Can A Preacher Be Saved, And Yet Preach Heresy?

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eternally-gratefull

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Thomas had doubts. Peter fell into the ocean because he took his eyes of the Christ.

Anyone who says they have never had doubts, is being a bit untruthful.

Amen sister. Even when we are faithless. He is faithful,. He can not deny himself.
 
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The above is for Budman.

Would someone mind posting the image for me please.

For some reason my iPad seems to have stopped doing it even though I post the link in the above box.
No idea what happened there. It posted as you just quoting Bud. Very weird, because nothing = less than ten characters.
 
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Hmmm, I guess the Not Works thread wasn't enough, so let's keep the argument going on a thread not about grace v works.

#onetrickpony
 

BillG

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You must not have looked very far, there are many testimonies of people falling away and being brought back to grace. You will of course not accept this since you believe this is not possible. Therefore your statement is pointless.
By falling away do you mean?
 

BillG

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Hmmm, I guess the Not Works thread wasn't enough, so let's keep the argument going on a thread not about grace v works.

#onetrickpony
It tends to sneak in other threads as well.
 

DJ2

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He still had his fathers blood. Legally, he was still his fathers child. Then never stopped

He was lost. But being lost, He still was his fathers son, I was lost for 5 years. Yet I still was Gods child

I would not expect you to understand blood ties/. Or father son relationships. SInce you think a fathers love must be earned, not freely given
A lost son is still lost, a dead son is still dead. What is your point, if any?

Acts 10:34-35 English Standard Version (ESV)

34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him


Blood lines be damned.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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A lost son is still lost, a dead son is still dead. What is your point, if any?

Acts 10:34-35 English Standard Version (ESV)

34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him


Blood lines be damned.

Yep. And you just proved my point.

You do not trust Christ, You trust yourself. The Bible states from beginning to end that blood is what atones. Yet you say blood means nothing. What we do does.


end of discussion.
 

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Yep. And you just proved my point.

You do not trust Christ, You trust yourself. The Bible states from beginning to end that blood is what atones. Yet you say blood means nothing. What we do does.

end of discussion.
"...you say blood means nothing..." But that is NOT what he said. He said blood lines mean nothing. Huge difference.
 

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Yep. And you just proved my point.

You do not trust Christ, You trust yourself. The Bible states from beginning to end that blood is what atones. Yet you say blood means nothing. What we do does.


end of discussion.
It seems you don't read the posts or don't care what is written. You just twist what others write or go off into another tangent.

Yet you say blood means nothing.
The atoning blood of Jesus is the cornerstone principle of salvation. I never have nor ever would write such a thing as you are accusing me of above. You are rather quick to call others liars yet are more than willing to partake in it yourself.

When a person begins to make clearly absurd accusations, it is usually a sign of the accusers inability to grasp the weakness of their own defense.
 
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It seems you don't read the posts or don't care what is written. You just twist what others write or go off into another tangent.



The atoning blood of Jesus is the cornerstone principle of salvation. I never have nor ever would write such a thing as you are accusing me of above. You are rather quick to call others liars yet are more than willing to partake in it yourself.

When a person begins to make clearly absurd accusations, it is usually a sign of the accusers inability to grasp the weakness of their own defense.

And you just made my point for me, The atoning blood of jesus is the cornerstone of salvation. His blood purchased my salvation. What has been done can not be broken.


As I said, Satans blood did nto buy m4e my death, Hesyus blood purchased my life.

I have a promise, as long as jesus lives, I LIVE.

Because I HAVE HIS BLOOD.

So why do you not stop with the nonsense and stop blaming others for your own errors. You have a belief, stick to it.
 
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"...you say blood means nothing..." But that is NOT what he said. He said blood lines mean nothing. Huge difference.
Human blood line does not save you. Jesus blood does.

The symbol still remains. I will always be my fathers son. NOTHING can change that, I have his blood in my Viens.

If you want to preach jesus blood is not enough. Thats on you.
 

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Human blood line does not save you. Jesus blood does.

The symbol still remains. I will always be my fathers son. NOTHING can change that, I have his blood in my Viens.

If you want to preach jesus blood is not enough. Thats on you.
It was you who brought out the parable, it was you who said the son was never lost. Yet the father states that the son was lost and that the son was dead. The parable is about a lost son who returned to his father. What part of this do you not understand? Your comments are getting absurd. The son was not found until he returned of his own will. Refuting OSAS doctrine. There is a reason it is called:

[h=1]Luke 15:11-32 New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]The Parable of the Lost Son[/h]
because he was lost!
 
