD]Acts 18:5[/TD]
[TD]Add the before spirit.[/TD]
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[TD]Acts 19:19[/TD]
[TD]Transpose also of them to of them also.[/TD]
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[TD]Acts 24:14[/TD]
[TD]Add in before the prophets.[/TD]
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[TD]Acts 24:24[/TD]
[TD]Read Jewess instead of Jew.[/TD]
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[TD]Acts 27:18[/TD]
[TD]Read And we being exceedingly tossed with a tempest, the next [day] instead of And being exceedingly tossed with a tempest the next day.[/TD]
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[TD]Rom 3:24[/TD]
[TD]Read Christ Jesus instead of Jesus Christ.[/TD]
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[TD]Rom 4:12[/TD]
[TD]Add who before also walk.[/TD]
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[TD]Rom 6:12[/TD]
[TD]Transpose reign therefore to therefore reign.[/TD]
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[TD]Rom 7:2[/TD]
[TD]Read law of her husband instead of law of the husband.[/TD]
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[TD]Rom 7:13[/TD]
[TD]Transpose Was that then to Was then that.[/TD]
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[TD]Rom 11:28[/TD]
[TD]Read for your sakes instead of for your sake.[/TD]
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[TD]Rom 12:2[/TD]
[TD]Read and acceptable instead of that acceptable.[/TD]
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[TD]Rom 14:6[/TD]
[TD]Read regardeth the day instead of regardeth a day.[/TD]
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[TD]Rom 14:10[/TD]
[TD]Add for before we shall all stand.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Cor 4:9[/TD]
[TD]Read appointed to death instead of approved to death.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Cor 7:32[/TD]
[TD]Read things that belong instead of things that belongeth.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Cor 10:28[/TD]
[TD]Add for before the earth is.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Cor 12:28[/TD]
[TD]Read helps, governments instead of helps in governments.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Cor 13:2[/TD]
[TD]Read have not charity instead of have no charity.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Cor 14:15[/TD]
[TD]Add I before will pray.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Cor 14:18[/TD]
[TD]Read than ye all instead of than you all.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Cor 14:23[/TD]
[TD]Read one place instead of some place.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Cor 15:6[/TD]
[TD]Read After that instead of And that.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Cor 15:41[/TD]
[TD]Read and another glory of the moon instead of another of the moon.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Cor 15:48[/TD]
[TD]Add also before that are earthy.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Cor 16:22[/TD]
[TD]Read anathema, Maranatha instead of Anathema Maranatha.[/TD]
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[TD]2 Cor 5:1[/TD]
[TD]Read made with hands instead of made with hand.[/TD]
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[TD]2 Cor 5:2[/TD]
[TD]Read groan, earnestly desiring instead of groan earnestly, desiring.[/TD]
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[TD]2 Cor 5:20[/TD]
[TD]Omit that before be ye reconciled.[/TD]
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[TD]2 Cor 8:21[/TD]
[TD]Add also before in the sight.[/TD]
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[TD]2 Cor 9:5[/TD]
[TD]Add and before not.[/TD]
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[TD]2 Cor 9:5[/TD]
[TD]Add as before of covetousness.[/TD]
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[TD]2 Cor 9:6[/TD]
[TD]Add also after reap twice.[/TD]
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[TD]2 Cor 11:26[/TD]
[TD]Read journeyings instead of journeying.[/TD]
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[TD]2 Cor 11:32[/TD]
[TD]Add of the Damascenes after the city.[/TD]
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[TD]Gal Title[/TD]
[TD]Add the Apostle before to the Galatians. 1611 followed another source. 1769: E. 1611: S.[/TD]
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[TD]Gal 3:13[/TD]
[TD]Add a before tree.[/TD]
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[TD]Gal 5:15[/TD]
[TD]Add that after take heed.[/TD]
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[TD]Eph 1:9[/TD]
[TD]Read hath purposed instead of had purposed.[/TD]
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[TD]Eph 4:24[/TD]
[TD]Read the new man instead of that new man.[/TD]
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[TD]Eph 6:24[/TD]
[TD]Add Amen at end of verse. 1611 followed another source. 1769: S E. 1611: Vul.[/TD]
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[TD]Phil 4:6[/TD]
[TD]Read requests instead of request.[/TD]
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[TD]2 Th 2:14[/TD]
[TD]Read our Lord Jesus Christ instead of the Lord Jesus Christ.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Tim 1:4[/TD]
[TD]Add godly before edifying.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Tim 2:9[/TD]
[TD]Read shamefacedness instead of shamefastness.[/TD]
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[TD]2 Tim 1:7[/TD]
[TD]Add and before of love.[/TD]
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[TD]2 Tim 1:12[/TD]
[TD]Omit I before am persuaded.[/TD]
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[TD]2 Tim 2:19[/TD]
[TD]Read this seal instead of the seal.[/TD]
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[TD]2 Tim 4:8[/TD]
[TD]Add all before them also.[/TD]
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[TD]2 Tim 4:13[/TD]
[TD]Add and the books after bring [with thee].[/TD]
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[TD]Heb 3:10[/TD]
[TD]Read their heart instead of their hearts.[/TD]
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[TD]Heb 8:8[/TD]
[TD]Add with before the house of Judah.[/TD]
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[TD]Heb 11:23[/TD]
[TD]Add were before not afraid.[/TD]
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[TD]Heb 12:1[/TD]
[TD]Omit unto before the race.[/TD]
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[TD]James 5:2[/TD]
[TD]Add are before motheaten.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Pet 2:1[/TD]
[TD]Add all before evil speakings.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Pet 2:5[/TD]
[TD]Read sacrifices instead of sacrifice.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Pet 2:6[/TD]
[TD]Add also after Wherefore.[/TD]
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[TD]1 Pet 5:10[/TD]
[TD]Read called us unto instead of called us into.[/TD]
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[TD]1 John 2:16[/TD]
[TD]Add and before the lust of the eyes.[/TD]
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[TD]1 John 3:17[/TD]
[TD]Read have need instead of hath need.[/TD]
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[TD]1 John 5:12[/TD]
[TD]Add of God after hath not the Son.[/TD]
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[TD]Jude 1:25[/TD]
[TD]Add both before now and ever.[/TD]
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[TD]Rev 1:4[/TD]
[TD]Add which are before in Asia.[/TD]
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[TD]Rev 1:11[/TD]
[TD]Add unto before Philadelphia.[/TD]
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[TD]Rev 5:13[/TD]
[TD]Add and before honour.[/TD]
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[TD]Rev 5:13[/TD]
[TD]Add and before glory.[/TD]
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[TD]Rev 12:14[/TD]
[TD]Read fly instead of flee.[/TD]
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[TD]Rev 13:6[/TD]
[TD]Read them that dwell instead of them that dwelt.[/TD]
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[TD]Rev 17:4[/TD]
[TD]Read precious stones instead of precious stone.[/TD]
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[TD]Rev 22:2[/TD]
[TD]Read on either side instead of of either side.[/TD]
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Blessings
Bill

