WHAT MAKES MAN ONE OF GOD?

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God immediately after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit said that the man has now become one of them knowing good and evil.

Man was created to know only what is good when he was created and God refuses to let them know evil. To me, that tree was the tree of the knowledge of evil. After all Adam already know what was good.

My question is, how bad is the knowledge of evil to man
 
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hastrup said:
God immediately after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit said that the man has now become one of them knowing good and evil.

Man was created to know only what is good when he was created and God refuses to let them know evil. To me, that tree was the tree of the knowledge of evil. After all Adam already know what was good.

My question is, how bad is the knowledge of evil to man
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I believe your view is in error because you have not read carefully enough. The forbidden fruit was from "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil", not, "the tree of the knowledge of evil". You can't skip half the relevant information and expect to interpret the passage correctly. The rest of your middle paragraph is speculation not soundly based on Scripture, and your question is based on this incorrect interpretation.
 
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It says that Adam, interestingly not Eve, has become 'like' one of (the) us.

The key to this is what Adam does immediately before God makes this declaration, and recognising why He says it aloud ((who is listening?))
 
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Dino246 said:
I believe your view is in error because you have not read carefully enough. The forbidden fruit was from "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil", not, "the tree of the knowledge of evil". You can't skip half the relevant information and expect to interpret the passage correctly. The rest of your middle paragraph is speculation not soundly based on Scripture, and your question is based on this incorrect interpretation.
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Adam knew no evil when he was created and God Himself attested to it that all what He had created are all good.

God knew evil and good but Adam knew no evil at creation. God planted a tree of both good and evil In the middle of the garden of Eden to give Adam a choice of knowing what evil is but not after He warned him of the consequences of acquiring the knowledge of evil.

The knowledge of evil is the only thing that have stand against Adam from being in the full likeness of God. The very Moment Adam has that knowledge, God confirmed that the man is now perfectly like one of them.
 
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hastrup said:
God immediately after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit said that the man has now become one of them knowing good and evil.

Man was created to know only what is good when he was created and God refuses to let them know evil. To me, that tree was the tree of the knowledge of evil. After all Adam already know what was good.

My question is, how bad is the knowledge of evil to man
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the man has now become one of them This is NOT correct!

Gen 3:21-22

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
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The words good and evil are an idiom meaning all things.

God has absolute omniscience. By eating the forbidden fruit, mankind has gained a limited unfolding omniscience.

God is saying that in a sense man has become like Him able to know or learn all things.
 
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MarcR said:
the man has now become one of them This is NOT correct!

Gen 3:21-22

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
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yes! big difference in become one of vs become "as" one of !!

MarcR said:
The words good and evil are an idiom meaning all things.

God has absolute omniscience. By eating the forbidden fruit, mankind has gained a limited unfolding omniscience.

God is saying that in a sense man has become like Him able to know or learn all things.
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this would apply equally - and firstly - to Eve if what He says "behold!" about was purely an effect of eating the fruit

 
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MarcR said:
the man has now become one of them This is NOT correct!

Gen 3:21-22

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
KJV

The words good and evil are an idiom meaning all things.

God has absolute omniscience. By eating the forbidden fruit, mankind has gained a limited unfolding omniscience.

God is saying that in a sense man has become like Him able to know or learn all things.
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The man as become like one of US, (TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL). Man became like one of them when they know good and evil? Or man is like one of US in knowing good and evil?
 
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Okay, mine is not a pretense-of-teaching. I really don't get it, but after reading what you men have said, I'm getting to maybe-almost stage. (That feeling like it's almost at the tip of your tongue.)

Obviously, Eve and Adam knew how to do evil, or else they couldn't have sinned. Obviously they knew good because... well, God and Eden. So, besides the punishment for eating the wrong fruit, what did happen to them when they ate it? What did they have that we don't?
 
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hastrup said:
The man as become like one of US, (TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL). Man became like one of them when they know good and evil? Or man is like one of US in knowing good and evil?
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In English, when we call somebody a 'wise guy' we are NOT praising his wisdom; but we are criticizing his lack of respect.

In Hebrew when one speaks of good and evil they are referring to all things. that is just how the language works.

When a translator does not make this clear, it does NOT change how the language works. It does make the translation harder to understand.
 
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MarcR said:
In English, when we call somebody a 'wise guy' we are NOT praising his wisdom; but we are criticizing his lack of respect.

In Hebrew when one speaks of good and evil they are referring to all things. that is just how the language works.

When a translator does not make this clear, it does NOT change how the language works. It does make the translation harder to understand.
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Every translation I have looked at has elected not to translate this idiomatically. However if we look at the implications of a literal interpretation they are untenable! If we take good and evil literally we find God giving a commandment while withholding the ability to distinguish right from wrong. If nothing else this is out of character with God!
 
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hastrup said:
My question is, how bad is the knowledge of evil to man
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There are two kinds of knowledge. That which is known by the mind ("head knowledge") and that which is known experientially -- via experience. As soon as Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they experienced what it meant to sin against God. They clearly violated His commandment. And this experiential knowledge opened the Pandora's Box of all the sins and evils that now exist. So it should be clear from this that their experiential knowledge of sin was DISASTROUS. Not only did it corrupt their souls and destroy their spirits, but it brought a curse upon the whole creation and all humanity. Furthermore it required the offering up of Christ as the Lamb of God to take away the sin of the world. And His sufferings in that sacrifice cannot be imagined or described. We get a glimpse in Isaiah 53 and some of the Psalms.
 
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