KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

[Dino246]

Daniel 12:1 indicates end-time trouble that will be worse than any that has gone before.

Daniel 12 King James Version (KJV)12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: andthere shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

I argue that the Authorized Holy Bible is the book.

And note that the prophecy predicts that the book will exist and be available at the time of the end.

I am certain that your name is not written in the KJV. The book referenced in Daniel 12 is the Lamb's book of life:

Philippians 4:3And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:27
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Revelation 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[Joseppi]

Yes I'm saved, I was saved 23 years ago with no bible whatsoever, I was an atheist. I was at a preachers house working on his freezer and he started witnessing to me and the next thing I knew I was down on my knees crying and accepting Christ as my savior. Basically all I did was call upon the name of the Lord and he saved me. I certainly didn't know jack about the incorruptible word of God.

I was born again about 8 years ago, after converting to the KJV. I began to read it and the more I read it the more I could see the kingdom of God. And then eventually I entered the promised land.

Nothing you say can change the truth that scripture says you are born again of the incorruptible word of a God.
That you were ignorant of it st the time is not surprising I don’t think, since it begins as a very small seed.

But you just seem unwilling to see certain things and so Ibthinknit best to give you time to grow.

 

[KJV1611]

Nothing you say can change the truth that scripture says you are born again of the incorruptible word of a God.
That you were ignorant of it st the time is not surprising I don’t think, since it begins as a very small seed.

But you just seem unwilling to see certain things and so Ibthinknit best to give you time to grow.

I really would believe you if you could back it up with RELEVANT bible verses. I'm not above being corrected, in fact I want to be corrected if I'm wrong. I have been corrected on this forum before.

 

[John146]

Nothing you say can change the truth that scripture says you are born again of the incorruptible word of a God.
That you were ignorant of it st the time is not surprising I don’t think, since it begins as a very small seed.

But you just seem unwilling to see certain things and so Ibthinknit best to give you time to grow.

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Redeemed by the blood of Christ.
Born again of incorruptible, by the word of God.

Question: Is incorruptible pointing to the precious blood of Christ or the word of God? Both?

Is the incorruptible the precious blood of Christ, the gospel, which is found written in the word of God?

 

[Joseppi]

Ok then maybe you could explain the breaking the yoke thing and how that happens some time in the future.

The yoke upon the nation of Israel at the time of Jacob’s trouble is the physical yoke placed upon them by the antichrist who confirms the covenant of Moses with them at the time of the end.
Which yoke corresponds contrary to the yoke Jesus wears.
The remnant in prophecy refers to the nation of Israel calling on Christ Jesus to come and save them as a nation from the hand of the antichrist.

 

[MarcR]

The NIV and the KJV do not agree with one another, thus, both cannot be the written, preserved word of God.

If you have two translations of anything: whether a book or a speech, whether secular or sacred; you will never have and should not look for word for word correspondence. All the translations, that were not motivated by a cult trying to conform God's word to its own interpretation, are much more remarkable for their agreement than their differences.

I have posted the preface to the KJV on another thread; and it is clear that the translators, themselves, did NOT agree with your ideas of special inspiration, and in fact clearly agreed with those of us who oppose it..

 

[KJV1611]

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Redeemed by the blood of Christ.
Born again of incorruptible, by the word of God.

Question: Is incorruptible pointing to the precious blood of Christ or the word of God? Both?

Is the incorruptible the precious blood of Christ, the gospel, which is found written in the word of God?

Corruptible and incorruptible are adjectives describing the "unpure" word of God and the pure word of God. The verse as read without the adjective that describe the subject is "being born again by the word of God".

 

[MarcR]

The Holy Bible says no such thing.

The Holy Bible does NOT anticipate King James' authorization! The authorization itself says so!

 

[KJV1611]

The yoke upon the nation of Israel at the time of Jacob’s trouble is the physical yoke placed upon them by the antichrist who confirms the covenant of Moses with them at the time of the end.
Which yoke corresponds contrary to the yoke Jesus wears.
The remnant in prophecy refers to the nation of Israel calling on Christ Jesus to come and save them as a nation from the hand of the antichrist.

So you're saying Esau represents the Antichrist? I can see Esau representing flesh Israel all over the bible but I haven't seen Esau being equated to the Antichrist... I'm not saying you're wrong but where is that equation found in the bible?

 

[Joseppi]

I am certain that your name is not written in the KJV. The book referenced in Daniel 12 is the Lamb's book of life:

Daniel 12:4 and Daniel 12 :9 don’t refer to the book of life as Daniel 12:1 does.

 

[Joseppi]

I really would believe you if you could back it up with RELEVANT bible verses. I'm not above being corrected, in fact I want to be corrected if I'm wrong. I have been corrected on this forum before.

I don’t believe you are being sincere.
You do seem to be trying to sell me that notion of yourself.
Because handling scripture rightly is not what I have observed you doing.

 

[MarcR]

By the way where did you get "if your right hand causes you to sin"?

