KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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I read the other post as well.
Your position is many centuries old and comes from a discredited theologian called Sabelius.
The most common description of this position today is called unitarianism.
This is not compatible with Biblical Christianity.

It explains a lot about your utterly confused theology - it isn't Christian...
It also has nothing to do with quantum physics.
I'm done here, when this discussion changes to something else I will return.
 

graceNpeace

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I'm done here, when this discussion changes to something else I will return.
Well, I am not sure what you are doing here in the first place.
This forum is Christian forum.
Your theology is heresy.
The doctrine of the Trinity is a central plank of Christianity - take it away and there is no Christianity.

Perhaps you would be better off on a forum dedicated to comparative theology....
 
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Had a KJV only guy used to come into my shop. When we discussed the Word he would after a while say "I need to go home and check that" I would offer him a KJV and say "it's ok you can check it here". One day he bought me a new KJV with a commentary in it. It was then I realized why he needed to go home. He wasn't reading his beloved KJV, he was reading the commentary. One day he stood up all flustered and yelled "this is the perfect Word Of God". To which I replied "no that's paper and ink. The perfect Word of God is sitting at God's right hand and it's name is Jesus". I thought he was going to go into cardiac arrest. We need to worship God not a translation of His Word.
 

graceNpeace

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Had a KJV only guy used to come into my shop. When we discussed the Word he would after a while say "I need to go home and check that" I would offer him a KJV and say "it's ok you can check it here". One day he bought me a new KJV with a commentary in it. It was then I realized why he needed to go home. He wasn't reading his beloved KJV, he was reading the commentary. One day he stood up all flustered and yelled "this is the perfect Word Of God". To which I replied "no that's paper and ink. The perfect Word of God is sitting at God's right hand and it's name is Jesus". I thought he was going to go into cardiac arrest. We need to worship God not a translation of His Word.
Amen to that!
 

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I've heard agnostics and atheists say that the Bible is mere paper and ink. Guess you don't believe that reading the Bible can change you. I've read it many times in the past 30 years and can say without a doubt that I am not the person I once was. The Bible is much much more than paper and ink. The Holy Spirit is in it and eagerly awaits the sinner to change them into the image of Jesus Christ. And please don't refer to our LORD as an "it".
 

graceNpeace

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I've heard agnostics and atheists say that the Bible is mere paper and ink. Guess you don't believe that reading the Bible can change you. I've read it many times in the past 30 years and can say without a doubt that I am not the person I once was. The Bible is much much more than paper and ink. The Holy Spirit is in it and eagerly awaits the sinner to change them into the image of Jesus Christ. And please don't refer to our LORD as an "it".
Not to put too fine a point on it but the Bible is indeed paper and ink.
Even to many who actually read it is just words on a page.
For it to become meaningful in any way it has to be understood and illumination is required for it to be sensible.
And that illumination is provided by the Holy Spirit and that alone.
Then what is written becomes much more than words on a page or ink and paper, but there is nothing magical or spiritual about the paper or ink per se.
 
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I'm a Christian as God is my judge, (not argumentative people), so that rules out atheist etc. as being a childish remark. The point was The Word Jesus is the perfect Word not a book that has the Holy Spirit inspired Word. Though I know you know what I meant. You are just looking for an argument.
 
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Not to put too fine a point on it but the Bible is indeed paper and ink.
Even to many who actually read it is just words on a page.
For it to become meaningful in any way it has to be understood and illumination is required for it to be sensible.
And that illumination is provided by the Holy Spirit and that alone.
Then what is written becomes much more than words on a page or ink and paper, but there is nothing magical or spiritual about the paper or ink per se.
Well in general yes,but there is actually more to it than just what can be seen,the bible is not simply called the "Word of God" because it sounds miraculous,it's because it is "inspired by God" it's easy to see the ink and paper,but what about "the effort and time it took","the emotions going through the writers"?
No parchment or book written is just "ink" and "paper" when one pours their "heart" into it.
 