 

[trofimus]

The following list includes all changes to the text of 1611 which do not involve the correction of obvious errors of the press (examples of which are given in § 5 below), or changes of spelling, capitalization, and punctuation.

Obviously, just for the New Testament.

BTW, where did you manage to get such a long list?

 

[Budman]

I'm not very learned regarding this subject at all, and yes, I know we shouldn't go by feelings, but the KJV just feels right to me. It's something I can't explain.

I certainly use other translations as well during research, but that old KJV speaks to my soul in a way the others simply don't.

Just my opinion, and it doesn't count for much. Especially regarding the scholarly discussion going on in this thread. I certainly admire the knowledge displayed here.

You guys rock!

 

[preacher4truth]

None of those differences are MATERIAL differences. So there is no half-truth.

You're disingenuous. There are several MATERIAL differences and either you're plain bearing false witness, OR you cannot see it.

Let me put it like this: Any HONEST person can see there are material differences, which would make you less than HONEST.

Example: Ezekiel 24:7 for instance (just one) Poured it on the ground -or- Poured it NOT on the ground. Huge difference.

This is why I have zero respect for your arguments; they're dishonest and disingenuous, yet you act like you're some biblical expert while not looking at any facts that PROVE you're wrong over and over.

 

[preacher4truth]

I wonder if they are willfully lying or just uneducated about their own KJV they propagate so much.

None of the above possibilites is a good sign of their claims credibility.

And I wonder if Nehemiah6 will check our link out and apologize for teaching error or not...