Matt 5:30
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
KJV


offend thee σκανδαλίζει cause thee to stumble [entice thee to sin]

 

[KJV1611]

I don’t believe you are being sincere.
You do seem to be trying to sell me that notion of yourself.
Because handling scripture rightly is not what I have observed you doing.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

 

[MarcR]

Jesus is the RIGHT HAND of GOD.
He was a Rock of OFFENCE (that means he offended people).
He was CUT OFF ( crucified).
His death saved the body of believers from hell.

And what is your reason for saying those verses aren't about Jesus the RIGHT HAND of God?
And how does cutting your right hand off save you from hell?


Do you think this verse might be a parallel verse?

John 11:50 King James Version (KJV)

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man (God's RIght Hand) should die for the people (body of believers), and that the whole nation perish not (go to hell).

Very inventive!

Jesus is the RIGHT HAND of GOD. Jesus is the SON of God. EVERY mention of the right hand of God in the KJV refers to Jesus' location, NOT His person!

He was a Rock of OFFENCE (that means he offended people) Actually it does NOT. It means that that He caused people to stumble. Moses was not allowed to enter the Promised Land because he struck the Rock twice when the second time he was told to speak to the Rock.

People were not able to accept Jesus because they expected a conquering King when they were promised a suffering Servant.

 

[KJV1611]

Matt 5:30
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
KJV


offend thee σκανδαλίζει cause thee to stumble [entice thee to sin]

You know that I don't know anything about Greek but I have to ask why should it be "entice thee to sin" when it's the same Greek word that's used in these verses?

Mat 11:6

And blessed is he, whosoever shall G4624 not be offended G4624 in me.

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Mat 13:21

Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. G4624

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Mat 13:57

And they were offended G4624 in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

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Mat 15:12

Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, G4624 after they heard this saying?

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Mat 17:27

Notwithstanding, lest we should offend G4624 them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

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Mat 18:6

But whoso shall offend G4624 one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

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Mat 18:8

Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, G4624 cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

 

[KJV1611]

Very inventive!

Jesus is the RIGHT HAND of GOD. Jesus is the SON of God. EVERY mention of the right hand of God in the KJV refers to Jesus' location, NOT His person!

He was a Rock of OFFENCE (that means he offended people) Actually it does NOT. It means that that He caused people to stumble. Moses was not allowed to enter the Promised Land because he struck the Rock twice when the second time he was told to speak to the Rock.

People were not able to accept Jesus because they expected a conquering King when they were promised a suffering Servant.

Psalms 17:7 Shew thy marvellous lovingkindness, O thou that savest by thy right hand them which put their trust in thee from those that rise up against them.

Psalms 17:7 Shew thy marvellous lovingkindness, O thou that savest by thy righthand them which put their trust in thee from those that rise up against them

Psalms 20:6 Now know I that the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] saveth his anointed; he will hear him from his holy heaven with the saving strength of his righthand.

Psalms 60:5 That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me

If that right hand that saves isn't Jesus then what is it, his literal right hand?

 

[KJV1611]

Very inventive!

Jesus is the RIGHT HAND of GOD. Jesus is the SON of God. EVERY mention of the right hand of God in the KJV refers to Jesus' location, NOT His person!

He was a Rock of OFFENCE (that means he offended people) Actually it does NOT. It means that that He caused people to stumble. Moses was not allowed to enter the Promised Land because he struck the Rock twice when the second time he was told to speak to the Rock.

People were not able to accept Jesus because they expected a conquering King when they were promised a suffering Servant.

Matthew 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like Jesus offended people, not because he didn't come as a conquering king but because they didn't like the words coming out of his mouth.

Matthew 15:12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?

And again, not that he wasn't a conquering king, no no no, it was because the words coming out of his mouth were offensive. How is it that you can not see that Jesus himself offended the religious folks.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

You haven’t got saved.
And you can’t be saved apart from the incorruptible word of God.

You really are way out of line to tell a man who confesses faith in Jesus that he isn't saved.

You are not reading carefully.

But I am not interested in walking you through things you should be doing on your own.

So you expect to be taken seriously with THAT attitude? You must be a comedy routine!

Thus it behooves is to study scripture unto salvation.

I cannot believe you wrote that. A comedy routine deffo!

 

[MarcR]

I did compare to the NASB and although the text agrees with the KJV, the footnote changes it to "that he might see".

John 8:56 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced [a]to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
Footnotes:

1. John 8:56 Lit in order that he might see

The Greek text uses hina ido which indeed can mean in order that he might see; but in context 'because he would see' or simply to see' is better.

 

[KJV1611]

The Greek text uses hina ido which indeed can mean in order that he might see; but in context 'because he would see' or simply to see' is better.

Can mean? Which meaning did God intend? That's the only thing that matters and it's not possible to get that meaning unless God inspired the translator to translate it God's intended way.

If words have multiple meanings and translators chose the meaning they want, then we don't even come close to having the inerrant word of God. Even if the translator footnotes the alternate meaning then the reader has to determine which version God intened.

How can anybody expect to come to the truth like that? If this were any book other than the bible people would laugh at that method of coming to truth.