KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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MarcR

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This will be my last question for tonight.... I'll leave you alone after this one lol.

In verse 45 what is God in Greek - singular or plural?

John 6:45-46 King James Version (KJV)

45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

God is singular in Jn 6:45 and that is consistent with DT 6:4
 
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God is singular in Jn 6:45 and that is consistent with DT 6:4
Thanks MarcR. That made several more questions pop up in my mind but I'm just too dang tired to keep going tonight. :)
I want to come back to this tomorrow though. Thanks for all your input and have a good night.
 

MarcR

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Thanks MarcR. That made several more questions pop up in my mind but I'm just too dang tired to keep going tonight. :)
I want to come back to this tomorrow though. Thanks for all your input and have a good night.
I look forward to it . Good night and Blessings on you.
 

Laish

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Thanks MarcR. That made several more questions pop up in my mind but I'm just too dang tired to keep going tonight. :)
I want to come back to this tomorrow though. Thanks for all your input and have a good night.
That is the precise reason I read all his posts . He is quite thought provoking. Marc is a great asset to Cc .
Blessings
Bill
 

preston39

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King James and NASB primarily. You must have skipped over the "forgiven at the cross" portion of my post. My apologies for not bolding and highlighting for you.
L...,

I skipped over nothing.

YOUR failure to follow scripture for the need of repentance, baptism and righteous living is what has been skipped.

Further, it seems you skipped this one also; ... sacrifice for forgiveness (on the cross) is not available where sin is present (continues)......

Still further, this one;.....a Christian must maintain until the end (death) their righteousness, et al.

All scripture references must be considered in perspective in order to reach a proper application of G-d's word.
 
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Limey410v2

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L...,

I skipped over nothing.

YOUR failure to follow scripture for the need of repentance, baptism and righteous living is what has been skipped.

Further, it seems you skipped this one also; ... sacrifice for forgiveness (on the cross) is not available where sin is present (continues)......

Still further, this one;.....a Christian must maintain until the end (death) their righteousness, et al.

All scripture references must be considered in perspective in order to reach a proper application of G-d's word.
Uh oh, you're a lawyer. Thank God I have Jesus. Grace and Mercy to you brother.
 

Limey410v2

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I won't throw bible verses at you because you will just throw different bible verses back at me. And it will be an endless battle that neither will win, as is often the case on this forum.
 
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Originally Posted by KJV1611

This will be my last question for tonight.... I'll leave you alone after this one lol.

In verse 45 what is God in Greek - singular or plural?

John 6:45-46 King James Version (KJV)

45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

God is singular in Jn 6:45 and that is consistent with DT 6:4
They shall all be taught of God (singular) - Jesus was the teacher hence Jesus was "God" in verse 45.

Who is God (singular) in verse 46?
 

MarcR

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They shall all be taught of God (singular) - Jesus was the teacher hence Jesus was "God" in verse 45.

Who is God (singular) in verse 46?
Since Jesus is speaking it must be either the Father or the triune Godhead.
 

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I would like to know your stand on the sin of apostasy I agree that the KJV is the best English translation all the others are perverted
Glad to have you join in on the conversation. There are many ongoing topics in the Bible Discussion Forum in various threads and in the other forums as well. Feel free to start your own thread on any topic you chose and post it in what you feel is an appropriate forum. Welcome to CC.
 

SovereignGrace

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They shall all be taught of God (singular) - Jesus was the teacher hence Jesus was "God" in verse 45.

Who is God (singular) in verse 46?
You are teetering upon modalism.

Jesus is just as much God as His Father is God. But the Father and the Son are not one and the same person. They are One Being, but three Persons. Jesus is not God the Father, but God the Son.
 
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You are teetering upon modalism.

Jesus is just as much God as His Father is God. But the Father and the Son are not one and the same person. They are One Being, but three Persons. Jesus is not God the Father, but God the Son.
I understand the concept of one being but what do you mean by three persons? How is three persons not exactly the same as three beings?
 
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Since Jesus is speaking it must be either the Father or the triune Godhead.
But it's the singular God which means it would have to be the Godhead wouldn't it? I would think all mentions of the singular God would have to be talking about the Godhead.
 

trofimus

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I understand the concept of one being but what do you mean by three persons? How is three persons not exactly the same as three beings?
Schizofrenia - several personalities in one being.

In humans, its a disorder, because we are not created to be multipersonalities.

In God, all three persons are in a perfect harmony.

There are some indications that multipersonality is also in other beings - for example in Ezechiel you can see such description of one being with 4 faces.
 
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Schizofrenia - several personalities in one being.

In humans, its a disorder, because we are not created to be multipersonalities.

In God, all three persons are in a perfect harmony.

There are some indications that multipersonality is also in other beings - for example in Ezechiel you can see such description of one being with 4 faces.
How do you explain Jesus, a living being praying to his Father, another living being in heaven?
 
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I'm exploring the idea that time has something to do with this. God is outside of time, he can be at multiple places at the same time. God can be on earth as Christ while also being in heaven at that exact same time.
 

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Schizofrenia - several personalities in one being.

In humans, its a disorder, because we are not created to be multipersonalities.

In God, all three persons are in a perfect harmony.

There are some indications that multipersonality is also in other beings - for example in Ezechiel you can see such description of one being with 4 faces.
How do you explain Jesus, a living being praying to his Father, another living being in heaven?
The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. Three separate beings that comprise one God, not one being with three personalities.
 
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I'm exploring the idea that time has something to do with this. God is outside of time, he can be at multiple places at the same time. God can be on earth as Christ while also being in heaven at that exact same time.
This would explain:

  • God in three persons.
  • I and my Father are one.
  • If you have seen me you have seen the father.

At this point I don't know of anything that this wouldn't explain.