I'm starting to think they are blinded by their indoctrination. It's either that or they cannot admit/tell the truth when proven wrong. I go for the former to give them a benefit of doubt.

 

[preacher4truth]

Hello Nehemiah6
First off I love and enjoy the KJV of the scriptures.I enjoy reading it . It is a version I keep with me for study and reading.
My only criticism is it can’t be easily understood by all English speakers. I being a fan of Shakespeare came in handy .so I had no real issues reading it . Well the most common version of the KJV .
They still did change some things between the 1611 and 1769 besides more modern word spellings .
I do have issues with idea that if a person reads a different translation he or she can’t come to the truth ,unless the are using the KJV . Not all KJV only folks do this , still some do . Many point to the KJV as the only perfect word . So my question why change perfection? Unless it was not perfect in the sense they use perfect. Not saying it is bad . Just that there are changes
Here are some changes from the 1611 to the more modern 1769

MINOR ALTERATIONS OF THE TEXT

The following list includes all changes to the text of 1611 which do not involve the correction of obvious errors of the press (examples of which are given in § 5 below), or changes of spelling, capitalization, and punctuation. Most of these changes were made with reference to the text of Estienne 1550, and with a view to greater clarity or accuracy. The changes marked with an asterix "*" are all those which are considered improper or unnecessary by F.H.A. Scrivener, an eminent authority on the text of the KJV, in his book, The Authorized Edition of the English Bible (1611), its subsequent Reprints and modern Representatives.
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[TD="class: g"]Mat 3:12[/TD]
[TD]Add he before will burn up. Rejected by Scrivener.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mat 6:3[/TD]
[TD]Add hand after right. Approved by Scrivener.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Mat 9:34[/TD]
[TD]Omit the before devils.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Mat 12:23[/TD]
[TD]Add not before this the son.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Mat 13:6[/TD]
[TD]Read had no root instead of had not root.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mat 16:16[/TD]
[TD]Add the before Christ.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mat 16:19[/TD]
[TD]Add and before whatsoever thou shalt loose.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mat 26:75[/TD]
[TD]Read word instead of words.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mat 27:22[/TD]
[TD]Read Pilate saith instead of Pilate said.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Mat 27:52[/TD]
[TD]Add the before saints.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mark 2:4[/TD]
[TD]Add the before press.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mark 5:6[/TD]
[TD]Read he ran instead of he came.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Mark 6:7[/TD]
[TD]Read he called instead of he calleth.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Mark 6:53[/TD]
[TD]Read Gennesaret instead of Genesareth. 1611 followed another source. 1769: S B E. 1611: Er Vul.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mark 10:18[/TD]
[TD]Read [there is] none good but one instead of there is no man good, but one.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mark 11:8[/TD]
[TD]Read branches off the trees instead of branches of the trees.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Luke 1:3[/TD]
[TD]Add all before things.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Luke 1:74[/TD]
[TD]Read hand instead of hands.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Luke 3:21[/TD]
[TD]Omit and before it came to pass.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Luke 8:8[/TD]
[TD]Add had before said.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Luke 11:16[/TD]
[TD]Read others instead of other.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Luke 17:34[/TD]
[TD]Add and before the other shall be left.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Luke 18:9[/TD]
[TD]Read others instead of other.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Luke 19:9[/TD]
[TD]Read a son of Abraham instead of the son of Abraham.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Luke 20:12[/TD]
[TD]Read sent a third instead of sent the third.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Luke 23:19[/TD]
[TD]Read cast into prison instead of cast in prison.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]John 5:18[/TD]
[TD]Transpose not only because he to because he not only.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]John 7:16[/TD]
[TD]Add and said after Jesus answered them.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]John 8:30[/TD]
[TD]Read these words instead of those words.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]John 11:3[/TD]
[TD]Read his sisters instead of his sister.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]John 11:34[/TD]
[TD]Read They said unto him instead of They say unto him.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]John 12:22[/TD]
[TD]Read tell Jesus instead of told Jesus.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]John 15:20[/TD]
[TD]Read than his lord instead of than the Lord.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]John 16:25[/TD]
[TD]Add but before the time. 1611 followed another source. 1769: S B E. 1611: Er Vul.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]John 21:17[/TD]
[TD]Read He saith unto him instead of he said unto him.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Acts 2:22[/TD]
[TD]Add and before wonders.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Acts 5:34[/TD]
[TD]Add the before law.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Acts 7:35[/TD]
[TD]Read by the hand instead of by the hands.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Acts 8:32[/TD]
[TD]Read his shearer instead of the shearer.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Acts 10:9[/TD]
[TD]Add top after upon the house.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Acts 18:5[/TD]
[TD]Add the before spirit.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Acts 19:19[/TD]
[TD]Transpose also of them to of them also.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Acts 24:14[/TD]
[TD]Add in before the prophets.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Acts 24:24[/TD]
[TD]Read Jewess instead of Jew.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Acts 27:18[/TD]
[TD]Read And we being exceedingly tossed with a tempest, the next [day] instead of And being exceedingly tossed with a tempest the next day.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Rom 3:24[/TD]
[TD]Read Christ Jesus instead of Jesus Christ.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Rom 4:12[/TD]
[TD]Add who before also walk.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Rom 6:12[/TD]
