KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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trofimus said:
What about general church and her creeds?

What about "the standard is the verifiable truth", no matter where it is written in?

Let us not limit ourselves.
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If the church and creeds match the bible then they are ok to believe.
The only possible standard is the standard that God breathed. Uninspired translations are just mans work and they are fallible.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Trof the KJV translators translated the Greek and Hebrew for spirit differently so that the word count for Holy Ghost would = 90 and the word count for Holy Spirit would = 7.

Do you think this is coincidence or by design?
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1611 or 1769? Cambridge or Oxford?

There is not just one KJV.

I found 91 and 10. NO idea which KJV version it used.
 
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KJV1611 said:
If the church and creeds match the bible then they are ok to believe.
The only possible standard is the standard that God breathed. Uninspired translations are just mans work and they are fallible.
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Also our minds are fallible.

Even if we had a perfect text, our comprehension would still lead to many errors. Isolation of verses, misunderstanding of context etc.

We need more than just book. We need to be led by the living God.
 
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KJV1611 said:
The standard is the inspired inerrant word of God? Now the question is which bible is the inspired inerrant word of God. :(
I've only seen one so far.
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You don't get to ignore this. "the inspired inerrant word of God" The King James Version.
Does the KJV teach that God is plural?



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Daniel 4:8 King James Version (KJV)

8 But at the last Daniel came in before me, whose name was Belteshazzar, according to the name of my God, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods: and before him I told the dream, saying,


Daniel 4:8 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

8 But at the last Daniel came in before me, whose name was Belteshazzar, according to the name of my god, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods: and before him I told the dream, saying,

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Daniel 4:9 King James Version (KJV)


9 O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.


Daniel 4:9 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

9 O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)KJV reproduced by permission of Cambridge University Press, the Crown’s patentee in the UK.

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Daniel 4:18 King James Version (KJV)

18 This dream I king Nebuchadnezzar have seen. Now thou, O Belteshazzar, declare the interpretation thereof, forasmuch as all the wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known unto me the interpretation: but thou art able; for the spirit of the holy gods is in thee.


Daniel 4:18 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

18 This dream I king Nebuchadnezzar have seen. Now thou, O Belteshazzar, declare the interpretation thereof, forasmuch as all the wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known unto me the interpretation: but thou art able; for the spirit of the holy gods is in thee.

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Daniel 5:11 King James Version (KJV)


11 There is a man in thy kingdom,in whom is the spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, likethe wisdom of the gods, was found in him; whom the king Nebuchadnezzar thy father, the king, I say, thy father, made master of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans, and soothsayers;


Daniel 5:11 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

11 There is a man in thy kingdom,in whom is the spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, was found in him; whom the king Nebuchadnezzar thy father, the king, I say, thy father, made master of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans, andsoothsayers;

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)KJV reproduced by permission of Cambridge University Press, the Crown’s patentee in the UK.
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trofimus said:
1611 or 1769? Cambridge or Oxford?

There is not just one KJV.

I found 91 and 10. NO idea which KJV version it used.
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The same pattern is in 1611 and 1769. I don't know about Cambridge or Oxford because I'm not aware of the differnces.

What sofware did you use to find 91?
 
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trofimus said:
Also our minds are fallible.

Even if we had a perfect text, our comprehension would still lead to many errors. Isolation of verses, misunderstanding of context etc.

We need more than just book. We need to be led by the living God.
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I agree, a perfect book without the Holy Spirit is worhless. Just look at the Pharisees.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
You don't get to ignore this. "the inspired inerrant word of God" The King James Version.
Does the KJV teach that God is plural?
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I wasn't ignoring you, the post wasn't addressed to me plus I didn't know what you were getting at.

Those are Nebuchadnezzar words, it's what he believed.
 
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Do you guys know of any software that counts words in the newer translation i.e. the NIV or NASB?
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
You don't get to ignore this. "the inspired inerrant word of God" The King James Version.
Does the KJV teach that God is plural?
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OUch, that must be a painful reading for the KJVO. So many verses with "gods" in Daniel.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I wasn't ignoring you, the post wasn't addressed to me plus I didn't know what you were getting at.

Those are Nebuchadnezzar words, it's what he believed.
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Exactly! The same for the NIV. Which is what you've been told again and again and again. You can't have a double standard!
 
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The Babylonians had a dozen gods. That's how they thought and that's how they spoke.
 
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nddreamer said:
The Babylonians had a dozen gods. That's how they thought and that's how they spoke.
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If I understand KJV1611 correctly, he is not saying that the babylonian king said "son of God", he thinks that the KJV fixed it to be a better reading, even though not historically correct.

But I may be wrong, I have a problem understanding what is the supposed theological problem for us with wrong ideas of a pagan king :)
 
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preston39 said:
h...,

Where did you get that from? Not me...if that is your insinuation......please refer to fact.

You will not be allowed to spin with me...here.
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Here is a direct quote from your previous post..... Did I (and probably everyone else who read this) misunderstand your insinuation? No spinning required. To me, it's simple reading comprehension. If I misunderstood your statement, I will happily retract my reply.

Since we see justification of other re-writes,....what will be your reaction to that one?
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trofimus said:
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/simple.html

It returns 91 for Holy Ghost and 10 for Holy Spirit.
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That search program searches the KJV and the apocrypha. 4Ezra is where the extra occurences comes from.

4Ezra.14


  1. [22] But if I have found grace before thee, send the Holy Ghost into me, and I shall write all that hath been done in the world since the beginning, which were written in thy law, that men may find thy path, and that they which will live in the latter days may live.
 
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KJV1611 said:
That search program searches the KJV and the apocrypha. 4Ezra is where the extra occurences comes from.

4Ezra.14


  1. [22] But if I have found grace before thee, send the Holy Ghost into me, and I shall write all that hath been done in the world since the beginning, which were written in thy law, that men may find thy path, and that they which will live in the latter days may live.
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"The KJV and the apocrypha" - Apocrypha are in the KJV.

And thats only one occurence.
 
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