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This has nothing to do with the KJV, this is common sense. The point I'm making is that Jesus was begotten by God in birth. Or to put it as you put it earlier, Jesus was begotten by God in his resurrection.

If I'm not mistaken, you guys say that "This day have I begotten thee" means that Jesus came out God in eternity past. Which is it, was Jesus begotten by God in eternity past or at the resurrection?
Being begotten by the Father is not what is used when you have begotten your children. It means the Christ is unique, as His Father is unique. Or that how I have taken those who are saying monogenes means.
 

nddreamer

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Just keep reading it and you'll understand more about where I'm coming from. It is indeed the Living Word. When you say there's nothing spiritual about it, tells me a lot about where you are. Just keep reading and you'll be amazed. The Holy Spirit is very real.
 

trofimus

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I don't follow you, The Word is God and the Father is God... always has been and always will be.
Yeah, my argument was "If Father was always Father and Word was always Word, this alone implies that Word comes out of Father, they are not just "person 1, person 2, person 3", but there is some kind of relationship between them."

But you do not want to discuss this anymore, I am always coming late with my time zone :)
 

graceNpeace

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Yeah, my argument was "If Father was always Father and Word was always Word, this alone implies that Word comes out of Father, they are not just "person 1, person 2, person 3", but there is some kind of relationship between them."

But you do not want to discuss this anymore, I am always coming late with my time zone :)
He has clearly stated that his belief on this matter is unitarian - a belief incompatible with Biblical Christianity.
 

MarcR

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He has clearly stated that his belief on this matter is unitarian - a belief incompatible with Biblical Christianity.

The Unitarian belief regarding the Godhead is, I agree, not doctrinally sound. I am not certain that it is necessarily a Salvation issue. If it is not [and I am not certain it is not] God will correct him when he is called home. If He trusts Jesus alone for his Salvation that is certainly enough. Scripture never makes a case that a correct understanding of the Godhead is a requirement for Salvation, that I am aware of.
 

trofimus

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The Unitarian belief regarding the Godhead is, I agree, not doctrinally sound. I am not certain that it is necessarily a Salvation issue. If it is not [and I am not certain it is not] God will correct him when he is called home. If He trusts Jesus alone for his Salvation that is certainly enough. Scripture never makes a case that a correct understanding of the Godhead is a requirement for Salvation, that I am aware of.
It probably depends on if it is just an isolated view on this one thing or if it is a system of thoughts influencing understanding of half of the Bible, the salvation work, of God and His nature etc.
 
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Are you guys trying to acuse me of not believing in the Godhead now?
 
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So, in other words - extrabiblical inspiration!!!!!!!!
Somehow physics explained more about God than the Bible itself, amazing!!!!
Do you even know what a quantum state is lol?
It's a condition where a light bulb is both ON and OFF at the same time.
It's a conditon where ONE GOD is The Father and The Son at the same time.

So know I would like to know which part you are arguing with - God is The Father and Son at the same time or Quantum physics is wrong?
 

graceNpeace

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Do you even know what a quantum state is lol?
It's a condition where a light bulb is both ON and OFF at the same time.
It's a conditon where ONE GOD is The Father and The Son at the same time.

So know I would like to know which part you are arguing with - God is The Father and Son at the same time or Quantum physics is wrong?
Your theology.
 
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The Unitarian belief regarding the Godhead is, I agree, not doctrinally sound. I am not certain that it is necessarily a Salvation issue. If it is not [and I am not certain it is not] God will correct him when he is called home. If He trusts Jesus alone for his Salvation that is certainly enough. Scripture never makes a case that a correct understanding of the Godhead is a requirement for Salvation, that I am aware of.
I don't know what a Unitarian is, but here is what I am. I believe there is only one God expressed in three persons - The Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost. The Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Ghost is God... does that make me a Trinitarian?