[TD]Transpose reign therefore to therefore reign.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Rom 7:2[/TD]
[TD]Read law of her husband instead of law of the husband.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Rom 7:13[/TD]
[TD]Transpose Was that then to Was then that.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Rom 11:28[/TD]
[TD]Read for your sakes instead of for your sake.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Rom 12:2[/TD]
[TD]Read and acceptable instead of that acceptable.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Rom 14:6[/TD]
[TD]Read regardeth the day instead of regardeth a day.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Rom 14:10[/TD]
[TD]Add for before we shall all stand.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]1 Cor 4:9[/TD]
[TD]Read appointed to death instead of approved to death.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1 Cor 7:32[/TD]
[TD]Read things that belong instead of things that belongeth.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1 Cor 10:28[/TD]
[TD]Add for before the earth is.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1 Cor 12:28[/TD]
[TD]Read helps, governments instead of helps in governments.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]1 Cor 13:2[/TD]
[TD]Read have not charity instead of have no charity.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]1 Cor 14:15[/TD]
[TD]Add I before will pray.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]1 Cor 14:18[/TD]
[TD]Read than ye all instead of than you all.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1 Cor 14:23[/TD]
[TD]Read one place instead of some place.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1 Cor 15:6[/TD]
[TD]Read After that instead of And that.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1 Cor 15:41[/TD]
[TD]Read and another glory of the moon instead of another of the moon.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1 Cor 15:48[/TD]
[TD]Add also before that are earthy.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1 Cor 16:22[/TD]
[TD]Read anathema, Maranatha instead of Anathema Maranatha.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]2 Cor 5:1[/TD]
[TD]Read made with hands instead of made with hand.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2 Cor 5:2[/TD]
[TD]Read groan, earnestly desiring instead of groan earnestly, desiring.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2 Cor 5:20[/TD]
[TD]Omit that before be ye reconciled.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2 Cor 8:21[/TD]
[TD]Add also before in the sight.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2 Cor 9:5[/TD]
[TD]Add and before not.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2 Cor 9:5[/TD]
[TD]Add as before of covetousness.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2 Cor 9:6[/TD]
[TD]Add also after reap twice.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2 Cor 11:26[/TD]
[TD]Read journeyings instead of journeying.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2 Cor 11:32[/TD]
[TD]Add of the Damascenes after the city.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Gal Title[/TD]
[TD]Add the Apostle before to the Galatians. 1611 followed another source. 1769: E. 1611: S.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Gal 3:13[/TD]
[TD]Add a before tree.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Gal 5:15[/TD]
[TD]Add that after take heed.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Eph 1:9[/TD]
[TD]Read hath purposed instead of had purposed.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Eph 4:24[/TD]
[TD]Read the new man instead of that new man.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Eph 6:24[/TD]
[TD]Add Amen at end of verse. 1611 followed another source. 1769: S E. 1611: Vul.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Phil 4:6[/TD]
[TD]Read requests instead of request.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2 Th 2:14[/TD]
[TD]Read our Lord Jesus Christ instead of the Lord Jesus Christ.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1 Tim 1:4[/TD]
[TD]Add godly before edifying.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]1 Tim 2:9[/TD]
[TD]Read shamefacedness instead of shamefastness.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2 Tim 1:7[/TD]
[TD]Add and before of love.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]2 Tim 1:12[/TD]
[TD]Omit I before am persuaded.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2 Tim 2:19[/TD]
[TD]Read this seal instead of the seal.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2 Tim 4:8[/TD]
[TD]Add all before them also.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2 Tim 4:13[/TD]
[TD]Add and the books after bring [with thee].[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Heb 3:10[/TD]
[TD]Read their heart instead of their hearts.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Heb 8:8[/TD]
[TD]Add with before the house of Judah.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Heb 11:23[/TD]
[TD]Add were before not afraid.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Heb 12:1[/TD]
[TD]Omit unto before the race.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]James 5:2[/TD]
[TD]Add are before motheaten.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1 Pet 2:1[/TD]
[TD]Add all before evil speakings.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1 Pet 2:5[/TD]
[TD]Read sacrifices instead of sacrifice.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1 Pet 2:6[/TD]
[TD]Add also after Wherefore.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]1 Pet 5:10[/TD]
[TD]Read called us unto instead of called us into.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1 John 2:16[/TD]
[TD]Add and before the lust of the eyes.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]1 John 3:17[/TD]
[TD]Read have need instead of hath need.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1 John 5:12[/TD]
[TD]Add of God after hath not the Son.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Jude 1:25[/TD]
[TD]Add both before now and ever.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Rev 1:4[/TD]
[TD]Add which are before in Asia.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Rev 1:11[/TD]
[TD]Add unto before Philadelphia.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Rev 5:13[/TD]
[TD]Add and before honour.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Rev 5:13[/TD]
[TD]Add and before glory.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Rev 12:14[/TD]
[TD]Read fly instead of flee.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Rev 13:6[/TD]
[TD]Read them that dwell instead of them that dwelt.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Rev 17:4[/TD]
[TD]Read precious stones instead of precious stone.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]*[/TD]
[TD]Rev 22:2[/TD]
[TD]Read on either side instead of of either side.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Blessings
Bill