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It was you who brought out the parable, it was you who said the son was never lost. Yet the father states that the son was lost and that the son was dead. The parable is about a lost son who returned to his father. What part of this do you not understand? Your comments are getting absurd. The son was not found until he returned of his own will. Refuting OSAS doctrine. There is a reason it is called:

Luke 15:11-32 New International Version (NIV)

The Parable of the Lost Son


because he was lost!
lol

it was not me, it was someone else who brought up the subject.

The son was still his fathers son. He had his fathers blood.

He walked away and was on his own, and could not be BLESSED by the father, but he was still his fathers son. It was his brokenness which caused him to remember his father, and why he returned (I had the same experience)

Now. Please stop. You claim you believe your saved by God. Practice what you preach, or stop saying you believe God saved you, and you are trying to save yourself.
 

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Wrong. By making continuance to believe a requirement, you've turned simple faith into a work.
I have been believing for 35 years and it is really quite simple and is not work at all! I just hang on to Jesus and the cross!
 
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In response to blood
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Ephesians 1:2 Grace to you, and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ!3 Blessed [is] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who did bless us in every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
4 according as He did choose us in him before the foundation of the world, for our being holy and unblemished before Him, in love,
5 having foreordained us to the adoption of sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, in which He did make us accepted in the beloved,
7in whom we have the redemption through his blood, the remission of the trespasses, according to the riches of His grace,


[HR][/HR]Hebrew 9: 22 In fact, according to the law of Moses, nearly everything was purified with blood. For without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness.

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Colossians 1:10 to your walking worthily of the Lord to all pleasing, in every good work being fruitful, and increasing to the knowledge of God,

11 in all might being made mighty according to the power of His glory, to all endurance and long-suffering with joy.
12 Giving thanks to the Father who did make us meet for the participation of the inheritance of the saints in the light,
13 who did rescue us out of the authority of the darkness, and did translate [us] into the reign of the Son of His love,
14in whom we have the redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of the sins,[HR][/HR]Acts 10:43 [FONT=&quot]to this one do all the prophets testify, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]that through his name every one that is believing in him doth receive remission of sins[/FONT][FONT=&quot].'[/FONT]
 

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All heresy is just really a contrary opinion. Preaching out of ignorance or incompetence would not affect salvation. Someone that knowingly spreads lies about God and deliberately misleads probably was not saved in the first place.
 
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All heresy is just really a contrary opinion. Preaching out of ignorance or incompetence would not affect salvation. Someone that knowingly spreads lies about God and deliberately misleads probably was not saved in the first place.
Yes over all, that is what heresy is, and is defined in this fashion. The Hebrews, and the Apostles, would thought the same thing.

hairesis: choice, opinion


Original Word: αἵρεσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: hairesis
Phonetic Spelling: (hah'-ee-res-is)
Short Definition: a self-chosen opinion, a sect
Definition: a self-chosen opinion, a religious or philosophical sect, discord or contention.

139 haíresis (a feminine noun derived from 138 /hairéomai, "personally select, choose") – properly, a personal (decisive) choice.
139 /haíresis ("a strong, distinctive opinion") is used in the NT of individual "parties (sects)" that operated within Judaism. The term stresses the personal aspect of choice – and hence how being a Sadducee (Ac 5:17) was sharply distinguished from being a Pharisee (Ac 15:5; 26:5).

1. (from αἱρέω), act of taking, capture: τῆς πόλεως, the storming of a city; in secular authors.
2. (from ἁιρέομαι), choosing, choice,very often in secular writings: the Sept.Leviticus 22:18; 1 Macc. 8:30.
3. that which is chosen, a chosen course of thought and action; hence one's chosen opinion, tenet; according to the context, an opinion varying from the true exposition of the Christian faith (heresy): 2 Peter 2:1 (cf. DeWette at the passage), and in ecclesiastical writings (cf. Sophocles' Lexicon, under the word).
 

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This is not Walmart and God does things on an eternal scale....and life that can be lost or forfeit is not eternal or everlasting....what a sad, hopeless, faithless dogma you espouse.......
This is not Heaven and God quite often does things on a temporal scale....and life certainly can and is lost....what a bogus, uninformed, ignorant dogma you proclaim........
 

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This is not Heaven and God quite often does things on a temporal scale....and life certainly can and is lost....what a bogus, uninformed, ignorant dogma you proclaim........
Other than that dcon is pretty cool guy, huh?