Thanks for sharing that brother Laish. Hopefully N6 will repent of his disingenuous responses. He has been proven incorrect.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

[video=youtube;C5IFwHQhC3o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5IFwHQhC3o[/video]​

 

[Dino246]

...
Here are some changes from the 1611 to the more modern 1769 ...

Some of these are significant; many aren't. It is interesting to note how many there are though.

Clearly, the claim that there were no significant changes is spurious, as is the claim that the KJV is perfect, when it has been changed. Unfortunately, some seem to be stuck on the idea... perhaps their faith is actually quite shaky and they need the affirmation of "winning" their point.

 

[KJV1611]

Some of these are significant; many aren't. It is interesting to note how many there are though.

Clearly, the claim that there were no significant changes is spurious, as is the claim that the KJV is perfect, when it has been changed. Unfortunately, some seem to be stuck on the idea... perhaps their faith is actually quite shaky and they need the affirmation of "winning" their point.

i think it would be cool to discuss some of the significant changes. Which do you feel is the most significant? Same question to all. I'm on iPhone so please forgive typos.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

How do you determine if a bible is from God or not?

I don't follow a cult.

This remark indicates that you know little or nothing about modern bible perversions and how they originated. Take some time to dig deeper into this matter, since one cannot rely on what has been corrupted. The Lord God certainly had nothing to do with Gnostic corruptions of the Scriptures.

Your attacks are bang out of order. NIV, ESV & NKJV are not Gnostic. You know that yet you are accusing anyway. All your learning has brought you to this error? What then is it worth? You are an indoctrinated fool sir! You are in bondage and you are opposing The Holy Spirit. You have no right to keep up these attacks on valid scripture.

She does not understand that there can be only one Bible that can be considered the pure, holy word of God since they all contain different words and different truths. If one of them is the true word of God, that would make all others false Bibles. There is no other choice. One or none.

Who brainwashed you?

Show me a scripture (there should be 2 or 3 for proper witness) but show me just one that says that The KJV and only the KJV is The Word of The Lord God. Show me where The Holy Bible teaches there can be no translators working past the year 1611.

 

[BillG]

[video=youtube;C5IFwHQhC3o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5IFwHQhC3o[/video]​

You gotta love Blackadder.

Or is it "Ye musteth loveth blackadderith?

Did you ever watch the Vicar of Dibley?
The one where Geraldine had to step in when Alice read from the KJV when they were on songs of praise?